ax1
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I always wondered who's idea it was to do that in the first place? Dump 2024! Gitrrrdunn!
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I always wondered who's idea it was to do that in the first place? Dump 2024! Gitrrrdunn!
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dixonk
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Media: crickets
Beau
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If we have not heard anything about using his father to make millions, his crack addiction, his having thrown a loaded gun into a public dumpster, his falsifying information on gun acquisition paperwork, his marrying his brother's widow, his receipt of a dishonorable discharge from the military, any of the incriminating emails and photos on his laptop, the existence of his laptop, his banging strippers and whores, his denial of financial (child) support of a child her had with a stripper (on the basis that he was financially strapped), and on, and on, and on ...
Why would anyone care if he uses racial slurs?
The reason? He is not a Republican. He is not a member of the Trump family.
C'mon man.
To even ask the question means that you must be a racist or white supremacist or climate denier (or all).
Why would anyone care if he uses racial slurs?
The reason? He is not a Republican. He is not a member of the Trump family.
C'mon man.
To even ask the question means that you must be a racist or white supremacist or climate denier (or all).
BamBam54
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Actually, Trump's team developed the vaccine at record speed... that allowed the elderly and those with comorbidities a far better chance of survival.
The DIFFERENCE is that Trump wasn't forcing the vaccine on anyone. Especially kids! Trump was opposed to state lockdowns. Trump wanted to open schools. Trump made the vaccine available and OPTIONAL for everyone. Same as masks!
The Dems wanted to extend state lockdowns, and require masks and mandatory vaccines, even for children vastly unaffected by covid at all. Plus spend billions modifying schools with plastic shields and giving out teacher bonuses, and still keeping them closed!
The Trump/MAGA plan was clearly the better choice!
I guess there is also the Libertarian plan for everything... isolationism and legal Weed (and banning the giant space laser cannon)
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ax1
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Yeah sure, Stalin is a better choice than Hitler, isnt that just wonderful!
Other than that, Dump has done absolutely nothing to advance our freedoms and liberties and has committed countless violations to his oath of office to protect our United States Constitution. There is only one place he belongs, and that is jail.
ax1
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Actual we do have a terrific plan, it was written 232 years ago and there was a little something written shortly after that.
Libertarians arent pretenders to love it like that disgraceful imbecile that last worked out of the Oval Office.
If our founding fathers were alive today they would be sure to make that red headed Unconstitutional lunatic bunk beds with Groper Joe over in Gitmo no later than yesterday.
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ax1
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Meanwhile Dump developed a record way to destroy our entire economy printing 20% of our entire histories money supply to help pay for it in a single year and Dump supporters bitch and complain why the price of eggs and Budweiser went up.
All he did was try to solve a crisis with another crisis and help make big pharma make billions of dollars on a product that every American needed to purchase against their free will (taxes, traditional and through money printing, which is still taxes) regardless if they want to take it or not.
BamBam54
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Whaaaat? Trump did the BIGGEST move to protect our liberties and freedoms in modern times!! He pulled the US out of the dopey Paris Climate Accord... which would have forced Americans to follow global orders and limit economic growth and prosperity, to fight an imaginary invisible monster.
He was also the first President to stand up to China, impose tariffs, communicate officially with Taiwan, and fight back against their theft of our intellectual properties.
And Trump rolled back govt regulations to allow greater use of our own natural resources, making the US a net EXPORTER of natural gas and oil for the first time in my lifetime.
And Trump ripped up the dangerously flawed Iranian nuke deal, that allowed them a path to a nuclear warhead in less than 10 years. And Trump also took out their #2 guy Soleimani, who arranged for the killing of hundreds of Americans through IEP's in Iraq.
What did libertarians ever practically do in modern times, other than point fingers and bake hash brownies??
ax1
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Isolationists? Why, because we dont drop bombs on weak 3rd world countries who refuse to comply with our natural resource demands?
Come on man!
ax1
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None of you talk about covers his multiple violations to our Bill of Rights and Constitution.
I mean if you want to live in a big government shythole you already got it. You win.
BamBam54
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Where would modern day Libertarians have deployed US forces?? Can you give me an example?
What have modern day Libertarians ever accomplished? At all?? Can you give me an example, other than endless platitudes and internet posturing???
I'll wait.... while your brownies bake....
What have modern day Libertarians ever accomplished? At all?? Can you give me an example, other than endless platitudes and internet posturing???
I'll wait.... while your brownies bake....
ax1
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Yes, if we were attacked, but our Founding Fathers clearly warned of being entangled in foreign affairs and were non-interventionists and their warnings came out to be true.
You can argue that our Founding Fathers were Libertarians and that our biggest accomplishment was the creation of the United States of America. If that isnt enough for you I give up.
ax1
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If you love America and our founding core documents, I would love for you to take your passion and join my team.
On a personal level I hate Marijuana by the way, outside of medical purposes.
BamBam54
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What about "modern day Libertarians" did you miss??
It's typed out for God sake.... just look above!!!
Note - only if attacked = 100% isolationist until attacked. Say goodbye to Taiwan and Hong Kong (and Israel). We'll be waiting in the Ron Paul commemorative bunker. LOL
It's typed out for God sake.... just look above!!!
Note - only if attacked = 100% isolationist until attacked. Say goodbye to Taiwan and Hong Kong (and Israel). We'll be waiting in the Ron Paul commemorative bunker. LOL
ax1
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I know there is alot of confusion out there as to what it means to be a non-interventionist, and being a non-interventionist doesnt equate to fuqing shyt up if you were attacked. Being a non-interventionist means to not entangling in the foreign affairs of other countries.
Also, if you understand the Founding Father's documents, they warned everybody against themselves....the government.
ax1
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It was the US interventionist policy that gave Mao and the Communists the strategic intel to overthrow Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang pushing them to the Island of Taiwan simply because various politicians were mad and frustrated at Chiang for various reasons.
Hong Kong? I love Hong Kong, but the British handed that back over to China in 1997 and everything else that has happened after that was expected if you didnt live with your head in the sand. And of course it was to be handed back over, should China own Ireland?
ax1
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Give me a Native American who loves freedom and liberty, and power of the individual over any big government socialist war mongering gop/dnc whitey and I will vote for them any day.
BamBam54
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EVERY native American loved freedom and liberty, and individual rights over big government.. until your Libertarian Whitey Founding Father's decided to destroy them and take all their shiit.
It's been that way since time began, humans fighting humans to obtain power, wealth, and resources. And it's utterly naive to think Libertarians have some kind of secret formula to avoid this and survive in a world filled with other violent humans.
Thus I ask what modern day Libertarians have actually accomplished, ever, other than internet grandstanding.
CRICKETS....!!!
I agree that establishment career politicians from both GOP and Dems are a blight on society. But for the most part, the Trump/MAGA movement was a yuge improvement and restoration of American free will and values. Who ever did more to secure the border (the very essence of a nation, itself)?!?!
Other than screwing up monetary policies and debt, the MAGA team accomplished more positive change for this country than any administration since Reagan (and perhaps T. Roosevelt)!
And my challenge to the modern day Libertarian crowd is to present an example of where their political acumen has accomplished ANYTHING in practical modern day reality.... anything??
ax1
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Our Founding Fathers warned us against themselves, thats what the 2nd Amendment was for.
I have no problem being in my deathbed knowing I dedicated my entire life to protecting human rights, promoting freedom, liberty, and the power of the individual rather than promoting big government socialist war mongering tyranny that the Republicrat and Demican voters represent even if it accomplishes nothing. I will die in peace knowing I did not participate in the degradation of our society and country.
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ax1
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We are the most ferocious passionate defenders of the Bill of Rights, that is what makes America special and better than any other place on earth. If you have a problem with that, that certainly saddens me.
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ax1
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And your point? Im well aware things arent going my way, I have no problem fighting a losing battle for a just cause. Duly note that too. Thats what I want to be remembered for, not someone giving in to a safe space. What Im also trying to say is nobody is getting rid of us, we are the thorns to tyranny, people need us (that includes you whether you realize it or not) and nobody can stop us from fighting.
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BamBam54
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The Dems are currently destroying this country in the name of their radical liberal/progressive (socialist/Marxist) ideology. They now hold the White House and Congress, and are trying to change existing laws to hijack the Supreme Court. They are deliberately flooding the country with illegal aliens and pushing HR1/SR1 election law changes with the intent to never yield power again.
Not only aren't things going your individual freedom loving way, but they are now accelerating in the opposite direction. Not only are you failing as the thorn to tyranny, but you allowed the Dems to exploit and leverage your obstinance for their own political gain, and perhaps the very end of our Republic.
Fighting a losing battle for a just cause risks losing the entire cause, forever. Congratulations??
I'd rather win a few important battles and slowly move ever closer to the more perfect union once envisioned by our Founders. This is a giant ship, and doesn't turn on a dime. And the iceberg right in front of us doesn't give a rats ass if you are pouting and refusing to bail water even a little bit....
In the grand scheme of things, you might only be remembered as the guy who thinks a giant space laser fried cars on the FDR in NY, 9/12/01.... (edit - which would be a shame 'cause I think you have much more to offer.)
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ax1
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They are all the same pile of shyt, they all belong to the same club and divide people giving them the illusion of choice. Behind closed doors most of their policies are all the same big government socialist war mongering unconstitutional crap with incremental differences on how to run the crimes and distract people with bathrooms and walls, and Im tired of it.
The GOP and DNC both have done nothing to advance freedom and liberty, only destroy it.
ax1
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With the GOP's and Dump's policies in no way move us closer to a more perfect union once envisioned by our Founders. Our founders would declare them terrorists and wage war on them. They GOP is the very representation of everything our Founders stood against. These are undisputable facts.
ax1
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The GOP's Patriot Act in itself alone (which their DNC buddies propped up as well) is more than plentiful to declare them a terrorist organization. Its not even a debate.
GOP = Anti-American terrorists
ax1
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What pizzes me off even more is our country is dead broke on the brink of disaster and he is spending 10s of millions of our stolen tax dollars flying over there when his stupid azz could simply go on zoom to talk to these low life scumbags overseas.
BamBam54
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Establishment career politicians are all shiiity, both Democrats and Republicans. And Libertarians are generally do nothing nobodies in the peanut gallery.
I would argue that Trump and the MAGA movement was something at least half different and better! Do you want to break away from the globalists and their dopey Paris Climate Accord? Do you want more secure borders? Do you want to produce our own natural gas and oil? Do you want to push back against a Chinese economic monopoly? Do you want to prevent Iran from having a nuclear bomb while they chant death to America?? How can you fuq'n be against any of that?? And only Trump was bringing at least that much to the table....!!
The right move would have been to get another Trump term, lock in these significant gains... and then rally against establishment RINOs and GOP sellouts and replace them too. The same aholes that overruled Trumps veto on renaming military bases and holding internet giants accountable for biased partisan games with free speech. They all gotta go! Trump had GOP traitors and Democrat maniacs opposing him from day one. The establishment and globalists HATED Trump, and I love that!!
You don't like the Patriot Act? Great. How about also opposing the deep state that tried to overthrow the Trump Presidency with FISA wire taps, a phony Russian investigation, leaked Ukranian calls and two impeachments?!?!?!?
And by not getting on board the Trump train, and having no real train of your own (just some hippie libertarian pot heads making choo-choo noises)... you ensured a Biden/Kamala victory. And we may never have free and fair elections again.
I would argue that Trump and the MAGA movement was something at least half different and better! Do you want to break away from the globalists and their dopey Paris Climate Accord? Do you want more secure borders? Do you want to produce our own natural gas and oil? Do you want to push back against a Chinese economic monopoly? Do you want to prevent Iran from having a nuclear bomb while they chant death to America?? How can you fuq'n be against any of that?? And only Trump was bringing at least that much to the table....!!
The right move would have been to get another Trump term, lock in these significant gains... and then rally against establishment RINOs and GOP sellouts and replace them too. The same aholes that overruled Trumps veto on renaming military bases and holding internet giants accountable for biased partisan games with free speech. They all gotta go! Trump had GOP traitors and Democrat maniacs opposing him from day one. The establishment and globalists HATED Trump, and I love that!!
You don't like the Patriot Act? Great. How about also opposing the deep state that tried to overthrow the Trump Presidency with FISA wire taps, a phony Russian investigation, leaked Ukranian calls and two impeachments?!?!?!?
And by not getting on board the Trump train, and having no real train of your own (just some hippie libertarian pot heads making choo-choo noises)... you ensured a Biden/Kamala victory. And we may never have free and fair elections again.
ax1
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Dump was deep state day 1, appointed all deep state people and supported all the deep state policies through his entire presidency and supposedly were against him.
Constitutionally he is no longer qualified to run for office, he is "deep state."
ax1
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We created America and our founding principles giving you the protection to publicly support your little terrorist big government dictators without fear of oppression, your welcome.
My job is to restore our Bill of Rights and politically eliminate the GOP and DNC from their reign of terror.
BamBam54
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I am all for a 3rd party, with a guy like Ross Perot. 100% behind that.
But opposition to everything, isolationism, and accomplishing nothing is a shiiity resume for modern day Libertarians. The only thing you ever delivered was the Biden/Kamala presidency.
And you expect thanks?????
But opposition to everything, isolationism, and accomplishing nothing is a shiiity resume for modern day Libertarians. The only thing you ever delivered was the Biden/Kamala presidency.
And you expect thanks?????
ax1
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Librarians are not isolationists at all, its the opposite actually. Thats propaganda from our political opposition to justify their reign of terror on other sovereign nations to prop up their war$$$ and satisfy their Military Industrial Complex Lobbie$$$.
We arent in opposition to anything at all, actually we oppose far less than Demicans and Republicrats, far far more. Most of the time were opposing the degradation of our freedoms, whats wrong with that? We are opposing the opposition of our human rights and values.
And you final statement is absolutely ridiculous. Why would I vote a big government terrorist to stop Groper and Karemala from entering office? WTF is that???? My allegiance is to the US Constitution, not the enemy of it known as the GOP.
Maybe if the GOP didnt steal elections we would have Jo Jorgensen as our president, but they only cry, bitch and complain when they pretend that it was done to them.
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ax1
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We had a low vote count because the GOP and DNC rigged the elections, they raped the American people yet again from having any legitamte (Jorgensen was a mandatory on all 50 ballots) opposition voice on the national debate stage.
And Dump is a low life hypocrite, back in the day he would vent how much of an atrocity it was that the debates were rigged and 3rd party voices were blocked from being heard, until it was his turn and he himself lied and cheater our country out of having a legitimate election. On another note, I dunno how anybody didnt watch those debates and refuse to support either of them insulting people's intelligent with 2nd grade back of the school bus arguments, but thats another story.
ax1
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My realistic goal is to acquire 10 Senate Seats over the next 10-20 years. If we can do that we will own the swing vote and people wont stop covering us, the media wont be able to ignore us. Thats all it takes to own the Senate, a measly 10 seats.
And in the meantime we win local battles in local politics across the country. A little at a time, its hard work but it is what it is, you have to do whats right to save our Country and defend whatever rights we have left from Republicrats and Demicans raping it from us because once its gone we likely will never have another America ever again.
ax1
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For the record, I know Im letting all loose today how I feel about things, but I do wanna make sure you know I that I know you love your country and want best for it along with many other Dump voters. We just strongly disagree on how to run the shop.
BamBam54
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Someone is going to be elected to run the country. And there are apparently only 1.18% pot headsets and conspiracy nuts around to vote for JJ.
So we are left by default with either Trump or Biden/Kamala in 2020 (because no way he goes the distance). At least until a legit 3rd party comes along.
But since you didn't support either, we ALL get Biden/Kamala. And that pair might just run the country into the ground. It might never come back. And then what... Libertarians post an internet forum "Oooops"?
So we are left by default with either Trump or Biden/Kamala in 2020 (because no way he goes the distance). At least until a legit 3rd party comes along.
But since you didn't support either, we ALL get Biden/Kamala. And that pair might just run the country into the ground. It might never come back. And then what... Libertarians post an internet forum "Oooops"?
BamBam54
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I am just trying to achieve SOME good, SOME benefit to the Founders ideals, SOME positive move forward. Even baby steps forward. I listed some true Trump achievements. Great stuff that even you would agree are great (though you pretend to never agree and dodge an answer)
So now it went the opposite direction. Jiggz-ville. And it might never come back.
So yeah I'm bummed. Trying not to be too hard on you. But it's ALL YOUR FAULT. (LOL)
So now it went the opposite direction. Jiggz-ville. And it might never come back.
So yeah I'm bummed. Trying not to be too hard on you. But it's ALL YOUR FAULT. (LOL)
ax1
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No its not the default, your just giving into what they are force feeding down your throat.
And again, I hate pot and I hate the smell of it. JJ ran on a platform that the Libtertarian party isnt a group of pot heads. That was Gary Johnson, who was Governor of New Mexico who's sidekick was former Governor of Massachusetts. We know how to run a country.
And "conspiracies" is just another slogan deranged GOP and DNC minions like to throw at us as a distraction from the fact that for decades that have raped and pillaged on the rights of the American people. Those shytards dont even want to debate us on the national stage, they are corrupt chickenshyts.
ax1
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I dont disagree with all of Dump's policies, and Ive always said he is the lesser of two evils. And even some of the ones I disagree with, you are right they are baby steps in the right direction.
I do get along with GOP and even Trumpers more than Libtards thats for sure
Hey, you be you, whenever you want to vent take it out all on me Im all good, I understand you and I dont mind taking it hard up the bum bum (not literally lol) ...and Im not like some people and block others (in a political thread of all places!) just because of political differences.
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ax1
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I for one WELCOME the serious non-stoner Libertarians to the debate stage....
Question #1 - do you believe in a giant space laser.
LMFAO, yes in a way I do, been discussing that on this forum since 2009 way before Quack-anon we have had them since the 70's or 80s and Reagon's Star War's program had been bought up to discussion.
Now this "Jewish Space Lazer" sounds comical to me and I never bothered to look into what Quack'anon was referring to, but to not think we dont have weapon of war in space I believe is a bit naive in my own opinion. Is it "Giant?" well....I dont think it needs to be.
ax1
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I for one WELCOME the serious non-stoner Libertarians to the debate stage....
Question #1 - do you believe in a giant space laser.
On another similar note, Ive been discussing particle beams and directed energy weapons as well for many years around here and people threw tin foil at me, until recently the use of particle beams on American government officials staying overseas became mainstream.
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BamBam54
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And THAT is where Libertarians often go into a ditch. While, yes its perfectly reasonable to think we might have a space laser of some sort after 125 cargo bays full of stuff the shuttle carried into orbit.... it's kooky to think the secret space laser was used to fry cars on the FDR the day after 9/11. LOL
For that matter, if we had a functional space laser, we wouldn't be in such a panic trying to stop incoming ballistic missiles from N.Korea, Iran, Russia and China, etc. I mean, what's the point of having a giant space laser if it can't shoot anything other than a buick??
For that matter, if we had a functional space laser, we wouldn't be in such a panic trying to stop incoming ballistic missiles from N.Korea, Iran, Russia and China, etc. I mean, what's the point of having a giant space laser if it can't shoot anything other than a buick??
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Jiigzz
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She attended in 2016 - you know, when Trump was President lol