Donald Trump running for president

[ax1]

With MERs, the people treating the sick were the most at-risk because of prolonged, continuous exposure. That alone would qualify them to wear a mask, even if the wider public are not required to wear one.

Then an argument was made that the average person wearing a mask when they are not trained how to put one on could place themselves at more risk if the mask is ill-fitting simply because they are more likely to put their hands near their mouth, nose and eyes more frequently than if they simply didn't wear a mask at all.

Maybe they did lie to prevent an overreaction to reduced supplies from frontline medical staff as well. Could be truth in there to that.

And people till this day still put it on and handle masks like a bunch of deranged idiots. And then people wonder why they got sick!?

 

[THOR 70]

Do you think all viruses spread through the air? Human immunodeficiency VIRUS is not spread through airborne droplets. The word virus doesn't automatically mean you need to wear a mask to control the spread.

The Middle Eastern Respiratory Sydrome (MERs-CoV) is also a coronavirus, but human to human transmission has only been determined where prolonged, close exposure to an infected person has occurred. Because it doesn't spread as freely, widespread mask use was not required.

At the time the CDC made the statement, the evidence was not there to support wearing masks because most of the novel coronavirus cases that have spread to humans have had limited success with person to person infectivity.

Hindsight shows they were wrong, but they corrected themselves once the evidence came out. Again, its not about never being wrong, its about forming an opinion based on credible evidence and changing that opinion when the evidence changes. I have no idea why they recommend wearing 2 masks or whether that is based on anything, and if its not i would question that 100%.

This is all great information, but a 99.9% survivability rate makes it all just a pointless discussion. Therefore, we are back to the actual agenda of the masks, vaccine, lockdowns, etc. I just hope that when all the truth comes to light you have the balls to come back here and admit you were wrong.

 

[Jiigzz]

This is all great information, but a 99.9% survivability rate makes it all just a pointless discussion. Therefore, we are back to the actual agenda of the masks, vaccine, lockdowns, etc. I just hope that when all the truth comes to light you have the balls to come back here and admit you were wrong.

I've been waiting over a year for the truth, but so far all I've seen is 2 million people dead, and counting

 

[Ricky10]

LMFAO!!!! Demicans rigged the election in ways that couldnt have been even pulled off in Venezuala and the Cartoon News Network says this!

"Trump unleashes new threat to American democracy"

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Well if that isn’t a typical CNN article I don’t know what is. They are still trying to convince people that Trump incited violence at the capital and lied about the stolen election. I guess they feel if they keep saying it, people will start to think they are speaking the truth.

 

[Jiigzz]

Well if that isn’t a typical CNN article I don’t know what is. They are still trying to convince people that Trump incited violence at the capital and lied about the stolen election. I guess they feel if they keep saying it, people will start to think they are speaking the truth.

It's the same on both sides. Everyone is as bad as each other. Politics should be removed from media.

 

[Ricky10]

My company sent out an email last week saying that since everyone has had ample time to get one of the vaccines they’ll no longer offer paid covid sick time for the 10 day quarantine/isolation if one of us gets it.

“Go make us money by seeing all the covid + patients, but hope you dont catch it by wearing your N95 youve been using for a month. Oh, and if you do catch it - SORRY, that costs you nearly an entire paycheck!”

Our lives are meaningless to them when it comes to their bottom line.

I haven’t checked my work email for a few days, so the same could be true for us and I just didn't hear yet. Since I can never take even close to the amount of sick/vacation time I earn per year, it really wouldn’t effect me. Any legit way I can get out of being there is a blessing in itself to be honest. Haha!

Not that I am defending them (never would), but I suppose it would be difficult to definitively say that an employee infection was caused from a workplace exposure. Then of course, our immunity post vaccination puts us at an advantage. Being prioritized for the vaccine was the only thing I have been grateful for- aside from being guaranteed a job I suppose.

One N95 per month! This seems to far exceed manufacturer maximum use of 2-3 hrs per day for 3 or 4 days before it is compromised. Sue them! At least I get 1 N95 per day

 

[Ricky10]

Politics should be removed from media.

Wouldn’t that be a blessing!

 

[ax1]

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[Ricky10]

Not even China? They closed domestic travel out of Wuhan but kept International open. That helped them crush the Hong Kong protests for good thats for sure. Plus it helped them propel their national tracking systems.

Look, with every crisis, either man made or natural comes alot of opportunity, to think there werent governments or elements/people in governments along with giant corporate banking cartels drooling for this to happen is hillarious.

Not saying I wish this ever happens again, but if I knew back then what I knew today Id more than likely made at least a half a million dollars with a small investment working out of my basement bunker.

Not to mention the silencing of Chinese doctors who were trying to release more information about the virus being silenced, going missing, and/or dying. There were zero efforts initiated by the Chinese government or the WHO to contain the virus. Only efforts to guarantee its international spread.

Anywho- WTF ever happened to the big bad UK and South African variants that were supposed to ravage everyone? Last I knew, cases were very much on the downtrend (obviously nothing to do with Biden). These scientists need to stop predicting things based on unfounded theories.

 

[ax1]

Not to mention the silencing of Chinese doctors who were trying to release more information about the virus being silenced, going missing, and/or dying. There were zero efforts initiated by the Chinese government or the WHO to contain the virus. Only efforts to guarantee its international spread.

Anywho- WTF ever happened to the big bad UK and South African variants that were supposed to ravage everyone? Last I knew, cases were very much on the downtrend (obviously nothing to do with Biden). These scientists need to stop predicting things based on unfounded theories.

Actually the head of the CDC today warned not to open up yet because of the rise of the variants, so with them its not over yet.

 

[thebigt]

Controversial people can have social media accounts, but if they violate the terms of service then the companies do act.

Most are smart enough to say just enough to not get in trouble. Others believe they have a right to say whatever they want, and they typically get banned.

farrakhan said that jews are termites who need to be terminated...and his facebook page is still up.

 

[thebigt]

With MERs, the people treating the sick were the most at-risk because of prolonged, continuous exposure. That alone would qualify them to wear a mask, even if the wider public are not required to wear one.

Then an argument was made that the average person wearing a mask when they are not trained how to put one on could place themselves at more risk if the mask is ill-fitting simply because they are more likely to put their hands near their mouth, nose and eyes more frequently than if they simply didn't wear a mask at all.

Maybe they did lie to prevent an overreaction to reduced supplies from frontline medical staff as well. Could be truth in there to that.

bullshyt, the next month fauci and surgeon general were on television telling people that even bandanas wrapped around mouth and nose was protection against spread of covid...and the shortage wasn't of the thin cloth masks that you see everyone wearing today, the shortage was of N95 masks that frontline healthcare workers needed since they were in contact with covid positive patients.

are you making this stuff up as you go along because your arguments don't seem to be based on evidence???

 

[Ricky10]

Actually the head of the CDC today warned not to open up yet because of the rise of the variants, so with them its not over yet.

Seems it was supposed to happen before now- particularly given how much more contagious they supposedly are. I don’t know, there is something I don’t trust about these variant scares. Then again, there has been very little to trust along the way regardless. It wouldn’t surprise me if China was hand tailoring these variants and directly spreading them around the world.

 

[thebigt]

Seems it was supposed to happen before now- particularly given how much more contagious they supposedly are. I don’t know, there is something I don’t trust about these variant scares. Then again, there has been very little to trust along the way regardless. It wouldn’t surprise me if China was hand tailoring these variants and directly spreading them around the world.

but yet you trust the vaccines?


are you sure that the vaccine shot you got will cover you against variants?

asking for a friend...

 

[Ricky10]

but yet you trust the vaccines?


are you sure that the vaccine shot you got will cover you against variants?

asking for a friend...

I do trust that the vaccine(s) will prepare my body and others to more efficiently mount immune defenses against any variant of the China virus up to this point anyway. Oddly enough, I am not highly skeptical of the vaccines or any potential agendas behind them. No regrets at all here in that regard.

 

[blackirish36]

but yet you trust the vaccines?


are you sure that the vaccine shot you got will cover you against variants?

asking for a friend...

It's worse than that. The mRNA jab might just set one up for cytokine storm when they are exposed to another variant. We won't know until the variants come into contact with vaccinated people to a significant degree.

 

[thebigt]

It's worse than that. The mRNA jab might just set one up for cytokine storm when they are exposed to another variant. We won't know until the variants come into contact with vaccinated people to a significant degree.

guinea pigs?

 

[thebigt]

i still have skepticism about these vaccines.

i realize of course that eventually i will be forced to get one of the vaccines if i intend on living any sort of 'normal' life.

 

[thebigt]

I do trust that the vaccine(s) will prepare my body and others to more efficiently mount immune defenses against any variant of the China virus up to this point anyway. Oddly enough, I am not highly skeptical of the vaccines or any potential agendas behind them. No regrets at all here in that regard.

you are ok if i don't share your enthusiasm for these vaccines?

 

[blackirish36]

guinea pigs?

It looks that way from where I stand.

 

[THOR 70]

It looks that way from where I stand.

This would assume they know they don’t know the outcomes. They have tested mRNA tech on animals before and there has never been a good outcome apparently

 

[BamBam54]

Just an update on covid variants... after the UK and South African strains, they are now talking about a new Brazil strain. Super contagious, getting better at dodging immunities, yada yada....

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[Misfit28]

This would assume they know they don’t know the outcomes. They have tested mRNA tech on animals before and there has never been a good outcome apparently

You do know that animal trials were done as well human trials, right? They didn’t have dangerous side effects that would preclude their use in humans. You do also know that mRNA technology has been around for over 20 years, right? The groundwork on mRNA vaccines was already laid, which is the main reason that they were able to get them going so quickly.

 

[Misfit28]

It's worse than that. The mRNA jab might just set one up for cytokine storm when they are exposed to another variant. We won't know until the variants come into contact with vaccinated people to a significant degree.

I’m curious how you came to that conclusion.

 

[Misfit28]

bullshyt, the next month fauci and surgeon general were on television telling people that even bandanas wrapped around mouth and nose was protection against spread of covid...and the shortage wasn't of the thin cloth masks that you see everyone wearing today, the shortage was of N95 masks that frontline healthcare workers needed since they were in contact with covid positive patients.

are you making this stuff up as you go along because your arguments don't seem to be based on evidence???

I think you might be mixing up protection from the virus versus reducing the spread. Masks are recommended simply to prevent the spread from droplet transmission, not to protect you but to protect others.

@Jiiggz is correct. An ill-fitting N95 puts you more at risk of contracting the virus.

 

[Misfit28]

Actually the head of the CDC today warned not to open up yet because of the rise of the variants, so with them its not over yet.

Of course it’s not over yet. I’m of the the firm belief that COVID is here to stay just like the flu. It kills me how people refuse to wear masks yet want the country to remain open. However, people not wearing masks is what’s keeping the country from being open.

 

[Misfit28]

This is all great information, but a 99.9% survivability rate makes it all just a pointless discussion. Therefore, we are back to the actual agenda of the masks, vaccine, lockdowns, etc. I just hope that when all the truth comes to light you have the balls to come back here and admit you were wrong.

Come on man, are you serious? You do know that a 99.9% survival rate still means it’s 10 times more deadly than seasonal flu, right? Over 500,000 dead in the US alone and we shouldn’t take it seriously?

 

[kisaj]

So much focus on the death rate and not enough on the long lasting health issues that many people deal with, which will no doubt put a strain on our current broken health care system. I would say of all the people I know that had Covid, which is a lot due to the nature of my business and social circles, about 50% came away like it was nothing but a simple cold, maybe 25% had bad symptoms that took them out for 3-4 weeks, and the rest are still dealing with problems that might last the rest of their lives. Seems there is too much emphasis placed on the deaths - liberals, and too much placed on the "it's just like a cold/flu" - conservatives. There is a big middle ground that will be an issue going into the future.

Anyone know why we don't hear more about this drug Ivermectin that apparently is incredibly successful in stopping Covid and being used in Australia?

 

[ax1]

Of course it’s not over yet. I’m of the the firm belief that COVID is here to stay just like the flu. It kills me how people refuse to wear masks yet want the country to remain open. However, people not wearing masks is what’s keeping the country from being open.

If you are worried about getting sick just wear a n95 mask when you go out until you get vaxxed or stay home as much as possible. Other than that, its not about refusing to wear a mask, its about people refusing to accept responsibility for themselves. Whats keeping the country from opening is tyrannical un-Constitutional over-reaching illegal governments shutting us down, not the stupid CCP-Virus.

Welcome back by the way, your alternative views have always been welcome here

 

[ax1]

I think you might be mixing up protection from the virus versus reducing the spread. Masks are recommended simply to prevent the spread from droplet transmission, not to protect you but to protect others.

@Jiiggz is correct. An ill-fitting N95 puts you more at risk of contracting the virus.

And just think, 99% of the people wear a mask that is less effective than a ill-fitted n95 mask, and people want to bark they should keeping wearing baby naps on their face.

 

[THOR 70]

So much focus on the death rate and not enough on the long lasting health issues that many people deal with, which will no doubt put a strain on our current broken health care system. I would say of all the people I know that had Covid, which is a lot due to the nature of my business and social circles, about 50% came away like it was nothing but a simple cold, maybe 25% had bad symptoms that took them out for 3-4 weeks, and the rest are still dealing with problems that might last the rest of their lives. Seems there is too much emphasis placed on the deaths - liberals, and too much placed on the "it's just like a cold/flu" - conservatives. There is a big middle ground that will be an issue going into the future.

Anyone know why we don't hear more about this drug Ivermectin that apparently is incredibly successful in stopping Covid and being used in Australia?

I can’t argue with majority of this post.

Ivermectin in an anti microbial that is still used in the veterinary world. I personally know a family medicine Dr who informed her patients of this when they couldn’t access hydroxychloroquine. She had a lot of elderly comorbid patients and none ended up in hospital or died from covid. She also put her whole staff on hydroxychloroquine prophylactically and none of them got covid.

Hundreds of doctors will tell you these treatments work but they are suppressed. Another smoking gun in this very shady pandemic

 

[jswain34]

So much focus on the death rate and not enough on the long lasting health issues that many people deal with, which will no doubt put a strain on our current broken health care system. I would say of all the people I know that had Covid, which is a lot due to the nature of my business and social circles, about 50% came away like it was nothing but a simple cold, maybe 25% had bad symptoms that took them out for 3-4 weeks, and the rest are still dealing with problems that might last the rest of their lives. Seems there is too much emphasis placed on the deaths - liberals, and too much placed on the "it's just like a cold/flu" - conservatives. There is a big middle ground that will be an issue going into the future.

Anyone know why we don't hear more about this drug Ivermectin that apparently is incredibly successful in stopping Covid and being used in Australia?

Ive been reading a lot into it lately. The observational and retrospective stuff looks very promising.

They will never roll it out widespread in the US until there are (edit: large) randomized controlled, double blinded trials exhibiting efficacy.

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[ax1]

So much focus on the death rate and not enough on the long lasting health issues that many people deal with, which will no doubt put a strain on our current broken health care system. I would say of all the people I know that had Covid, which is a lot due to the nature of my business and social circles, about 50% came away like it was nothing but a simple cold, maybe 25% had bad symptoms that took them out for 3-4 weeks, and the rest are still dealing with problems that might last the rest of their lives. Seems there is too much emphasis placed on the deaths - liberals, and too much placed on the "it's just like a cold/flu" - conservatives. There is a big middle ground that will be an issue going into the future.

Anyone know why we don't hear more about this drug Ivermectin that apparently is incredibly successful in stopping Covid and being used in Australia?

The long lasting health issues are that most people dont take personal responsibilities with their health. I know this isnt what you were talking about but its probably the primary problem in America with people coming in contact with this virus both death and long term health, as well as a high contributing factor on the strain of our broken (caused by government, and will be further intervened by government unfortunately) health care system.

I not ever once heard of lyermectin in my news circles.

 

[jswain34]

The long lasting health issues are that most people dont take personal responsibilities with their health.

I not ever once heard of lyermectin in my news circles.

From my experience - you’re flat wrong man. The people who are having longterm effects from this are not just unhealthy people. Ive seen several people who are telling me they still dont feel right - exercise intolerance, palpitations, fatigue - months and months after they had recovered from the acute infection. Every single one of them that ive seen has been <40 years old (2 less than 25) and were non obese and had zero signs of metabolic disease.

I know thats a personal anecdote that I cant say for sure correlates with the overall population of covid “long haulers”, but that has just been my experience so far.

 

[Misfit28]

And just think, 99% of the people wear a mask that is less effective than a ill-fitted n95 mask, and people want to bark they should keeping wearing baby naps on their face.

Looks like you’re still mixing up preventing spread to others with preventing yourself from getting it. If everybody wore “baby naps” as you call them, the shut downs would have been far less “tyrannical” and wouldn’t have lasted as long.

 

[ax1]

From my experience - you’re flat wrong man. The people who are having longterm effects from this are not just unhealthy people. Ive seen several people who are telling me they still dont feel right - exercise intolerance, palpitations, fatigue - months and months after they had recovered from the acute infection. Every single one of them that ive seen has been <40 years old (2 less than 25) and were non obese and had zero signs of metabolic disease.

I know thats a personal anecdote that I cant say for sure correlates with the overall population of covid “long haulers”, but that has just been my experience so far.

Ill have to take this into consideration, wondering how widespread it really is with healthy people.

Ive had bad flu's give me problems for a couple of months to fully recover. Been in bed for 2 weeks a couple of times then feeling right takes a long time even in young age. Im not saying your people didnt have it worse but I dunno why all the sudden getting sick is bad, I just question it. I mean maybe this is a little worse and more contagious but we live in a country that is 65% overweight so any numbers from healthy people would naturally be low.

 

[ax1]

Looks like you’re still mixing up preventing spread to others with preventing yourself from getting it. If everybody wore “baby naps” as you call them, the shut downs would have been far less “tyrannical” and wouldn’t have lasted as long.

Well, the answer simply is just no. Thats a detraction of the blame. Any government official who enforced a shutdown belongs in prison.

I dunno how effective wearning baby naps really is, I mean I think it would help Im really leaning that way but most people mishandle them and get a false sense of confidence. It could be much better with some simple precautions but its never happening even after a year, its never talked about.

Whats best is simply taking care of your health and protecting the elderly (here in NY they threw in Covid-1984 patients in nursing homes and covered up half the deaths from the public btw) and most frail and prone. Everybody else should make their own decisions based on information provided. If your worried about getting sick wear a n95 mask or stay home and you will never get sick then get the vax. /story

 

[ax1]

Looks like you’re still mixing up preventing spread to others with preventing yourself from getting it. If everybody wore “baby naps” as you call them, the shut downs would have been far less “tyrannical” and wouldn’t have lasted as long.

Where the hell you been anyways, why did you abandon me? You doing good my friend?

 

[Jiigzz]

you are ok if i don't share your enthusiasm for these vaccines?

I'm hopeful, but certainly have my concerns about virus vaccines. So I'll still get them when I can but I don't know if it will be the silver bullet we are hoping for.

 

[jswain34]

I'm hopeful, but certainly have my concerns about virus vaccines. So I'll still get them when I can but I don't know if it will be the silver bullet we are hoping for.

Look into the data coming out of Israel...it is looking great so far.

 

[Jiigzz]

I can’t argue with majority of this post.

Ivermectin in an anti microbial that is still used in the veterinary world. I personally know a family medicine Dr who informed her patients of this when they couldn’t access hydroxychloroquine. She had a lot of elderly comorbid patients and none ended up in hospital or died from covid. She also put her whole staff on hydroxychloroquine prophylactically and none of them got covid.

Hundreds of doctors will tell you these treatments work but they are suppressed. Another smoking gun in this very shady pandemic

I'm not going to pretend to be well versed in off label medicine use, but you realise there is a HUGE potential for legal ramifications if a doctor tells someone to use a medicine for an off label purpose?

How would it look if Docs starting recommending these medications and people started turning up in hospitals because of it?

 

[THOR 70]

I'm not going to pretend to be well versed in off label medicine use, but you realise there is a HUGE potential for legal ramifications if a doctor tells someone to use a medicine for an off label purpose?

How would it look if Docs starting recommending these medications and people started turning up in hospitals because of it?

Drs are well within their scope of legality to use drugs off label. They do it waaaaay more than you seem to realize. The only issue is getting a drug covered by insurance off label can be challenging, but it still happens a lot. In fact, insurance is such a bottle neck for Drs to get patients the drugs they actually need, that Drs will fabricate or alter diagnosis to allow patients access to meds. Before you get your panties in a wad about this being unethical by the doctors like I know you will, I actually think it’s valiant by them to make this effort, and it’s unethical for insurance to deny coverage if there is sound data supporting it, even if it isn’t on label.

Drs have a huge liability by just being doctors. This is why their insurance is so robust.

 

[Jiigzz]

Drs are well within their scope of legality to use drugs off label. They do it waaaaay more than you seem to realize. The only issue is getting a drug covered by insurance off label can be challenging, but it still happens a lot. In fact, insurance is such a bottle neck for Drs to get patients the drugs they actually need, that Drs will fabricate or alter diagnosis to allow patients access to meds. Before you get your panties in a wad about this being unethical by the doctors like I know you will, I actually think it’s valiant by them to make this effort, and it’s unethical for insurance to deny coverage if there is sound data supporting it, even if it isn’t on label.

Drs have a huge liability by just being doctors. This is why their insurance is so robust.

Nah I get it. Different system here, but our docs also prescribe off label of the safety data supports that use. It is drug dependent.

Kind of like Viagra being used for hypertension and erectile dysfunction

 

[kisaj]

Yeah, THOR is correct about that, and quite honestly why I like using an integrative doctor because they will go off course and even send you to a compound pharmacy to whip up something they cannot prescribe through a traditional pharmacy. Not that I need to, but my wife for instance needed a progesterone blend that we could only get there and without it, she would have been SOL. The docs will push whatever they are getting a kick back on, but certainly can go other routes, they just choose not too in most cases.

 

[Jiigzz]

Yeah, THOR is correct about that, and quite honestly why I like using an integrative doctor because they will go off course and even send you to a compound pharmacy to whip up something they cannot prescribe through a traditional pharmacy. Not that I need to, but my wife for instance needed a progesterone blend that we could only get there and without it, she would have been SOL. The docs will push whatever they are getting a kick back on, but certainly can go other routes, they just choose not too in most cases.

Yeah very different system here.

If the treatments are successful or helpful, then a doc should be able to prescribe as they see fit.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah very different system here.

If the treatments are successful or helpful, then a doc should be able to prescribe as they see fit.

should would and could...not much difference in spelling but a world of difference in usage.

 

[Ricky10]

you are ok if i don't share your enthusiasm for these vaccines?

It’s not so much enthusiasm for me as much as being realistic. These are the times we live in whether we like it or not, and the China virus is going to be right there with us whether we like it or not. No vaccine = more individual restrictions and it just might spare you from debilitating illness or worse.

Just an update on covid variants... after the UK and South African strains, they are now talking about a new Brazil strain. Super contagious, getting better at dodging immunities, yada yada....

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Oh, of course...they love to talk and keep the ball rolling. The longer the threats can be prolonged- the more opportunities Congress will have to propose “COVID relief bills” to finance their agendas.

From my experience - you’re flat wrong man. The people who are having longterm effects from this are not just unhealthy people. Ive seen several people who are telling me they still dont feel right - exercise intolerance, palpitations, fatigue - months and months after they had recovered from the acute infection. Every single one of them that ive seen has been <40 years old (2 less than 25) and were non obese and had zero signs of metabolic disease.

I know thats a personal anecdote that I cant say for sure correlates with the overall population of covid “long haulers”, but that has just been my experience so far.

Yes, I was never particularly afraid of contracting the virus myself (I’m not afraid of death regardless), but I wasn’t a huge fan of potentially having lasting complications from even a mild to moderate illness. Nobody wants that!

 

[ax1]

RIP Dr. Seuss books. What a great birthday present who would have been 117 today, completely confused and probably would have committed suicide.

 

[thebigt]

RIP Dr. Seuss books. What a great birthday present who would have been 117 today, completely confused and probably would have committed suicide.

the great reset...

 

[cheftepesh1]

the great reset...

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