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Ax - I know you like to do the whole stream-of-consciousness outpouring of everything you ever read on the internet at the slightest mention of 9/11.... Niagara falls slowly I turn. 😀

But tiny baby steps for a moment. Flight 93 crashed into the Shanksville, PA field. I've been there. The black boxes were recovered. You are wrong.

My memory isnt as sharp as 9/11 hasnt been my primary thought in my head as it was over a decade ago. I think they did find the PA and Pentagon ones, but claimed damaged beyond recovery, or maybe they grabbed some data from it. I quickly found a transcript of the PA one on Google but my curiosity is if it was shot out of the air or not, or bombed as that plane was totally obliterated and not a typicall plane crash.

There was a 9/11 EMT whistleblower who found one of the blackboxes in NYC rubble, but they threatened him and didnt talk about it for years.

Personally I believed they have all 3 PA and NYC blackboxes, and the Pentagon ones are made up. Its fair to avoid absolute conclusions on some of the stuff I talk about, I mean I have no idea exactly what happened on 9/11, but government has no credibility whatsoever, thats like believing Clinton's denial of his blowjob stories.

On another note, its getting harder by the year for me to find old research material and DD using search engines. It gets a little annoying and why you may see doing more ranting than posting evidence.
 
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“Can we ever really know?” - I think you missed my point. Using a truther’s burden of proof, it’s impossible to know anything with certainty. But we don’t go around all day in disbelief of everything we see and touch and hear and read.
I assumed all of the cars I saw on the road this morning on my way to my office were real - not that some of them might have been holographic projections. But do I really know that?

ax1 makes a classic truther erroneous set-up where he states as fact that the airplanes’ black boxes are “indestructible”. This, of course, is not true, but it is stated as fact as are so many other truther premises.

I don’t believe that Islamic terrorists hijacked four commercial airplanes and flew three of them into buildings and the buildings collapsed due to those actions because the government told me that’s what happened. I believe that Islamic terrorists hijacked four commercial airplanes and flew three of them into buildings and the buildings collapsed due to those actions because that is where the preponderance of actual facts and evidence leads.
 
I believe that Islamic terrorists hijacked four commercial airplanes and flew three of them into buildings and the buildings collapsed due to those actions because that is where the preponderance of actual facts and evidence leads.

But Islamic terrorist flew planes into two building in NYC, yet 3 WTC buildings collapsed on that day. And all the facts how building 7 went down on a controlled demolition, the only steel structure building to free fall beam to beam without resistance due to "fires" in which NIST also claimed they didnt even bother to test for explosives. The least likely cause "due to fires' confirmed by government, yet the most likely caused not even investigated. At least not "investigated" by government, but thousands of scientists, architects and engineers did do their research and they confirmed controlled demolition.
 
ax1 makes a classic truther erroneous set-up where he states as fact that the airplanes’ black boxes are “indestructible”. This, of course, is not true, but it is stated as fact as are so many other truther premises.

You have to follow the facts of the science, those black boxes are jet fuel proof, yet they vaporized into thin air. Yet, a paper passport flew threw the fireball and landed on the rubble.

The black boxes can be damaged, the the governments reports that they couldnt find them is completely impossible although other artificially manifested elements certainly could have taken place, as after all impossible molten rivers of metal were flowing at the site.

Black boxes are tested to withstand
Crash survivability - 3400G's impact for 6.5 milliseconds.
Crush test - 5000lbs at all sides for 5 minutes.
Pierce test - 500lb hardened steel pin dropped from 10 feet.
Fire test - 2000F degrees for 1 hour, 500F degrees for 10 hrs.
Water immersion - 20,000 feet deep.
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I believe that Islamic terrorists hijacked four commercial airplanes and flew three of them into buildings and the buildings collapsed due to those actions because that is where the preponderance of actual facts and evidence leads.

You mean hairy uneducated pre-historic cavemen who were CIA created Al-Ciaeda members that were under FBI watch and prevented from further investigation that learned to fly paper airplanes, not land them yet due maneuvers into the Pentagon that not even Maverick can pull off?
 
I assumed all of the cars I saw on the road this morning on my way to my office were real - not that some of them might have been holographic projections. But do I really know that?

With the cars you saw on the road this morning on the way to your office, which you thought were real, you were actually there.

Im assuming you weren't there in NYC on 9/11 witnessing first hand what had happened, but rather have the TV tube tell you what happened.

One you experienced first hand, the other more than likely your told the official narrative via a 3rd party.
 
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Ax- constructive criticism....

When you send a barrage of multiple posts to a single message, you lose the traditional give and take of human communication.... to whatever degree an internet forum might allow.

Sending waves of streaming thought is kind of like shouting over the other guy with fingers in your ears yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA".


FWIW....

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Ax- constructive criticism....

When you send a barrage of multiple posts to a single message, you lose the traditional give and take of human communication.... to whatever degree an internet forum might allow.

Sending waves of streaming thought is kind of like shouting over the other guy with fingers in your ears yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA".


FWIW....

:geek:

Who said I was human?
 
Ax- constructive criticism....

When you send a barrage of multiple posts to a single message, you lose the traditional give and take of human communication.... to whatever degree an internet forum might allow.

Sending waves of streaming thought is kind of like shouting over the other guy with fingers in your ears yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA".


FWIW....

:geek:

Ok I had to do it....lol

On the other hand, you write entire magazine articles on here, I usually have to brew an extra cup of coffee and get a note pad ready. Id prefer you break up your thoughts and spread them out a little. Addressing magazine articles on a forum is rather difficult.

Actually, do your thing what makes you best, just stating people have different preferences on here.....my thoughts are random and all over the place, but I do think alot.....if you havent noticed, I edit my content on here constantly as well (this is an edit add on for example, I do this more so in political forum that stock forum.) Its just the way I am. In school I was always smart enough to pass my classes but tried to wing it as well and not be as refined, have sloppy hand writing and bad proofreader, something I need to get better at as I get older.
 
AX1, why did AA77 and UA93 have black boxes but AA11 and UA175 did not have black boxes. Did "they" forget to take the boxes out of AA77 and UA93? Why didn't "they" just produce black boxes from flights AA11 and UA175 out of the ruble, with the information they wanted released? Surely to do that would have been the easiest part of the conspiracy.
 
AX1, why did AA77 and UA93 have black boxes but AA11 and UA175 did not have black boxes. Did "they" forget to take the boxes out of AA77 and UA93? Why didn't "they" just produce black boxes from flights AA11 and UA175 out of the ruble, with the information they wanted released? Surely to do that would have been the easiest part of the conspiracy.

I dunno really know, alot of questions are going to be harder to theorize the answers but if we stick to the science we know that black boxes from NYC do exist, they could not have disappeared. hey were likely recovered (first responder open witness to one of them who first found it then the government threatened him) and they are hiding it from the public.
 
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Im still not into the CGI theory, but having re-enforced military jumbo jets is more plausible, another theory is they gassed the passangers through the vents and took over the jets via remote control/drone route. I really dont know though, those are less obvious unlike the obvious common sense stuff such as wtc7 being completely a controlled demolition for example.

Do remember, there were 4 indestructable black boxes that totally vaporized from existence that day. No traces of them. Gone, including the one plane that supposedly "crashed" onto a field by people using cell phones in the middle of nowhere calling their families in the sky in 2001, an era where having payphones were still useful. But they want you to also believe somehow in NYC, one of the hijacker's paper passport magically flew threw the massive explosion and landed on the rubble in great shape, yet 4 indistructable black boxes totally vaporized.....but they still found fingernail fragments in the rubble to identify victims??? LMFAO!!! Ill believe the toothfairy is real before I believe the government's account of what happened on 9/11!

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The black boxes are definitely not indestructible lol where did you hear that?!?!

They're not designed to be flown into a building at hundreds of miles per hour in a fuel laden jet. They're designed to withstand typical flight crashes, but in some cases (like the one attached of Germanwings flight in 2015 that crashed into a mountainside), they're almost unrecognizable.

Data recorders not surviving or not being found after significant crashes is not uncommon
 

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The black boxes are definitely not indestructible lol where did you hear that?!?!

Well, everything is destructible, but they were designed to be that way for plane crashes and beyond maximal jet fuel heat as well as top speed impact.

But if a hijackers passport can fly through the fireball and land on the rubble in great shape, so can a black box lol.
 
The black boxes are definitely not indestructible lol where did you hear that?!?!

Where the hell have you been btw? I was worried your neighbor caught covid and they tossed you in a concentration camp there in NZ.
 
Well, everything is destructible, but they were designed to be that way for plane crashes and beyond maximal jet fuel heat as well as top speed impact.

But if a hijackers passport can fly through the fireball and land on the rubble in great shape, so can a black box lol.

I get that, but I'd much sooner buy the fact the passport was planted post crash than all data recorders are indestructible lol
 
I get that, but I'd much sooner buy the fact the passport was planted post crash than all data recorders are indestructible lol

There you go, you have just earned your first official tin foil hat, where do I send it? LOL

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I dunno really know, alot of questions are going to be harder to theorize the answers but if we stick to the science we know that black boxes from NYC do exist, they could not have disappeared. hey were likely recovered (first responder open witness to one of them who first found it then the government threatened him) and they are hiding it from the public.

What science says they do exist?
 
Where the hell have you been btw? I was worried your neighbor caught covid and they tossed you in a concentration camp there in NZ.

Haha not like that at all. Rules are pretty lax here now
 
What science says they do exist?

Science says they couldnt have vaporized into thin air. Its scientifically impossible with the "official" elements that were used on 9/11.

So the options here are
1. The mechanics at Walmart forgot to install the blackboxes
2. They werent commercial airliners, but rather fortified military airliners sent for an operation
3. The blackboxes were found (we have a documented witness who came out) and the government confiscated them.
4. Some technology or other materials used at the WTC site that actually did vaporize them, well actually had them molten as evidenced with flowing channels of molten steel as the NYFD described as lava....Jet fuel would not create these conditions.

Personally, Im very confident (no reason to conclude on this stuff, what do I know?) that the government confiscated them after they were discovered by ground zero crew while searching for survivors.

And Im not with the "hologram" crowd for the record, being that this has been discussed in here recently.
 
Science says they couldnt have vaporized into thin air. Its scientifically impossible with the "official" elements that were used on 9/11.

So the options here are
1. The mechanics at Walmart forgot to install the blackboxes
2. They werent commercial airliners, but rather fortified military airliners sent for an operation
3. The blackboxes were found (we have a documented witness who came out) and the government confiscated them.
4. Some technology or other materials used at the WTC site that actually did vaporize them, well actually had them molten as evidenced with flowing channels of molten steel as the NYFD described as lava....Jet fuel would not create these conditions.

Personally, Im very confident (no reason to conclude on this stuff, what do I know?) that the government confiscated them after they were discovered by ground zero crew while searching for survivors.

And Im not with the "hologram" crowd for the record, being that this has been discussed in here recently.

Several black boxes have never been recovered post crash. 9/11 certainly wasn't the first.

I feel like you have no appreciation for the forces involved in such a crash. Heck, you can look up car crashes at under 200kph (or racing crashes) and see vehicles almost vaporise at those speeds.

This was 2 fully fuel laden planes, weighing something like 100,000kg travelling at nearly 800km/hr into 2 immovable objects. That's an insane amount of force that would vaporise pretty much anything.

A black box is designed to withstand 3,400G's of force, that is an impact of around 300mph. The planes were travelling at near 500mph.

So tell me how it's "scientifically" impossible they were destroyed?
 
I would say it's just hyperbole... but the conspiracy crowd takes it quite literally as a foundational aspect of their beliefs.

Aside from the impact of the crash, the Tower black boxes would have had to survive being crushed by 250,000 tons of building mass.
 
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Nah, Australia did!


New Zealand and Australia having an uptick in recent covid numbers/deaths.

I wonder if this is inevitable for countries that effectively locked down from earlier waves. If covid is never going away, will it eventually hit everywhere and everyone the same way??
 
Several black boxes have never been recovered post crash. 9/11 certainly wasn't the first.

I feel like you have no appreciation for the forces involved in such a crash. Heck, you can look up car crashes at under 200kph (or racing crashes) and see vehicles almost vaporise at those speeds.

This was 2 fully fuel laden planes, weighing something like 100,000kg travelling at nearly 800km/hr into 2 immovable objects. That's an insane amount of force that would vaporise pretty much anything.

A black box is designed to withstand 3,400G's of force, that is an impact of around 300mph. The planes were travelling at near 500mph.

So tell me how it's "scientifically" impossible they were destroyed?

How do you come up with that math? I just watched top gun and Gforce is created with acceleration, Maverick was the first man to ever experience 10g's.

On take off a typical Jumbo jet your getting 1-1.5g's, so I read. Thats on takeoff, its caused by acceleration.

Blackboxes were well certainly designed to withstand well beyond maximal flights of the planes they were designed to be installed on and can well tolerate maximal jet fuel heat.

But Im open here, help me understand G-Force. Im guessing we have to measure impact and deceleration. But either way, last I remember ground crew did discover at least one black box, possibly 3 out of the 4 and they were threatened by government to shut up, one of the people that found it was a well documented 9/11 first responded. So I have little doubt the blackboxes vanished, although I have to leave that 1% possibility in case it was a lie, but science so far shows the blackboxes should be fine until I understand gforce on impact better.
 
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New Zealand and Australia having an uptick in recent covid numbers/deaths.

I wonder if this is inevitable for countries that effectively locked down from earlier waves. If covid is never going away, will it eventually hit everywhere and everyone the same way??

My family is finally out of quaranteed in Shanghai after 2 months....that shyt was nuts, I doubt they solved anything.
 
So impact get get the g'force up, with deceleration.

This plane crashed at an impact of 35g's and all the people survived. Anyways not sure how relevant that is to black boxes and the 9/11 crash, but later I gotta see if I can find more info on the potential gforce generated on the 9/11 crash and how that related to the blackboxes. The building was a soft target and the planes exploded (blackboxes can hold that flame) so probably not the same potential as crashing directly into a mountain.

We can probably make this easy and just have the government tell us what the data said in the black boxes they confiscated lol

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If this armed man had actually succeeded... would the Supreme Court "leaker" and the media who doxxed the Kavanaugh address then be accessories to murder??

Of course not, they will laugh behind closed doors.

On another note, can we finally put liberals in the DSR and take away their gun rights with Red Flag Laws?
 
Science says they couldnt have vaporized into thin air. Its scientifically impossible with the "official" elements that were used on 9/11.

So the options here are
1. The mechanics at Walmart forgot to install the blackboxes
There's nothing quite as funny as 9/11 humor, right? lol!
2. They werent commercial airliners, but rather fortified military airliners sent for an operation
"They" didn't fortify the Pentagon and Shanksville planes, though? Or "they" did, but just forgot to remove those black boxes? And what to make of the two commercial airliners which boarded passengers, left the gate, then took off from Boston and tracked all the way to Manhattan?
3. The blackboxes were found (we have a documented witness who came out) and the government confiscated them.
Why would military fortified aircraft have black boxes which "they" didn't want found?
I remember hearing about the guy who claimed to have found the black boxes. He actually claimed to find 3 (!) out of the 4. Right...

4. Some technology or other materials used at the WTC site that actually did vaporize them, well actually had them molten as evidenced with flowing channels of molten steel as the NYFD described as lava....Jet fuel would not create these conditions.
Are you trying to say "thermite" or "nanothermite"? Thermite doesn't burn long enough to be molten days after ignition. Humans have been melting metal for millennia without the aid of thermite. The energy of the collapse along with all the combustibles and oxygen is all that was needed to create that condition. No thermite necessary.

And Im not with the "hologram" crowd for the record, being that this has been discussed in here recently.

You're not with those hologram crowd - you're with the thermite, one guy found 3 black boxes crowd.
 
You're not with those hologram crowd - you're with the thermite, one guy found 3 black boxes crowd.

Yes, and thermite is a scientific fact. How and where they used it, well just like any investigation we can only theorize it, but we do know as fact NIST the number one official government agency officially declared they never checked for explosives. When you have the most likely theory as to why building 7 collapsed and the agency doesnt even bother to check (at least they dont admit it9) we have serious problems. Even if you for absolute certain claim government wasnt involved with the explosions, you at least would inspect for that, its common sense,, there may have been more on the ground terrorists on the scene that day or planting them in the weeks prior.

I dont quite get the hologram stuff at all. I think something really did the towers and in one way or another they were jumbo jets.
 
You're not with those hologram crowd - you're with the thermite, one guy found 3 black boxes crowd.

Science says they couldnt have vaporized into thin air. Its scientifically impossible with the "official" elements that were used on 9/11.

So the options here are
1. The mechanics at Walmart forgot to install the blackboxes
There's nothing quite as funny as 9/11 humor, right? lol!
:)

2. They werent commercial airliners, but rather fortified military airliners sent for an operation
"They" didn't fortify the Pentagon and Shanksville planes, though? Or "they" did, but just forgot to remove those black boxes? And what to make of the two commercial airliners which boarded passengers, left the gate, then took off from Boston and tracked all the way to Manhattan?
Ive always leaned that they were regular jet airliners.....it doesnt mean you couldnt have fortified, or re-routed them, perhaps over PA and blown them up and use fortified military planes but this is just my theory. More than likely they were traditional jumbo jets, but the hijackers did seem to be protected by the government.

3. The blackboxes were found (we have a documented witness who came out) and the government confiscated them.
Why would military fortified aircraft have black boxes which "they" didn't want found?
I remember hearing about the guy who claimed to have found the black boxes. He actually claimed to find 3 (!) out of the 4. Right...

I remember him finding him at least 1 when I used to research this. Some quick googling I ran into they found 3 but I remember seeing in interview but that was a long time ago.

As for military fortified aircraft having blackboxes which werent found....I think my previous leanings answer that questions.

4. Some technology or other materials used at the WTC site that actually did vaporize them, well actually had them molten as evidenced with flowing channels of molten steel as the NYFD described as lava....Jet fuel would not create these conditions.
Are you trying to say "thermite" or "nanothermite"? Thermite doesn't burn long enough to be molten days after ignition. Humans have been melting metal for millennia without the aid of thermite. The energy of the collapse along with all the combustibles and oxygen is all that was needed to create that condition. No thermite necessary.

I meant non-thermite which for certain can molt metal, I remember seeing Architechs and Engineers running demonstrations on how east it is. Construction crew can paint beams with ease, and the Bush family (Marvin Bush) took over security of the WTC site that year but this is just theory that would come with any investigation and Im moving away from the main topic slightly. We have suspects.

The WTC buildings had both explosions all over the place, both by multiple witnesses including first responsers, city agents, and more and you can see it visually as well from multiple angles. Whats more alarming though is Building 7 more than anything which wasnt hit by a plane and the governments account that it fell completely at free fall speed due to fire is completely impossible. Building 7 is our smoking gun.

Just my opinions, some of many to think about.

On another note, back in the 70s there was a video of the builders of WTC and they did design it to take the impact of planes....of course, people dont always get it right but that was in mind since the Empire State Building had been hit by a accidental small plane crash.

The alarming thing is that the controlled demolition of the Seattle Kingdome had less of a seismic impact that the WTC buildings had, those buildings were pulverized and its collapse amoung the countless anomolies always leads many scientists, architects and engineers as to how they were destroyed.....but Ill repeat, Building 7 is our #1 smoking gun.
 
The official NIST questions and answers regarding Building 7, including why it wasn't explosives or thermite,, and how they measured its fall at LESS than free fall speed

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The official NIST questions and answers regarding Building 7, including why it wasn't explosives or thermite,, and how they measured its fall at LESS than free fall speed

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NIST is the government, LMFAO!
 
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The whole entire Architects and Engineers community has spent the past 20 years disproving their bullshyt.

Asking NIST as to what happened on 9/11 is the equivalent of asking the CCP what happened in Wuhan, LMFAO!!!
 
The whole entire Architects and Engineers community has spent the past 20 years disproving their bullshyt.

Asking NIST as to what happened on 9/11 is the equivalent of asking the CCP what happened in Wuhan, LMFAO!!!

You can't say "the whole entire Architects and Engineers community" when I am an Architectural Engineer and everyone I graduated from Penn State with is an Architectural Engineer and none of them have ever promoted these dopey conspiracy theories.

That is the same kind of hyperbole used when you said black boxes were indestructible or that these theories were scientific fact.

There are over 2 million architects and engineers in the US alone, and if only 3000 are in this crackpot 911 group you reference, that is a laughably small minority.

Playing loose and fast with words and exaggerated claims is what leads the ill-informed to such outlandish conclusions.

But please, carry on..... :ROFLMAO:
 
New Zealand and Australia having an uptick in recent covid numbers/deaths.

I wonder if this is inevitable for countries that effectively locked down from earlier waves. If covid is never going away, will it eventually hit everywhere and everyone the same way??

Definitely. We waited until there was a vaccine and the majority were vaxxed before opening, but it was always inevitable that we would open up with COVID in the community.

Other countries decided to open before a vaccine and we decided to wait until after.

Case fatality r ate of 0.1% (1200 deaths out of 1,200,000M cases) vs the US's case fatality rate of 1.2% (over 1M deaths out of 82M cases so at present we have 100x fewer deaths per reported case.

But let's also be clear on my stance: mandates are **** and I do not support them
 
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You can't say "the whole entire Architects and Engineers community" when I am an Architectural Engineer and everyone I graduated from Penn State with is an Architectural Engineer and none of them have ever promoted these dopey conspiracy theories.

That is the same kind of hyperbole used when you said black boxes were indestructible or that these theories were scientific fact.

There are over 2 million architects and engineers in the US alone, and if only 3000 are in this crackpot 911 group you reference, that is a laughably small minority.

Playing loose and fast with words and exaggerated claims is what leads the ill-informed to such outlandish conclusions.

But please, carry on..... :ROFLMAO:

I’m willing to bet most of those 2 million architects and engineers in the USA are totally oblivious and unaware of the building 7 collapse.
 
Definitely. We waited until there was a vaccine and the majority were vaxxed before opening, but it was always inevitable that we would open up with COVID in the community.

Other countries decided to open before a vaccine and we decided to wait until after.

Case fatality rate of 0.1% (1200 deaths out of 1,200,000M cases) vs the US's case fatality rate of 1.2%. so at present we have 100x fewer deaths

Are you showing a 10x difference or 100x ???

In total, since the start I agree you guys are doing better.

But looking at the latest weekly numbers for the "current" situation you guys are actually doing worse. At the moment... discounting prior events.

I like to review the latest worldometer data for weekly trends around the globe, and check "deaths in the last 7 days per million population". I happen to think its the best current real-time assessment.

Australia is at 11 deaths/per week/per million pop

New Zealand is at 13

US currently at a 5, which is around our best since this started. At our worst peak we were almost 80!! We spent a lot of time in the 15-30 range.

Keep an eye on that number, it's the best way to measure the now.
 
Are you showing a 10x difference or 100x ???

In total, since the start I agree you guys are doing better.

But looking at the latest weekly numbers for the "current" situation you guys are actually doing worse. At the moment... discounting prior events.

I like to review the latest worldometer data for weekly trends around the globe, and check "deaths in the last 7 days per million population". I happen to think its the best current real-time assessment.

Australia is at 11 deaths/per week/per million pop

New Zealand is at 13

US currently at a 5, which is around our best since this started. At our worst peak we were almost 80!! We spent a lot of time in the 15-30 range.

Keep an eye on that number, it's the best way to measure the now.

10x, good catch I thought I had typed 0.01.

But also just to clarify, I was opposed to the lockdowns although I saw their benefit for stemming COVID. At one point we had eliminated it and reopened everything prior to our second wave. It felt surreal to have zero cases when everyone else was battling high cases. But the mental health toll during the second lockdown is still felt now by many.

So our case fatality rate has been stemmed, but the cost of that in other aspects has been high.
 
10x, good catch I thought I had typed 0.01.

But also just to clarify, I was opposed to the lockdowns although I saw their benefit for stemming COVID. At one point we had eliminated it and reopened everything prior to our second wave. It felt surreal to have zero cases when everyone else was battling high cases. But the mental health toll during the second lockdown is still felt now by many.

There is a school of thought that lockdowns only delayed the inevitable, and future waves will get theockdown crowd just the same. Vaccines fade fast, and are terribly ineffective at preventing people from catching or spreading the virus.

The vaccines appear to help prevent hospitalizations and death to some degree... but even that may be offset by side-effects and illness from the vaccine itself. We shall see. It should be an interesting case study for future generations!!!
 
Are you showing a 10x difference or 100x ???

In total, since the start I agree you guys are doing better.

But looking at the latest weekly numbers for the "current" situation you guys are actually doing worse. At the moment... discounting prior events.

I like to review the latest worldometer data for weekly trends around the globe, and check "deaths in the last 7 days per million population". I happen to think its the best current real-time assessment.

Australia is at 11 deaths/per week/per million pop

New Zealand is at 13

US currently at a 5, which is around our best since this started. At our worst peak we were almost 80!! We spent a lot of time in the 15-30 range.

Keep an eye on that number, it's the best way to measure the now.

10x, good catch I thought I had typed 0.01.

But also just to clarify, I was opposed to the lockdowns although I saw their benefit for stemming COVID. At one point we had eliminated it and reopened everything prior to our second wave. It felt surreal to have zero cases when everyone else was battling high cases. But the mental health toll during the second lockdown is still felt now by many.
How do you come up with that math? I just watched top gun and Gforce is created with acceleration, Maverick was the first man to ever experience 10g's.

On take off a typical Jumbo jet your getting 1-1.5g's, so I read. Thats on takeoff, its caused by acceleration.

Blackboxes were well certainly designed to withstand well beyond maximal flights of the planes they were designed to be installed on and can well tolerate maximal jet fuel heat.

But Im open here, help me understand G-Force. Im guessing we have to measure impact and deceleration. But either way, last I remember ground crew did discover at least one black box, possibly 3 out of the 4 and they were threatened by government to shut up, one of the people that found it was a well documented 9/11 first responded. So I have little doubt the blackboxes vanished, although I have to leave that 1% possibility in case it was a lie, but science so far shows the blackboxes should be fine until I understand gforce on impact better.

Deceleration is still acceleration. The planes went from 800km/h to zero in a microsecond. The G forces involved in deceleration at that speed are immense.
Max verstappen has survived 51g in a crash, and the highest recorded is 214g.

Acceleration is just a change in velocity over time

When you consider the forces involved, which is f =mass * acceleration (calculates force in N) or use a g force calculator like Invalid Link Removed and you can simulate the forces involved in a crash
 
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