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BamBam54 said:
Ax - Just refuse to comply. No one has to follow an unconstitutional law. Play their game.... ##resist. ##notmypresident
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Heart says yes but brain and bank account size says no lol

Back in 2013-2014 after the "Safe Act" they arrested a decorated Iraq war vet and threw him in the slammer like a piece of terrorist shyt just for having several magazines in his trunk that were considered "high capacity" (anything above 10 rounds) to set an obvious example out of him. His brother had to raise money for him to get a lawyer, it was really fuqqed up. I cant put myself in that position.

Plus Im now in the small minority (less that 1% in NY) that was granted a full carry unrestricted permit via a State Supreme Court Justice and he can take that away from me in a flash if he wanted, so I at least want to be a good example to him personally and respect his judgment in me when I met and talked with him.

Ill be fighting authoritarianism by supporting the industry, involvement with my local club and their activities, elections and give money to peaceful gun groups, thats as much as I can do, but I am active so thats that. Im pissed off for sure but this is just how I feel about things in regards to my limits.
 
98% of the prison population is all males, we should ban males, that would cut crime. Only woman and binaries moving forward please. Start the puberty blockers in the womb. Rock on, Kamala 2024!!! Don’t vote for former first “lady” Michelle, he is really just a tranny and likely to commit a crime.
 
If you guys ever roll through NY and have a bat in your car, be sure to also have a glove and ball with it.
 
So what incentives to people have to get mental help at any level knowing if they do so they rights and liberties may be stripped away from them without proper due process?
 
I think there needs to be a new subcategory recognized for stress and anxiety/depression disorders called BASD- Biden Administration Stress Disorder.

I definitely have it and it’s taking over my life. Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing I can do to get rid of it.
 
Ricky10 said:
I think there needs to be a new subcategory recognized for stress and anxiety/depression disorders called BASD- Biden Administration Stress Disorder.

I definitely have it and it’s taking over my life. Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing I can do to get rid of it.
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maybe if the biden voters start paying for your gas? ? :unsure:
 
Lets keep in mind what it is they consider to be "assault weapons."

House Bill for 1,000% Tax on Assault Weapons to Be Filibuster-Proof: Beyer
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LMFAO! Seriously, I can’t stand Dump’s big government socialist corporate policies but I do call bullshyt when I see it and defend you guys.

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holy chit... a medicare whistle blower just handed somebody the All-cause mortality rates that they have been hiding since
late 2019.

not good. there is an actual 50% rise in ACM since the vacks got rolled out. Medicare stats are the most accurate and complete in detail known to the USA.

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they are trying (and succeeding) to kill us.
 
legit discussion.

I'm starting to believe it was a total and provable hoax. Until now I was a bit skeptical that it could be faked. I had seen one other video that claimed to show CIA operatives wiring a control panel in both towers. that one shook my faith.. this kinda seals it.

thoughts?>

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Cunt of the year award, locally that is. The other one on national level is that pedophile senior who stole his way to the white house.

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xR1pp3Rx said:
legit discussion.

I'm starting to believe it was a total and provable hoax. Until now I was a bit skeptical that it could be faked. I had seen one other video that claimed to show CIA operatives wiring a control panel in both towers. that one shook my faith.. this kinda seals it.

thoughts?>

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The fact that there is a single person out there who still believes that not 1, not 2, but 3 jumbo airliners hit our infrastructure including the Pentagon, probably the worlds most defended place while Dick Cheney was hiding in his bunker knowingly the "plane" was on its way to D.C. getting constant updates on how far out it was while giving stand down orders is absolutely comical to me.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
legit discussion.

I'm starting to believe it was a total and provable hoax. Until now I was a bit skeptical that it could be faked. I had seen one other video that claimed to show CIA operatives wiring a control panel in both towers. that one shook my faith.. this kinda seals it.

thoughts?>

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I saw the end of that clip with Bill Cooper, he laid it all out months before it happened and even exactly who they would blame. Then they killed him for it.

Let me give you a hand, its hard to find these video's up using youtube's search algorithm.

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i dont even try to search that stuff on utube.

I was actually talking about a film clip that shows the control rooms where they installed the blast charge panels. on the same floor and suites in each building.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i dont even try to search that stuff on utube.

I was actually talking about a film clip that shows the control rooms where they installed the blast charge panels. on the same floor and suites in each building.
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I use the yahoo search engine to find all the old video's that havent been taken down on youtube. They dont algorithm the crap out of search like google does.

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xR1pp3Rx said:
legit discussion.

I'm starting to believe it was a total and provable hoax. Until now I was a bit skeptical that it could be faked. I had seen one other video that claimed to show CIA operatives wiring a control panel in both towers. that one shook my faith.. this kinda seals it.

thoughts?>

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Oooo, there's a lot of stupid here. Not even sure where to begin. But that's part and parcel among surviving truthers. First, they start with misapplied or flat-out wrong science and information like the Boeing 767 was flying at 585mph - it was flying at 500mph. Or that the 767 could not fly that fast at the impact altitude - it is indeed capable of flying at that speed/altitude though it is not certified to do so safely.

Then they will tell you that you see things which are not actually happening, like the nose of the aircraft coming out the other side of the building when no such thing appears. Or the aircraft melts into the building with no resistance when you clearly see parts of it vaporize on contact with the tower.

The sad thing is, that if truthers put a fraction of the effort into challenging their own theories as they put into challenging the facts, it would spare the mockery they make out of the events.
 
@BamBam54
watch that video tell me your thoughts.
hoax =1.5 not hoax =.5
I'm still just thinking how hard this would have been to pull off but....
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Oooo, there's a lot of stupid here. Not even sure where to begin. But that's part and parcel among surviving truthers. First, they start with misapplied or flat-out wrong science and information like the Boeing 767 was flying at 585mph - it was flying at 500mph. Or that the 767 could not fly that fast at the impact altitude - it is indeed capable of flying at that speed/altitude though it is not certified to do so safely.

Then they will tell you that you see things which are not actually happening, like the nose of the aircraft coming out the other side of the building when no such thing appears. Or the aircraft melts into the building with no resistance when you clearly see parts of it vaporize on contact with the tower.

The sad thing is, that if truthers put a fraction of the effort into challenging their own theories as they put into challenging the facts, it would spare the mockery they make out of the events.
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please present your evidence that is contrary. plz plz plz. I dont want to believe we did this to ourselves
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
@BamBam54
watch that video tell me your thoughts.
hoax =1.5 not hoax =.5
I'm still just thinking how hard this would have been to pull off but....

please present your evidence that is contrary. plz plz plz. I dont want to believe we did this to ourselves
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I don't know for sure whether or not "we did this to ourselves". Sorry. But I do know that two commercial aircraft crashed into the WTC towers. Those weren't holograms. Holograms. You do realize how stupid that sounds, don't you?

As far as the speed of flight 175 at impact, the NTSB estimates it at 515mph and an MIT study concludes a speed of 503mph.

I'm not sure what other evidence you might be pleading for. The video evidence (as poor quality as it appears) presented contradicts their narrative.
 
Nodus1 said:
I don't know for sure whether or not "we did this to ourselves". Sorry. But I do know that two commercial aircraft crashed into the WTC towers. Those weren't holograms. Holograms. You do realize how stupid that sounds, don't you?

As far as the speed of flight 175 at impact, the NTSB estimates it at 515mph and an MIT study concludes a speed of 503mph.

I'm not sure what other evidence you might be pleading for. The video evidence (as poor quality as it appears) presented contradicts their narrative.
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I never questioned that the two airplanes hit the WTC, but the Pentagon one was for sure suspect. They show you the NYC crashes over and over again, but the most heavily surveillanced place on earth never released footage until after the FOIA had the government release a choppy low quality 5 frame clip of the crash. Also, there had been a handful of professional pilots in the 9/11 Truth movement who studied the crash who claimed the maneuver was extremely difficult, if not nearly impossible especially for someone who trained in only flying a small plane with very little experience.

Now did a plane hit the Pentagon? Maybe, but I think these are healthy questions to ask that we may never find answers on, but Im leaning on more than likely it was hit with a missile.
 
Nodus1 said:
I don't know for sure whether or not "we did this to ourselves". Sorry. But I do know that two commercial aircraft crashed into the WTC towers. Those weren't holograms. Holograms. You do realize how stupid that sounds, don't you?

As far as the speed of flight 175 at impact, the NTSB estimates it at 515mph and an MIT study concludes a speed of 503mph.

I'm not sure what other evidence you might be pleading for. The video evidence (as poor quality as it appears) presented contradicts their narrative.
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apparently you missed the Chinese new yr and their hologram display that was insane. Holograms as you think of them might be science fiction. but I am fully aware that they are real and far more advanced than we could ever believe.. and while you mention some good data about the plane speed, you didnt say anything about the laws of physics discussed. I have been around planes my entire and unlike a lot of people, I have over 35 yrs experience in construction. Ive never witnessed a plane dissolve like that, and if you understood how the towers were built, then you would know those building were literally designed to take a direct hit from a plane. yet somehow the planes go right through them. Im not saying I am right but there are some serious questions that should be asked.

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xR1pp3Rx said:
apparently you missed the Chinese new yr and their hologram display that was insane. Holograms as you think of them might be science fiction. but I am fully aware that they are real and far more advanced than we could ever believe.. and while you mention some good data about the plane speed, you didnt say anything about the laws of physics discussed. I have been around planes my entire and unlike a lot of people, I have over 35 yrs experience in construction. Ive never witnessed a plane dissolve like that, and if you understood how the towers were built, then you would know those building were literally designed to take a direct hit from a plane. yet somehow the planes go right through them. Im not saying I am right but there are some serious questions that should be asked.
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The towers did take a direct hit by the plane as they were designed, but it was all the explosions planted, possibly the addition of nano thermite among other things that took the towers down.
 
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I never questioned that the two airplanes hit the WTC, but the Pentagon one was for sure suspect. They show you the NYC crashes over and over again, but the most heavily surveillanced place on earth never released footage until after the FOIA had the government release a choppy low quality 5 frame clip of the crash. Also, there had been a handful of professional pilots in the 9/11 Truth movement who studied the crash who claimed the maneuver was extremely difficult, if not nearly impossible especially for someone who trained in only flying a small plane with very little experience.

Now did a plane hit the Pentagon? Maybe, but I think these are healthy questions to ask that we may never find answers on, but Im leaning on more than likely it was hit with a missile.
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Another healthy question to ask would be, where did all of the wreckage from an American Airlines 757 found throughout the crash site come from? And what did the witnesses who claimed to see a large passenger jet crash into the Pentagon actually see?

We may never find an answer if we will only accept our own eyewitness confirmation of events. Even then, can you believe what your eyes are showing you? How can we really know the answer to anything? :rolleyes:
 
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The towers did take a direct hit by the plane as they were designed, but it was all the explosions planted, possibly the addition of nano thermite among other things that took the towers down.
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There is no proof of planted explosions, but there is proof of airplanes crashing into the towers causing their collapse. Sorry, but there is no plausible scenario in which planted explosives were involved in a coordinated chain of events to bring the towers down.
 
Nodus1 said:
There is no proof of planted explosions, but there is proof of airplanes crashing into the towers causing their collapse. Sorry, but there is no plausible scenario in which planted explosives were involved in a coordinated chain of events to bring the towers down.
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There are video's I have seen where you can see multiple blast points one after another as the towers were collapsing. Also, there are multiple witness accounts of explosions in the basement and lobby, some witnesses say blasts came from the lobby before the planes even hit. It was a chaotic day but there were alot of witnesses including the fire depearment and NYPD.

Here are firefighters saying there were 3 explosions inside the lobby right before the buildings collapsed and they thought they were bombs. It still leaves us with questions and truly coming to conclusions isnt always a great idea but its one of many that helps us put pieces together to know at minimum there are alot of things that not only we dont know about, alot that they keep hidden from us (you wont see a video below shown on mainstream TV when they do 9/11 documentaries, try finding this video with a google search even with a copy and paste of the title) and if there is one thing we can conclude is that the government lied to us over many things and kept alot hidden from us.

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Another interesting account from NYFD (beginning of video) is how there was molten steel under the rubble, like a foundry....something jet fuel doesnt heat up hot enough to melt steel in such a manner, but nano-thermite which scientists found in the dust can.

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This is the account of Barry Jennings who was NYC's Deputy Director of Emergency Services of NYC who was also the last man out of Building 7 and his account of multiple explosions in the building as he was stuck inside Rudy Giuliani's bunker.... shortly after this interview he died (many people include myself suspect assassination.)

Barry Jennings WTC 7 (Explosions) Interview - building 7
This is an exclusive interview with Barry Jennings. He was the head of Emergency Management for NYC on 9/11. He was the last person to exit WTC Building 7 before it collapsed. After giving this testimony, Mr. Jennings reported receiving threats, and then later died under mysterious ...
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Damn I said building 11. Been awhile. My thought is the cathedral is very good at spinning things to make them stronger.
 
What they never show you on mainstream media since the live footage on the day it happened.

9/11: WTC sub-level explosions
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Eyewitnesses and Media at Twin Towers on 9/11 Report Explosions
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9/11 MSNBC's Ashleigh Banfield Reports Secondary Explosions at the World Trade Center
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Skip to 1:16 for firefighters account witnessing the building was collapsing. I would continue after that too.

Firemen explain bombs plus explosions at the WTC Complex on 9/11/01
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Thats enough for the night, thanks to Yahoo search I was able to find all these video's with little problems. Over the years google has made it very difficult to find them directly on their own algorithms.
 
Almost forgot William Rodriguez, survived under the rubble while saving hundreds of people in the Twin Towers. He worked there for 20 years as a janitor who holds the only master key that day, his account how the explosions happened before the plane even hit. He first heard an explosion before him that pushed people up.....then he heard an explosion on top, afterwards....two separate events and multiple explosions after that.

Explosions in the WTC basement before the Plane struck the tower.
There were several Explosions in the World Trade Center basement before the Plane struck the tower. William Rodriguez, worked as a Janitor on level B1 of the tower. He used his pass key to open the doors of the stairwells on 9/11, helping people to escape. He received a bravery award from George Bush. However, Rodriguez questions what caused ...
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In an interview with a local fox news channel, this 9/11 hero reports explosions before the plane hit the building.
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His original 9/11 interview on ground zero
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there is film from the ground level right before the building 1 came down where you could hear what totally sounds like multiple consecutive blasts.

they claimed it was the building listing but idk. it sounds distant but too sequenced to be a listing noise.
 
I just had a somewhat brilliant idea.

I bet you could take the Unreal engine and recreate the event. the physics engine can be calibrated and weighted properly. You could fly the plane into the building 100 times and the AI would calculate the outcomes.
technically that means that you would be able to see visually the most accurate recreation and whether or not a plane could penetrate into the building or if it would do as the video I posted showed or not.

as preposterous as that may sound, thats exactly the same grift the climate change zealots are trying to sell you.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
@BamBam54
watch that video tell me your thoughts.
hoax =1.5 not hoax =.5
I'm still just thinking how hard this would have been to pull off but....

please present your evidence that is contrary. plz plz plz. I dont want to believe we did this to ourselves
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I watched the video and NO, I don't believe a secret invisible military plane flew parallel to the towers projecting the image of a plane crashing to synch with some planted explosions for a deliberate government demo job.

The video spends a lot of time repeating relatively unimportant things while ominous music plays in the background. I tend to think facts don't need dramatic emotional soundtracks.

The big push here is that the plane couldn't travel 560mph near sea-level? I don't know how that fact creates an invisible plane solution. Or how the invisible plane solution is somehow a "better" explanation than a big-ass plane smacking the building at say 480mph or 420mph. Its still a plane that weighs almost 200 tons going several hundred of miles per hour.

Other claims in this video was some unknown voice-over saying they think the B2 bomber might have video projection equipment, and that the civilian and military radars differed by a thousand feet. Oh... and some eyewitnesses said that they didn't hear engine noises? Eye-witnesses are the worst and most inaccurate piece of evidence in any accident. For any one eye-witness claim you can find a hundred that say just the opposite.

In ALL these wild conspiracy theories, they never explain why the government would go to such an effort to have FOUR (4) different plane hi-jackings (or secret missile attacks, or CDI demolition jobs, or invisible CGI plane videos)... how many people would have to be involved who never talked.... and what then really happened to the FOUR (4) planes if they didn't get hijacked and crashed. WHERE are the crews and passengers and giant planes hiding if not crashed per the official story??

Same for the bogus claims we never landed on the moon, or bigfoots are running around in the woods, or jesus cave stories, or scientology. People have wild imaginations and WANT to believe these incredible stories as a coping mechanism. Especially when it comes to tragic events or overwhelming concepts. The imagination trying to explain/rationalize frightening concepts.

Ask yourself this... what about the 1993 attack on the same twin towers by the same bunch of radical muslims. They drove a box truck full of explosives into the underground parking garage of the same tower and blew it up trying to take down the building. Was THAT also a double secret CIA demo job? Was that an invisible CGI box truck?

Or is it pretty good proof that these jihad aholes have been trying to take down the twin towers for years, and were going to keep trying until they succeeded. And our arrogance and incompetence (heck, we even trained them to take-off and not land) finally let it happen.

I am sure there was some conspiracy around the edges, but the basic terrorist plane crash story sounds far more believable that any of these wild alternatives. I tend to think we took that plane down in Schenksville (the most empty safe space you would ever want a plane to crash after tracking it for an hour) and I believe the terrorists had more than little box-cutters in hand (the original FAA report detailed a passenger with a gun... but then that report got changed and GWBush declared you could not sue an airline). Stuff like that.
 
good post dude!

after some thought, I do have one thing to point out in your post that I think can be used for cross reference.

you stated: In ALL these wild conspiracy theories, they never explain why the government would go to such an effort to have FOUR (4) different plane hi-jackings (or secret missile attacks, or CDI demolition jobs, or invisible CGI plane videos)... how many people would have to be involved who never talked....

to that I say all one has to do is look at the current state of our country and the fact that we just had a coup that no one is willing to talk about. they freaking cheated and stole the country out from under the citizenry. There is an obvious dark colusion that is provable yet, nothing is apparently going to change or be done about it. why would they go to such efforts you ask????????

what if: this all goes back to the reagan assasination or even further. I like what nodus said, can we really ever know?>
 
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I do believe in some level of government collusion and conspiracy, like with the election fraud. But the simple explanation is usually the best explanation. Mail-in ballots are ripe for fraud and illegal harvesting, and the purpose is to win the election and maintain power. They only needed to pump some extra mail-in ballots in 5 swing states. Pretty simple really.

If the GWBush government wanted to go to war with Iraq, they had a hundred reasons. Or if they needed a tower disaster, they could have easily delayed a response to a developing terror plot to 'let' it happen. We know the jihadis were trying to take down the towers, they didn't need a whole lot of help.

You wouldn't need both towers AND the pentagon AND some plane in a PA field to start a war or hide black ops money.

And any storyline that says the planes didn't hit the towers needs to (1) have a 'better' (not just other) explanation for what did happen and (2) explain where the 4 planes and crews and passengers wound up if not destroyed per the official report.

We know Kennedy got killed under some shady circumstances.... but that doesn't mean the same thing happened when Reagan got shot, or Teddy Roosevelt, etc. I think psychos and kooks are more likely and common throughout human history than sophisticated government conspiracies. But both exist.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
holy chit... a medicare whistle blower just handed somebody the All-cause mortality rates that they have been hiding since
late 2019.

not good. there is an actual 50% rise in ACM since the vacks got rolled out. Medicare stats are the most accurate and complete in detail known to the USA.

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they are trying (and succeeding) to kill us.
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I don't think anyone has been hiding the mortality rates. It's been the best way to track the real effect of covid compared to the normal death numbers. It's called the excess death charts. The system is down at the moment, but I've checked it every week since this whole thing started.

Average US deaths are about 56k a week, every week, for years. A little higher in winter and lower in summer. At the worst covid spike it was up maybe 30% per week. For the whole year we went from a pretty consistent 2.7m deaths up around 400k extra deaths to 3.1 million. But those extra deaths are everything... covid, suicide, cancer, vaccine side effects, everything.

(Here is the excess death chart from March)
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xR1pp3Rx said:
I just had a somewhat brilliant idea.

I bet you could take the Unreal engine and recreate the event. the physics engine can be calibrated and weighted properly. You could fly the plane into the building 100 times and the AI would calculate the outcomes.
technically that means that you would be able to see visually the most accurate recreation and whether or not a plane could penetrate into the building or if it would do as the video I posted showed or not.

as preposterous as that may sound, thats exactly the same grift the climate change zealots are trying to sell you.
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Im still not into the CGI theory, but having re-enforced military jumbo jets is more plausible, another theory is they gassed the passangers through the vents and took over the jets via remote control/drone route. I really dont know though, those are less obvious unlike the obvious common sense stuff such as wtc7 being completely a controlled demolition for example.

Do remember, there were 4 indestructable black boxes that totally vaporized from existence that day. No traces of them. Gone, including the one plane that supposedly "crashed" onto a field by people using cell phones in the middle of nowhere calling their families in the sky in 2001, an era where having payphones were still useful. But they want you to also believe somehow in NYC, one of the hijacker's paper passport magically flew threw the massive explosion and landed on the rubble in great shape, yet 4 indistructable black boxes totally vaporized.....but they still found fingernail fragments in the rubble to identify victims??? LMFAO!!! Ill believe the toothfairy is real before I believe the government's account of what happened on 9/11!

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Im still not into the CGI theory, but having re-enforced military jumbo jets is more plausible, another theory is they gassed the passangers through the vents and took over the jets via remote control/drone route. I really dont know though, those are less obvious unlike the obvious common sense stuff such as wtc7 being completely a controlled demolition for example.

Do remember, there were 4 indestructable black boxes that totally vaporized from existence that day. No traces of them. Gone, including the one plane that supposedly "crashed" onto a field by people using cell phones in the middle of nowhere calling their families in the sky in 2001, an era where having payphones were still useful. But they want you to also believe somehow in NYC, one of the hijacker's paper passport magically flew threw the massive explosion and landed on the rubble in great shape, yet 4 indistructable black boxes totally vaporized.....but they still found fingernail fragments in the rubble to identify victims??? LMFAO!!! Ill believe the toothfairy is real before I believe the government's account of what happened on 9/11!

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Ax - I know you like to do the whole stream-of-consciousness outpouring of everything you ever read on the internet at the slightest mention of 9/11.... Niagara falls slowly I turn. 😀

But tiny baby steps for a moment. Flight 93 crashed into the Shanksville, PA field. I've been there. The black boxes were recovered. You are wrong.
 
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