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This happened while Trump was in office as well though. This isn't new.

When, during Trump's term, did China run mock attacks against an American Ship?

I realize that Russia, early on, flew by a ship, a clear sign of testing boundaries, but they were not doing mock attack drills.

Of course you are right, it isn't new. I do remember pirates attacking a certain American ship while Obama was in office for the first time in 100 years.

But I am curious about when this happened during Trump's term and look forward to being educated, sincerely.
 
When, during Trump's term, did China run mock attacks against an American Ship?

I realize that Russia, early on, flew by a ship, a clear sign of testing boundaries, but they were not doing mock attack drills.

Of course you are right, it isn't new. I do remember pirates attacking a certain American ship while Obama was in office for the first time in 100 years.

But I am curious about when this happened during Trump's term and look forward to being educated, sincerely.

Well, China did drop a little man made military love bug out of the Wuhan airport to the entire world, but there is nothing to see here lol
 
Also, big news about tensions between US and China right now.

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As long as China makes all our drugs, the USA isnt doing shyt about China. Its going to be business as usual, maybe some sanctions to make it look good in the papers for the sheep that read it that doesnt really significantly impact anything at all.
 
Well, China did drop a little man made military love bug out of the Wuhan airport to the entire world, but there is nothing to see here lol
the wuhan flu is what got biden elected---imagine that!!!
 
Well, China did drop a little man made military love bug out of the Wuhan airport to the entire world, but there is nothing to see here lol

Well, that may have been a response to them not getting their way like they used to. But I am looking and it does look like stuff in the S. China Sea has been escalating for a little under a year now. See, Jiggzz taught me something.
 
Also, kind of funny as we were just talking about it:

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Do all the network natural gas pipelines concern you at all? We have alot of problem here in the USA with that. Also, imagine some country dropping a little love bomb on a village, the entire village might blow up. Not a great strategic long term plan.

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January, 2010 to November, 2018

They found the millions of miles of pipelines in the US have resulted in the following:
  • more than 5,500 total incidents
  • almost 600 injuries
  • more than 125 fatalities
  • more than 800 fires
  • almost 300 explosions
  • more than $4 billion in damages
  • almost 30,000 people who had to be evacuated
And this does not even capture all incidents, as they explain in their report, because the data is not complete.
 
As long as China makes all our drugs, the USA isnt doing shyt about China. Its going to be business as usual, maybe some sanctions to make it look good in the papers for the sheep that read it that doesnt really significantly impact anything at all.
look at the heat trump took trying to negotiate fairer trade with china and was making headway--then came the wuhan flu and trump is gone---my tinfoil is getting tight!!!
 
Well, that may have been a response to them not getting their way like they used to. But I am looking and it does look like stuff in the S. China Sea has been escalating for a little under a year now. See, Jiggzz taught me something.
and how long have we had the wuhan flu?
 
the wuhan flu is what got biden elected---imagine that!!!

Well, I have to say it again, the Groper Joe only won because the election was stolen...but sure CCP-Virus was used and exploited during the process to create the massive election fraud.

Anyways, now that Groper Joe is in power, everybody is all about opening up the economy---imagine that!!!
 
Well, I have to say it again, the Groper Joe only won because the election was stolen...but sure CCP-Virus was used and exploited during the process to create the massive election fraud.

Anyways, now that Groper Joe is in power, everybody is all about opening up the economy---imagine that!!!
if not for the wuhan flu trump's margin of victory would have put the election out of reach....
 
Well, that may have been a response to them not getting their way like they used to. But I am looking and it does look like stuff in the S. China Sea has been escalating for a little under a year now. See, Jiggzz taught me something.

The escalation has been going on much, much longer than over a year.

Did you know they bully people, countries, airlines into adding 9 dots to all maps? You can get in trouble for not including the entire China Sea on the maps.

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look at the heat trump took trying to negotiate fairer trade with china and was making headway--then came the wuhan flu and trump is gone---my tinfoil is getting tight!!!

I remember China and Dump for the deal to be finalized before addressing the CCP-Bug.
 
Credit to post below, taken from NY Gun forum by "Haunt"

Im gambling this wont pass easy and that we are g2g, but this is certainly the direction they want to go and its in line with Groper's plans.


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Bill H.R. 127 They ARE coming for your guns!

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Invalid Link Removed READ THE ENTIRE BILL HERE

THIS BILL WIL REQUIRE EVERY GUN OWNER TO REGISTER ALL FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION


Here we have it. They are going after EVERYONE who has a gun or ammunition. They are deeply concerned about a revolution and they want to know every person who has a gun or ammunition. The object of this bill will be to identify every person who has a gun. They will be able to revoke a license and confiscate the gun under rules to be created by the Attorney General. Biden swore he would end the NRA. He was not joking. Like a diverse license, once they create this federal license, they effectively limit the Second Amendment claiming if you obey all their regulations which they can change at any time, then you have that right. But all such rights are eliminated whenever they say so.

922(dd)(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess ammunition that is 0.50 caliber or greater.

Whoever knowingly violates section
922(dd)(1) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not
more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years
and not more than 20 years, or both

‘‘(B) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(dd)(2)
shall be fined not less than $10,000 and not more than
$25,000, imprisoned not less than 1 year and not more
than 5 years, or both.’’
 
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Credit to post below, taken from NY Gun forum by "Haunt"

Im gambling this wont pass easy and that we are g2g, but this is certainly the direction they want to go and its in line with Groper's plans.


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Bill H.R. 127 They ARE coming for your guns!

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Invalid Link Removed READ THE ENTIRE BILL HERE

THIS BILL WIL REQUIRE EVERY GUN OWNER TO REGISTER ALL FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION


Here we have it. They are going after EVERYONE who has a gun or ammunition. They are deeply concerned about a revolution and they want to know every person who has a gun or ammunition. The object of this bill will be to identify every person who has a gun. They will be able to revoke a license and confiscate the gun under rules to be created by the Attorney General. Biden swore he would end the NRA. He was not joking. Like a diverse license, once they create this federal license, they effectively limit the Second Amendment claiming if you obey all their regulations which they can change at any time, then you have that right. But all such rights are eliminated whenever they say so.

922(dd)(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess ammunition that is 0.50 caliber or greater.

Whoever knowingly violates section
922(dd)(1) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not
more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years
and not more than 20 years, or both

‘‘(B) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(dd)(2)
shall be fined not less than $10,000 and not more than
$25,000, imprisoned not less than 1 year and not more
than 5 years, or both.’’
anyone who owns a gun and voted for biden needs their head examined---you hear that suburban white women!!!!
 
trump is gone he is no longer in the game, don't know why you keep bringing him up....everything that happens from january 20th going forward is all on biden.
The dude literally said that China wouldn't do it under Trump when they did lol.
 
The dude literally said that China wouldn't do it under Trump when they did lol.
lol...you miss trump already don't cha? i see cnn is still rehashing trump, i think it's freaking hilarious.
 
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I just ordered my Jewish space laser from Amazon. Had free shipping
 
China Joe is pretty insane, demented. Sniffs and molests women and kids, illegal millions from China, in Big-Pharmas pocket (see insulin) his son is a drug-addicted child-molester, 47 years in Gov'T with zero accomplished. Already killed more jobs than the Wuhun Flu. Fuel prices will sky rocket (more foreign reliance and in their pockets). Could go on and on, but thats boring and beatin' a dead horse, sort of like this thread...
 

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The escalation has been going on much, much longer than over a year.

Did you know they bully people, countries, airlines into adding 9 dots to all maps? You can get in trouble for not including the entire China Sea on the maps.

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Oh, tensions with China have been escalating for decades. I was just saying that the act of running mock attack drills on a US warship is a new level. I am not 100% they took it to this level with Trump but it appears that ships did have unsafe interactions while Trump was president...so just figured I had to walk it back a little.

Credit to post below, taken from NY Gun forum by "Haunt"

Im gambling this wont pass easy and that we are g2g, but this is certainly the direction they want to go and its in line with Groper's plans.


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Bill H.R. 127 They ARE coming for your guns!

View attachment 201861

Invalid Link Removed READ THE ENTIRE BILL HERE

THIS BILL WIL REQUIRE EVERY GUN OWNER TO REGISTER ALL FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION


Here we have it. They are going after EVERYONE who has a gun or ammunition. They are deeply concerned about a revolution and they want to know every person who has a gun or ammunition. The object of this bill will be to identify every person who has a gun. They will be able to revoke a license and confiscate the gun under rules to be created by the Attorney General. Biden swore he would end the NRA. He was not joking. Like a diverse license, once they create this federal license, they effectively limit the Second Amendment claiming if you obey all their regulations which they can change at any time, then you have that right. But all such rights are eliminated whenever they say so.

922(dd)(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to possess ammunition that is 0.50 caliber or greater.

Whoever knowingly violates section
922(dd)(1) shall be fined not less than $50,000 and not
more than $100,000, imprisoned not less than 10 years
and not more than 20 years, or both

‘‘(B) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(dd)(2)
shall be fined not less than $10,000 and not more than
$25,000, imprisoned not less than 1 year and not more
than 5 years, or both.’’

The only thing I have seen that makes me feel a little better is that, this idea has been tried before and found to be unconstitutional because he has fees associated with these registrations, which has been deemed a tax, which is an infringement on 2A rights.

The dude literally said that China wouldn't do it under Trump when they did lol.

"Let me explain something to you. Um, I am not Mr. Lebowski. You’re Mr. Lebowski. I’m the Dude. So that’s what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you’re not into the whole brevity thing."
 
I just ordered my Jewish space laser from Amazon. Had free shipping

Jewish space lazers sounds funny, but the USA has had this type of tech up there since the 70s. I doubt they used it for the california wildfires but I do know by the early 2000's they had Nikoli Tesla's death ray tech up there and they used it on 9/11.

You have to research toasted cars, the evidence is all 100% there.
 
Biden should go to war with China. I have been wanting payback for awhile, the weather is better than Mideast/Africa, and I can R&R at my home in the Philippines between gigs. Do it!!!!
 
Biden should go to war with China. I have been wanting payback for awhile, the weather is better than Mideast/Africa, and I can R&R at my home in the Philippines between gigs. Do it!!!!

As much as Id hate that, at least you would be fighting the modern day Nazi scum.

China is awesome, I think the big dream for you is to ride on a tank through Tianemen Square. There is alot of history there. and we can cover Chairman Mao's portrait up with a giant BLM flag. That can be your own Saddam's statue falling down moment, lol.
 
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I just ordered my Jewish space laser from Amazon. Had free shipping

Cars were toasted as far as 7 city blocks away.

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Jewish space lazers sounds funny, but the USA has had this type of tech up there since the 70s. I doubt they used it for the california wildfires but I do know by the early 2000's they had Nikoli Tesla's death ray tech up there and they used it on 9/11.

You have to research toasted cars, the evidence is all 100% there.
So you don't believe planes were flown into the Twin Towers?
 
So you don't believe planes were flown into the Twin Towers?

Yes WTC and PA had planes involved, the Pentagon was a missile.

Still trying to figure out how 2 planes made 3 buildings collapse in Manhattan.
 
Yes WTC and PA had planes involved, the Pentagon was a missile.

Still trying to figure out how 2 planes made 3 buildings collapse in Manhattan.
I thought the Pentagon was a plane as well....
 
I thought the Pentagon was a plane as well....

I dunno, they keep showing us all the video's of Manhattan yet the most surveilled place on earth gave us nothing until years of fighting through FIOA they released a choppy 5 frame clip.

The maneuvers by amateur pilots of passenger airlines into the Pentagon was impossible.

They took at the computer servers that were going to be audited, the day before Rumsfeld announced 2.3 trillion dollars in defense spending accounted for the day before on 9/10, this was on television....the 2.3 trillion was never bought up again. My theory is they took out those servers and called in a strike for "national security" reasons and as an additional bonus operation that day.
 
I thought the Pentagon was a plane as well....

If your into this, here is a good interesting basic discussion on the Pentagon crash. They aired this on TV once and the network was demanded to take it down and never show it again.

The video has an interview with someone from the Military working inside that building who walked out the very hole and saw everything.

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I thought the Pentagon was a plane as well....

Here is an interesting piece, the transportation secretary in the bunker with Dick Cheney under testimony in front of the 9/11 commission report revealed they knew the "plane" was coming to Washington as early as 50 miles out, nothing was done about it.

They left this out of the official 9/11 commission report book.

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Lots of bad info and theories on the internet. For example - if the Flight 77 plane didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go??? The missile theory doesn't hold up if you can't also explain a giant missing plane full of people.
 
Lots of bad info and theories on the internet. For example - if the Flight 77 plane didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go??? The missile theory doesn't hold up if you can't also explain a giant missing plane full of people.

Where are any of the 4 indestructible black boxes? Why are they hiding them and the many surveillance videos kept from public view when they force feed people the Manhattan ones over and over again?

Why did the Pentagon have only one area of impact when there should have been 3?

Why was Dick Cheney doing crap knowing a “plane” was on its way to the Pentagon as early as 50 miles out confirmed by the transportation secretary under testimony?

Where is the missing 2.3 trillion dollars?
 
Lots of bad info and theories on the internet. For example - if the Flight 77 plane didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go??? The missile theory doesn't hold up if you can't also explain a giant missing plane full of people.

The worst of theories come from NIST and the government.

You should look for real scientific evidence and check out Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth movement.
 
Lots of bad info and theories on the internet. For example - if the Flight 77 plane didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go??? The missile theory doesn't hold up if you can't also explain a giant missing plane full of people.

Operation Mockingbird...keep in mind the government will also load disinformation to discredit legitimate science on the internet as wacko’s so the sheep keep feeding themselves the official stories to themselves from only “reputable” journalists reading teleprompter messages typed from the unDefense department out of the Pentagon.
 
The worst of theories come from NIST and the government.

You should look for real scientific evidence and check out Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth movement.


But Ax.... if a missile hit the Pentagon, then in your theory WHERE is the missing fight 77? Where did it land?

(*PS - I am an architectural engineer... Penn State 1992)
 
But Ax.... if a missile hit the Pentagon, then in your theory WHERE is the missing fight 77? Where did it land?

(*PS - I am an architectural engineer... Penn State 1992)

We don’t know everything, that’s for sure. More questions than answers. A plane may have been as they claim but it could have been a flyover. They need to unclassify the surveillance footage, also there is no reason not to and hand over the black box to an independent group, yes they claimed they have the Pentagon one but they are pretending it’s broken, lol

They said people were calling their families from the flight over PA with their cell phones over the middle of nowhere, LMFAO in 2001 cell tower technology?!?!
 
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But Ax.... if a missile hit the Pentagon, then in your theory WHERE is the missing fight 77? Where did it land?

(*PS - I am an architectural engineer... Penn State 1992)

As an engineer you would be best to investigate building 7 collapse via controlled demolition and the group I suggested. Other than that your call of course Building 7 is most definitive.
 
But Ax.... if a missile hit the Pentagon, then in your theory WHERE is the missing fight 77? Where did it land?

(*PS - I am an architectural engineer... Penn State 1992)

Another question to ask is why did CokDock Cheney take over NORAD earlier that morning and had war jets scrambled over the Atlantic as he was being informed that the plane was heading to the Capital?
 
Ax - to doubt a plane hit the pentagon, you create a storyline even more complicated, more unlikely, even more difficult to prove. It's a logic process going in the wrong direction.

For example - what kind of missile would do that much damage at Pentagon? And what launched it (air or ground) from what distance? How do you hide/explain the launch vehicle? Someone would then have had to plant bits of plane wreckage, charred appropriately. And a giant plane full of people had to land somewhere else. Or crash into the sea.

So if you were going to go through all that to crash a plane and hide that evidence, to cover a missile attack that can't be explained any better... why would they not just crash the plane into the pentagon. See?

Especially since we KNOW planes crashed into the twin towers. It's not all that much different.

It's like those internet groups arguing that the earth is flat, without explaining why all the other planets are spheres. Or arguing that we never landed on the moon, without explaining the reflective disk and old rover tracks that we can see on the surface now with high resolution satellites.

If building 7 was taken down with controlled demolition, how would that fit in with the planes hitting the towers? Are people suggesting the entire attack on the twin towers was just a cover to take down building 7 to hide CIA schemes and gold???

The alternate theory just needs to stand up to the same intellectual scrutiny.
 
Ax - to doubt a plane hit the pentagon, you create a storyline even more complicated, more unlikely, even more difficult to prove. It's a logic process going in the wrong direction.

Its even more difficult to prove the Pentagon was hit by a plane, its a ridiculous lie, LMFAO you really believe a caveman can fly a plane like that? And also, Dick knowingly did nothing as it was going to hit it?

If the plane hit the Pentagon and Im going to buy that theory, I may as well join Qanon.
 
For example - what kind of missile would do that much damage at Pentagon? And what launched it (air or ground) from what distance? How do you hide/explain the launch vehicle? Someone would then have had to plant bits of plane wreckage, charred appropriately. And a giant plane full of people had to land somewhere else. Or crash into the sea.

Your trying to make this more complicated that what it is and discredit the most basic information available that way.
 
So if you were going to go through all that to crash a plane and hide that evidence, to cover a missile attack that can't be explained any better... why would they not just crash the plane into the pentagon. See?

Because it is an impossible maneuver for most professional pilots, and to think some amateur caveman did it without even learning to land a plane is as ridiculous as thinking the tooth fairy will leave me money under my pillow.
 
It's like those internet groups arguing that the earth is flat, without explaining why all the other planets are spheres. Or arguing that we never landed on the moon, without explaining the reflective disk and old rover tracks that we can see on the surface now with high resolution satellites.

If building 7 was taken down with controlled demolition, how would that fit in with the planes hitting the towers? Are people suggesting the entire attack on the twin towers was just a cover to take down building 7 to hide CIA schemes and gold???

The alternate theory just needs to stand up to the same intellectual scrutiny.

Now you sound like the CIA and working to discredit legitimate political and scientific evidence by associating it with the ridiculous instead of proving Im wrong.

I dont know why building 7 was taken down, I do know it housed the FBI and CIA and it was an incredibly solid structure and for "fires" to have collapsed it in its entirety at free fall speed is a scientific impossibility. Also, independent scientists traced explosive chemicals at the scene, NIST claims it didnt even bother trying. For building 7 to go down as it did, its is COMPLETELY impossible, that I can say with absolute certainty.

I know there is missing gold in the basement of WTC7, there was a big insurance policy (Larry Siliverstein the owner is on record calling to pull the building) and there was also insider trading involved. I mean I really dont know these are things to investigate and we will never know all the answers.

Hey, what if I told you 4 hairy cavemen are going to pull off the biggest attack on the worlds greatest military superpower, hijack 4 planes and hit its main headquarters the most secure place on earth and crash 4 planes in one day? Now, thats a fairy-tale. Duh, lets fly our war jets over the Atlantic while the plane is hitting the Pentagon, duh du duh du duh duh

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AX - So while the same cavemen are crashing planes into the twin towers, and a PA field, and one more plane hijacked and heading to DC.... you don't think THAT one could have hit the pentagon? Yet a missile you believe?

BUT you can't begin to explain what kind of missile, who launched it, or how. Or where the extra hijacked plane went instead. You can't even try? Not even a guess to support your hypothesis. Nothing? Just the double secret CIA/gold stuff and a dick Cheney head fake? I am disapponted....

I like conspiracies, but there needs to be some supporting logic. Something!
 
AX - So while terrorists are crashing planes into the twin towers, and a PA field, and one more plane hijacked and heading to DC.... you don't think THAT one could have hit the pentagon? Yet a missile you believe?

BUT you can't begin to explain what kind of missile, who launched it, or how. Or where the extra hijacked plane went instead. You can't even try? Not even a guess to support your hypothesis. Nothing? Just the double secret CIA/gold stuff and a dick Cheney head fake? I am disapponted....

I like conspiracies, but there needs to be some supporting logic. Something!

I believe it was a missile, yes....plane, possible, inside job, 100% probable.

We arent going to have all the answers, we know there are things that happened that day that were clearly not along with the official story, thats the truth and not finding the answers just keeps the investigation alive. Not solving a murder case for example doesnt mean the murder didnt happen. And the evidence is more scientifically clearly found starting with WTC7 building which normally opens people up to other areas.
 

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AX - So while the same cavemen are crashing planes into the twin towers, and a PA field, and one more plane hijacked and heading to DC.... you don't think THAT one could have hit the pentagon? Yet a missile you believe?

BUT you can't begin to explain what kind of missile, who launched it, or how. Or where the extra hijacked plane went instead. You can't even try? Not even a guess to support your hypothesis. Nothing? Just the double secret CIA/gold stuff and a dick Cheney head fake? I am disapponted....

I like conspiracies, but there needs to be some supporting logic. Something!

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Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Written by Chris Sarns
Wednesday, 08 May 2013 18:51
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Editor’s note: To this day most people, including many architects and engineers, are not aware that a third skyscraper, World Trade Center Building 7, mysteriously collapsed along with the World Trade Center Twin Towers on September 11, 2001. The official report on this building’s collapse by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has been challenged by many reputable and credentialed technical professionals. The NIST analysis has not undergone the rigors of scientific peer review – the typical pathway for validating significant scientific theories. Chris Sarns’ research appears in Dr. David Ray Griffin’s book titled Invalid Link Removed."

The studies below represent years of work by Chris in unraveling some of the most glaring inconsistencies and outright frauds in the NIST report on World Trade Center 7. He demonstrates that the NIST’s theory of the fire-induced collapse of Building 7 is faulty and misleading.

The destruction of this skyscraper on September 11 was truly unprecedented in the history of high-rise buildings. More than 1,900 architects and engineers at Invalid Link Removed are demanding a new investigation.

Chris has also been deeply involved in the work of Invalid Link Removed, where he provides his expertise on WTC 7.

During the next five months, we will be presenting five articles written by Chris Sarns that address the alleged fire-induced collapse of World Trade Center 7 at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001.

Quotes from the NIST WTC 7 report are shown in "brown"

1. BURNED-OUT FIRE

The timing of the fire on floor 12 exposes NIST's false claim that fire led to the collapse.


The images shown below on the left are Sarns' approximations using the photogrpahs as a guide of where and at what times the fire existed on floor 12. On the right is the NIST ANSYS computer model for the same times.

"Note that only window glass breaking times were prescribed in the fire model. The observed fire activity gleaned from the photographs and video were not a model input" NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.2 p. 378 [pdf p. 40]

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Fire spread:


"On those floors that were mostly subdivided into offices (such as Floors 11 and 12), the fire would have grown within a single office, reaching flashover within several minutes. After about 5 to 15 min, the ceiling tile system would have failed from the heat, and the hot air would have flowed over the office wall. Soon the hot air would fail the ceiling of an adjacent office, and eventually the thermal radiation would ignite the contents in this office. Fire spread would have been similar for offices separated by a corridor, although this would have taken longer, since the hot air would have to travel further and would be cooling along the way." NCSTAR 1A p. 19 [pdf p. 61]

"The mass of the furnishings per office was not known" NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.1 p. 60 [pdf p.104]

"the average combustible fuel load on the 11th and 12th floors was estimated as 32 kg/m2" NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.2 p. 376 [pdf p.38]

All things being equal, the fire would have spread consistently. But the NIST ANSYS computer model (above) inexplicably bypassed the offices to the southwest of column 79, burns around column 79 on the east side and then burned the offices to the southwest of column 79 two hours later.

"Fires on Floors 11 to 13 persisted in any given location for approximately 20 min to 30 min." NCSTAR 1A p. 47 [pdf p. 89]

Photos showing progression of fire:

"From 11:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. Looking from southeast corner to the south face.

Fire on floor 12;[1] area above covered with smoke

Fire on floors 11-12[1] moved to east face and progressed to the north

[1] fires reported on floor 14, but photographs showed east face fires on floor 12." Part IIC p. 21

Fire was first seen on the 12th floor at 2:08 p.m. toward the south end of the east face. Further south on this face, the window glass was still intact, indicating that this fire had burned in the building interior as it turned the southeast corner." NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.1 p. 245 [pdf p. 289]
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Figure 5-114. Oblique view of the east face of WTC 7, taken at 2:08:28 p.m. +/- 1s

"By around 2:30 p.m., the visible flames had diminished, but the fire had spread both south into the southeast corner and north, reaching two-thirds of the way to the northeast corner." NCSTAR IA, p. 20 [pdf p. 62]
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Figure 5-117. Photograph showing fires on the east face at 2:28:43 p.m. +/- 1s [34, 37 and 40 are column numbers]

Fire first appears on the north face of floor 12 about 80 feet from the north-east corner:

"By 3:00 p.m., the fire had spread internally past the northeast corner and onto the north face." NCSTAR 1A p. 20 [pdf p.62]

The fire spread internally through the offices around column 79 and under the beams which allegedly underwent enough thermal expanion to push a girder off its seat and initiate the "global collapse" at 5:20 p.m.

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Figure 5-119. Photograph showing the north face of WTC 7 taken from a helicopter around 2:57 p.m. +/- 5 min

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Figure 5-121. Cropped photograph of the north face of WTC 7, taken from a helicopter around 3:05 p.m. +/- 5 min

“In less than 15 min, the fire simultaneously spread rapidly to the east to engulf the northeast corner of the floor and more slowly westward about one-third of the way across the north face.” NCSTAR 1a P. 20 [PDF P.62]
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Figure 5-135. Cropped photograph showing the east edge of the north face and an oblique view of the east face. It was likely taken between 3:20 p.m. and 3:40 p.m.

"The fire continued spreading westward in starts and stops, approaching the northwest corner of the floor around 3:45 p.m." NCSTAR 1A p. 20 [pdf p. 62]
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Figure 5-136. Frame taken from a video shot from near the corner of Greenwich Street and Park Place showing the north face of WTC 7 between 3:49 p.m. and 3:54 p.m.

The photographs reveal that the fire on floor 12 had progressed from the south side of the building to the north side by 3:00 p.m. – and had engulfed the northeast corner by about 3:15 p.m. This means that the fire in the area in question (around column 79 and under the beams and girder in the northeast corner) had burned out at about 3:50, because as noted above, the fires burned for only about 20 to 30 minutes in any given location.

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NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.1 and 2
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Part IIC
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Next month we will examine what Chris Sarns has described as "MAGICAL THERMAL EXPANSION" because NIST used numerous unscientific methods and fraudulent inputs to get the key girder that allegedly initiated the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 to fail in its computer simulation. Be sure to check back next month for the continuation of this exceptional analysis.

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As an architectural engineer, I will tell you that fires take down steel buildings. It doesn't have to melt the steel, just weaken the steel enough where it yields/buckles and then collapses. Each column that buckles adds weight to other columns until they buckle too.

Fire protection of steel is junk. Its meant to give about an hour of protection. Just to give people time to evacuate, not to save the building.

If a building has a fire for more than an hour, I don't think its any mystery why the building collapsed.

If a building was hit by a big missile, you have to explain where it came from. Or at least try. Otherwise it's Santa Claus delivering presents kind of magic....
 
The fallacy in your conspiracy theory is the idea that cavemen flew the planes. Are you saying that Arabs aren’t capable of learning to fly? You think they were people living in caves from the outer reaches of society or western educated radicals from civilized GCC countries?
 
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