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[thebigt]

Then stop pretending that most are occurring that way. 1.2% occur after the 21st week and if you want to bring that number down, only one thing has been proven to work: access to clinics for birth control and abortions. If Republicans want to take away access to both (and I'm not just talking about welfare but screwing people over on insurance as well) then more abortions are going to occur and they will happen later as people need to save up and find a clinic.

unlike many republicans I am for birth control...I am even for the abortion pill....I would like to be able to say the same about unwanted pregnancies as I do about drunk driving-there is no excuse for it, I pray for that day to come.

 

[Aleksandar37]

unlike many republicans I am for birth control...I am even for the abortion pill....I would like to be able to say the same about unwanted pregnancies as I do about drunk driving-there is no excuse for it, I pray for that day to come.

You can pray all you want, but unwanted pregnancies don't just happen to people that have access to birth control. Drunk drivers aren't being force fed beer and shoved in a car, so the comparison isn't really accurate. If a 13 year old girl who is so poor that she thinks $10 is a lot of money gets raped and impregnated by her father and is threatened and forced to hide her pregnancy until a cousin discovers it and gets her to a clinic in her second or third trimester, are you really going to say she should have used a condom?

This isn't an easy topic and people are going exploit the system no matter what it is, but of course there are excuses for unwanted pregnancies. And there are excuses why some people have to wait or decide later. A woman wanting to keep the abortion off of her insurance or she lives in the middle of nowhere and needs time and money to plan a "vacation." A single woman living paycheck to paycheck breaks up with the guy who got her pregnant and loses her job. A married woman whose husband dies in a car accident and she can't afford to or doesn't want to raise a kid by herself.

 

[thebigt]

You can pray all you want, but unwanted pregnancies don't just happen to people that have access to birth control. Drunk drivers aren't being force fed beer and shoved in a car, so the comparison isn't really accurate. If a 13 year old girl who is so poor that she thinks $10 is a lot of money gets raped and impregnated by her father and is threatened and forced to hide her pregnancy until a cousin discovers it and gets her to a clinic in her second or third trimester, are you really going to say she should have used a condom?

This isn't an easy topic and people are going exploit the system no matter what it is, but of course there are excuses for unwanted pregnancies. And there are excuses why some people have to wait or decide later. A woman wanting to keep the abortion off of her insurance or she lives in the middle of nowhere and needs time and money to plan a "vacation." A single woman living paycheck to paycheck breaks up with the guy who got her pregnant and loses her job. A married woman whose husband dies in a car accident and she can't afford to or doesn't want to raise a kid by herself.

and what is the percentage of times abortions occur due to those circumstances...maybe 1.3%? did you look at percentage of women who have had 3 or more abortions?

just like drunk driving, abortion isn't going anywhere, doesn't mean I won't pray for the end to both.

 

[ax1]

and what is the percentage of times abortions occur due to those circumstances...maybe 1.3%? did you look at percentage of women who have had 3 or more abortions?

just like drunk driving, abortion isn't going anywhere, doesn't mean I won't pray for the end to both.

Numbers would be naturally lower to since there are already established federal laws such as The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.

 

[Aleksandar37]

and what is the percentage of times abortions occur due to those circumstances...maybe 1.3%? did you look at percentage of women who have had 3 or more abortions?

just like drunk driving, abortion isn't going anywhere, doesn't mean I won't pray for the end to both.

Yep, screw actual data based on real life. Let's just make **** up and put "imo" at the end of the sentence to make it true.

 

[thebigt]

Yep, screw actual data based on real life. Let's just make **** up and put "imo" at the end of the sentence to make it true.

ok, fair enough...what is percentage of women who have had at least 3 abortions?

 

[thebigt]

to VA lt governor fairfax....sucks being accused with no corroboration-eh.

 

[Aleksandar37]

ok, fair enough...what is percentage of women who have had at least 3 abortions?

Are you asking what percentage of women having abortions have had three or more? It says in the link that in 2015 that was 8.2% of abortions. Women who had three or more previous live births made up 14.2% of abortions.

"n 2015, women with one or more previous live births accounted for 59.3% of abortions, and women with no previous live births accounted for 40.7%. Women with one or more previous induced abortions accounted for 43.6% of abortions, and women with no previous abortion accounted for 56.3%. Women with three or more previous births accounted for 14.2% of abortions, and women with three or more previous abortions accounted for 8.2% of abortions."

 

[rascal14]

give it a break...there are too many ways for prevention plus there is a abortion pill. a abortion just for the sake of not wanting a child should be made way before 25th week.

hey man, when is the mother a mother-before or after the abortion?

And these things still fail? Are you saying all females and children capable of birthing a child should take hormones, just in case they get raped? It would be different if the push was for regulation, but the push is to BAN abortion and make it equivelant to murder overall, it's ridiculous.

are also trying to get rid of Planned Parenthood, the one way thousands of women do exactly what you say they should, take a pill to prevent pregnancy.

 

[Aleksandar37]

to VA lt governor fairfax....sucks being accused with no corroboration-eh.

That whole thing is a mess. But like the others, if there is evidence, let's see it in front of a judge. If not, there isn't a case.

 

[Jiigzz]

If someone is raped you can also say they had the responsibility to take a pregnancy test way before the 20 week mark. It only makes sense to want to know as horrible as the situation already is.

If NONE of you have ever been raped- you are in no position to tell someone how they should behave after they have been raped.

What you guys are doing is classic victim blaming.

Do you know what rape does to people? Do you think they just say, "ah well, ive just been raped, time to get a pregnancy test".

No. And if you think that's what it's like, you have your mind seriously shrouded in privilege. You do NOT know what it's like for a rape victim, so do not even PRETEND to understand. You don't understand.

Some people refuse to accept that they have been raped. I had a friend who could not leave her home after she was raped. She would get anxious to the point of vomitting. She couldnt eat, sleep or work. Some guy took away her right to be safe and feel safe and now you're trying to say, "well just get it tested".

Do you know what revictimisation is?

Do you know how hard it would be for someone like her to go in to a doctor's or supermarket, picking up a pregnancy test for that time she got raped? That makes her relive that entire experience.

You are in no position to tell someone what they should do after they have been raped, period.

I work in a place where we deal with victims of a lot of crimes, and the effect it has on their lives is staggering. Is incomprehensible to someone who hasn't gone through it. Rape destroys lives. It destroys relationships.

Ask any girl old enough to get into bars if they have been sexually assaulted by a male while there and i guarantee you most will say they have been.

As a male, like all of you, you don't understand what that is like.

 

[ax1]

If NONE of you have ever been raped- you are in no position to tell someone how they should behave after they have been raped.

What you guys are doing is classic victim blaming.

Do you know what rape does to people? Do you think they just say, "ah well, ive just been raped, time to get a pregnancy test".

No. And if you think that's what it's like, you have your mind seriously shrouded in privilege. You do NOT know what it's like for a rape victim, so do not even PRETEND to understand. You don't understand.

Some people refuse to accept that they have been raped. I had a friend who could not leave her home after she was raped. She would get anxious to the point of vomitting. She couldnt eat, sleep or work. Some guy took away her right to be safe and feel safe and now you're trying to say, "well just get it tested".

Do you know what revictimisation is?

Do you know how hard it would be for someone like her to go in to a doctor's or supermarket, picking up a pregnancy test for that time she got raped? That makes her relive that entire experience.

You are in no position to tell someone what they should do after they have been raped, period.

I work in a place where we deal with victims of a lot of crimes, and the effect it has on their lives is staggering. Is incomprehensible to someone who hasn't gone through it. Rape destroys lives. It destroys relationships.

Ask any girl old enough to get into bars if they have been sexually assaulted by a male while there and i guarantee you most will say they have been.

As a male, like all of you, you don't understand what that is like.

That’s like saying if none of you had ever been murdered you are not in position to tell someone if they have a right to live or not.

 

[Jiigzz]

That’s like saying if none of you had ever been murdered you are not in position to tell someone if they have a right to live or not.

That doesn't make sense.

You are judging someone who has been raped for a decision they are making that doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form. If you have not been raped, then who are you to say, "just go get a test, it's so simple!"

All we do is judge people for their actions, yet show no compassion to those who have been severely wronges by others.

If someone is the victim of an armed robbery, you don't just say, "ah well just get over it!"

It's easy to tell someone how to behave when they were not first the victims of a crime.

If you are ever the victim of a heinous crime, God forbid, then i sure hope you don't have someone on the internet telling you how you should act or behave afterward.

 

[Jiigzz]

FWIW i agree that late term abortions are monstrous

 

[ax1]

FWIW i agree that late term abortions are monstrous

That’s my primary concern my friend...everything else you say sounds fair to me.

Do you get to watch the Dump State of the Union live in NZ? It’s going to be great theater...unfortunately that’s all it is though.

 

[Jiigzz]

That’s my primary concern my friend...everything else you say sounds fair to me.

Do you get to watch the Dump State of the Union live in NZ? It’s going to be great theater...unfortunately that’s all it is though.

...yeah i know. Went a bit OTT but only because knowing the impact of it has made me so angry when i think about it.

I didn't even know that was a thing. I might check it out haha

 

[ax1]

...yeah i know. Went a bit OTT but only because knowing the impact of it has made me so angry when i think about it.

I didn't even know that was a thing. I might check it out haha

They make a big deal out of it here, takes up most of every mainstream TV channel. What’s funny is everybody in Congress, Senate, etc...gets a transcript beforehand of what’s read on the telepromter so they get a chance to pre plan of when to clap or when to make angry funny faces since they will all be shown in TV. It’s all silliness. Nothing meaningful is ever said and 4th graders can understand it.

 

[thebigt]

And these things still fail? Are you saying all females and children capable of birthing a child should take hormones, just in case they get raped? It would be different if the push was for regulation, but the push is to BAN abortion and make it equivelant to murder overall, it's ridiculous.

are also trying to get rid of Planned Parenthood, the one way thousands of women do exactly what you say they should, take a pill to prevent pregnancy.

i'm not saying anyone has to do anything...what I am saying is if you choose to have sex there are ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

I also never said anything about getting rid of planned parenthood, if I did show me where?

 

[thebigt]

You can pray all you want, but unwanted pregnancies don't just happen to people that have access to birth control. Drunk drivers aren't being force fed beer and shoved in a car, so the comparison isn't really accurate. If a 13 year old girl who is so poor that she thinks $10 is a lot of money gets raped and impregnated by her father and is threatened and forced to hide her pregnancy until a cousin discovers it and gets her to a clinic in her second or third trimester, are you really going to say she should have used a condom?

This isn't an easy topic and people are going exploit the system no matter what it is, but of course there are excuses for unwanted pregnancies. And there are excuses why some people have to wait or decide later. A woman wanting to keep the abortion off of her insurance or she lives in the middle of nowhere and needs time and money to plan a "vacation." A single woman living paycheck to paycheck breaks up with the guy who got her pregnant and loses her job. A married woman whose husband dies in a car accident and she can't afford to or doesn't want to raise a kid by herself.

which of those circumstances does a woman having 3rd or more abortion fall into?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

which of those circumstances does a woman having 3rd or more abortion fall into?

What does that have to do with adding the exemption for cases of rape though? If someone who has had two abortions for whatever reasons already is raped should they not be allowed a third abortion? The point being made is that there has to be some logical exceptions to the general laws, such as when it’s a danger to the mother or rape. Such cases may be a small minority, but should still be included in the law. What are you even arguing man? If you agree with adding the exemptions for medical/rape cases, then what does third-time abortions have to do with ANYTHING? We get it, you don’t like abortions, and some people do abuse them as a form of birth control. That’s not what ANYONE here is talking about though...

 

[thebigt]

That whole thing is a mess. But like the others, if there is evidence, let's see it in front of a judge. If not, there isn't a case.

I thought at the time that the whole guilty without evidence thing with Kavanaugh would come back to bite men on the arse.


I take no joy in avenatti and now Fairfax being victim to this, it was [is] a huge disservice to men in general.


I think those men who were so quick to condemn Kavanaugh with no evidence should look back with regret on the harm it has done.

 

[Aleksandar37]

which of those circumstances does a woman having 3rd or more abortion fall into?

Where are you moving the goalposts to next? You said there is no excuse for unplanned pregnancy and I gave you several. Now you're talking about people that have a 3rd abortion. What's the point of this question other to avoid admitting that your statement was wrong?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Where are you moving the goalposts to next? You said there is no excuse for unplanned pregnancy and I gave you several. Now you're talking about people that have a 3rd abortion. What's the point of this question other to avoid admitting that your statement was wrong?

I asked that question first .

 

[Aleksandar37]

I thought at the time that the whole guilty without evidence thing with Kavanaugh would come back to bite men on the arse.


I take no joy in avenatti and now Fairfax being victim to this, it was [is] a huge disservice to men in general.


I think those men who were so quick to condemn Kavanaugh with no evidence should look back with regret on the harm it has done.

Since when are you an advocate for evidence? You condemn people and things all the time without evidence, sometimes even after presented with conflicting evidence. You're already saying one side is the victim and the evidence or lack of evidence hasn't been fully exposed yet. People need to stop thinking that attacking toxic masculinity (I hate the term, but it's the one being used) means stopping men from being men. The point is to stop acting like an ******* and expecting to get away with it. And if people (not you) have egos so fragile that they get offended when somebody else they've never met gets accused of something, then they're not a man.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I asked that question first .

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[muscleupcrohn]

Since when are you an advocate for evidence? You condemn people and things all the time without evidence, sometimes even after presented with conflicting evidence. You're already saying one side is the victim and the evidence or lack of evidence hasn't been fully exposed yet. People need to stop thinking that attacking toxic masculinity (I hate the term, but it's the one being used) means stopping men from being men. The point is to stop acting like an ******* and expecting to get away with it. And if people (not you) have egos so fragile that they get offended when somebody else they've never met gets accused of something, then they're not a man.

Toxic masculinity is a stupid term, and I do agree that a lot of men do do stupid things that they definitely shouldn’t, but there are also some cases when things that are benign are condemned as tools of “oppression” and the “patriarchy” like “manspreading” and “mansplaining.”

TL;DR: any extreme, left or right, is stupid

But let’s get back on topic, since you and I are both in agreement and waiting for an answer about what third time abortions have to do with specific exemptions.

 

[thebigt]

Where are you moving the goalposts to next? You said there is no excuse for unplanned pregnancy and I gave you several. Now you're talking about people that have a 3rd abortion. What's the point of this question other to avoid admitting that your statement was wrong?

I was wrong, there are excuses for unplanned pregnancy ...

....ok, now that goalposts have been moved what is excuse for 3 or more abortions?

 

[thebigt]

Since when are you an advocate for evidence? You condemn people and things all the time without evidence, sometimes even after presented with conflicting evidence. You're already saying one side is the victim and the evidence or lack of evidence hasn't been fully exposed yet. People need to stop thinking that attacking toxic masculinity (I hate the term, but it's the one being used) means stopping men from being men. The point is to stop acting like an ******* and expecting to get away with it. And if people (not you) have egos so fragile that they get offended when somebody else they've never met gets accused of something, then they're not a man.

whoa dude...I was the one who defended avenatti, and said we need to wait for the whole story!!!

also when presented evidence to contrary I have changed my view...just recently I changed my view on death penalty.

 

[thebigt]

Toxic masculinity is a stupid term, and I do agree that a lot of men do do stupid things that they definitely shouldn’t, but there are also some cases when things that are benign are condemned as tools of “oppression” and the “patriarchy” like “manspreading” and “mansplaining.”

TL;DR: any extreme, left or right, is stupid

But let’s get back on topic, since you and I are both in agreement and waiting for an answer about what third time abortions have to do with specific exemptions.

toxic masculinity is a stupid term, on that we can and do agree!!!

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I was wrong, there are excuses for unplanned pregnancy ...

....ok, now that goalposts have been moved what is excuse for 3 or more abortions?

Who said there is an excuse? But if they keep them before whatever the reasonable cutoff period of time is, what is your proposed alternative? “Ok lady, we see you’ve had two abortions already, you have no job, and no family or spouse, but you can’t have this third non-late-term abortion because the limit is two.” Good luck having this kid who you will undoubtably not be able to support and will either live in abject poverty and neglect, be on a ton of welfare, or be put up for adoption, assuming the mother doesn’t drink and/or do drugs during the pregnancy they are now forced to finish that they do not want. I don’t think there’s an easy answer to this.

 

[ax1]

Who said there is an excuse? But if they keep them before whatever the reasonable cutoff period of time is, what is your proposed alternative? “Ok lady, we see you’ve had two abortions already, you have no job, and no family or spouse, but you can’t have this third non-late-term abortion because the limit is two.” Good luck having this kid who you will undoubtably not be able to support and will either live in abject poverty and neglect, be on a ton of welfare, or be put up for adoption, assuming the mother doesn’t drink and/or do drugs during the pregnancy they are now forced to finish that they do not want. I don’t think there’s an easy answer to this.

Cut half the non-sense defense budget we can create super duper special orphanages with top of the line education, meals, room board etc....we would have billions left over and certain to have some special kids come out of the group and every kid having a opportunity to grow up well. No, Im not a socialist but if government wants to steal my money at gun point so they can slaughter children and babies overseas for profit and grow opium giving it to gangs and flying them over the border in CIA planes Id rather have it going to a elite orphanage society.

 

[thebigt]

Who said there is an excuse? But if they keep them before whatever the reasonable cutoff period of time is, what is your proposed alternative? “Ok lady, we see you’ve had two abortions already, you have no job, and no family or spouse, but you can’t have this third non-late-term abortion because the limit is two.” Good luck having this kid who you will undoubtably not be able to support and will either live in abject poverty and neglect, be on a ton of welfare, or be put up for adoption, assuming the mother doesn’t drink and/or do drugs during the pregnancy they are now forced to finish that they do not want. I don’t think there’s an easy answer to this.

we agree again, there is no easy answer...

just like paying for a guy to go to drug rehab and a month later he is back on drugs...he wants us to pay for him to go to drug rehab again, and again, and again....if we don't let him go to drug rehab repeatedly he overdoses and dies, now we feel guilty?

 

[Aleksandar37]

Toxic masculinity is a stupid term, and I do agree that a lot of men do do stupid things that they definitely shouldn’t, but there are also some cases when things that are benign are condemned as tools of “oppression” and the “patriarchy” like “manspreading” and “mansplaining.”

TL;DR: any extreme, left or right, is stupid

But let’s get back on topic, since you and I are both in agreement and waiting for an answer about what third time abortions have to do with specific exemptions.

Condemned by a minority of people that talk loud and get amplified through the news media and social media. I can go on any college campuses and probably find somebody that wants to give all the world's money to the poor and I can probably find somebody who thinks the poor should be killed off. Both are extremes, but neither matters until we're told that they matter by people that profit from drama.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I was wrong, there are excuses for unplanned pregnancy ...

....ok, now that goalposts have been moved what is excuse for 3 or more abortions?

I have no clue so it would just be guessing. My guess would be it's somebody that uses it as birth control or somebody that is being forced to against her will. What percentage those fall into I have no idea. There will always be people that exploit a system and ruin it for others. People who are against a system will present the minority that exploits it as the majority. Most gun owners don't kill innocent people, but some do. Some kill 3 or more times. Is the answer banning guns?

 

[Aleksandar37]

whoa dude...I was the one who defended avenatti, and said we need to wait for the whole story!!!

also when presented evidence to contrary I have changed my view...just recently I changed my view on death penalty.

I know you defended him, but you're also calling this new dude a victim when we don't know anything yet to make that call. Not every guy now that gets accused is a victim being blamed for money or political gain. That's just as bad as automatically assigning guilt. And I saw you indeed change your view on the death penalty. It hurt a little to see you siding with liberal views

 

[thebigt]

I have no clue so it would just be guessing. My guess would be it's somebody that uses it as birth control or somebody that is being forced to against her will. What percentage those fall into I have no idea. There will always be people that exploit a system and ruin it for others. People who are against a system will present the minority that exploits it as the majority. Most gun owners don't kill innocent people, but some do. Some kill 3 or more times. Is the answer banning guns?

I respect this...nice post.

 

[Aleksandar37]

we agree again, there is no easy answer...

just like paying for a guy to go to drug rehab and a month later he is back on drugs...he wants us to pay for him to go to drug rehab again, and again, and again....if we don't let him go to drug rehab repeatedly he overdoses and dies, now we feel guilty?

Just to be clear, I'm not at all for paying for people's abortions or rehab. I just don't agree with messing with people's insurance though to prevent insurance paying for it. If insurance can pay for boner pills, it can pay for what happens because of them too.

 

[thebigt]

I know you defended him, but you're also calling this new dude a victim when we don't know anything yet to make that call. Not every guy now that gets accused is a victim being blamed for money or political gain. That's just as bad as automatically assigning guilt. And I saw you indeed change your view on the death penalty. It hurt a little to see you siding with liberal views

this new guy might end up being a bad guy, but until we see evidence we have to presume he is innocent. I just wish Kavanaugh would have been given that presumption of innocence, since no evidence was given to the contrary.

I don't think of it as siding with a liberal view, jiigzz presented a very strong case and after a little research I agreed....I look at it as siding on the side of RIGHT, lol.

 

[thebigt]

Just to be clear, I'm not at all for paying for people's abortions or rehab. I just don't agree with messing with people's insurance though to prevent insurance paying for it. If insurance can pay for boner pills, it can pay for what happens because of them too.

I think that is why many pro-life people are against planned parenthood? I am only speculating but planned parenthood is still at least partially government funded?

tbh, I think planned parenthood is a necessary evil, a lot of those women you cited as examples are more than likely using planned parenthood?


the whole abortion debate is more emotion than logic, at least for me...I cant seem to find solid ground that fits every circumstance.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Condemned by a minority of people that talk loud and get amplified through the news media and social media. I can go on any college campuses and probably find somebody that wants to give all the world's money to the poor and I can probably find somebody who thinks the poor should be killed off. Both are extremes, but neither matters until we're told that they matter by people that profit from drama.

That’s true. I’m just saying that the minority of people who are vocal on both sides are stupid. I think we can agree to that, and it’s probably best to not get involved in their “debating,” if you can even call it that.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I have no clue so it would just be guessing. My guess would be it's somebody that uses it as birth control or somebody that is being forced to against her will. What percentage those fall into I have no idea. There will always be people that exploit a system and ruin it for others. People who are against a system will present the minority that exploits it as the majority. Most gun owners don't kill innocent people, but some do. Some kill 3 or more times. Is the answer banning guns?

If you shoot someone more than twice in separate crimes (not self defense) you should be spending decades behind bars. It may not stop them all, but it’d at least stop them from yet another shooting. But that’s a different topic entirely.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I think that is why many pro-life people are against planned parenthood? I am only speculating but planned parenthood is still at least partially government funded?

tbh, I think planned parenthood is a necessary evil, a lot of those women you cited as examples are more than likely using planned parenthood?


the whole abortion debate is more emotion than logic, at least for me...I cant seem to find solid ground that fits every circumstance.

I think a lot pro-life people are against planned parenthood because of misinformation or lack of information and it's not necessarily their fault since there are so many places that claim to be telling the truth. I think some imagine there's just a dude sitting there with a wire hanger and that is all they do. I've gone to planned parenthood for myself to get tested because it was convenient where I lived at the time. Most of their government funding is because of Medicaid and they get some grants as well, but look up the Hyde Amendment: it says that no federal funds can be used for abortions and has been around since 76. The exceptions to it are protecting the life of the mother, incest, and rape. But I also get that some people don't want to fund an agency that performs abortions at all, even if those particular dollars are not going to the abortions...the money still helps keep them in business doing something that those people view as murder.

 

[Aleksandar37]

If you shoot someone more than twice in separate crimes (not self defense) you should be spending decades behind bars. It may not stop them all, but it’d at least stop them from yet another shooting. But that’s a different topic entirely.

Growing up I always thought if you kill somebody then you're either in prison for life or you're getting the chair (which I guess is still technically prison for life). Now it seems like there are so many instances where people end a life and should be spending decades behind bars, but some don't even get that!

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Growing up I always thought if you kill somebody then you're either in prison for life or you're getting the chair (which I guess is still technically prison for life). Now it seems like there are so many instances where people end a life and should be spending decades behind bars, but some don't even get that!

It shouldn’t even necessitate killing someone. If you commit multiple crimes with guns, you should be locked away for a long time, as every crime committed with a gun inherently carries the possibility of killing someone(s). But that often isn’t how it works; it’s crazy.

 

[justhere4comm]

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[muscleupcrohn]

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I was pleasantly surprised that he actually took the time to say that it’s not all Republicans or people on the right that believe these things, and also that the far left has some insane beliefs on abortion too. About as objective as you can hope for something motivated by Trump tweets to be IMO.

 

[thebigt]

Just to be clear, I'm not at all for paying for people's abortions or rehab. I just don't agree with messing with people's insurance though to prevent insurance paying for it. If insurance can pay for boner pills, it can pay for what happens because of them too.

I see several prominent democrats including at least one running for president wants to abolish private insurance completely in favor of medicare for all....

 

[thebigt]

I was pleasantly surprised that he actually took the time to say that it’s not all Republicans or people on the right that believe these things, and also that the far left has some insane beliefs on abortion too. About as objective as you can hope for something motivated by Trump tweets to be IMO.

here is a hypothetical for ya....are you certain that future generations will not look back at abortions with the same disdain we have for past generations due to slavery.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I see several prominent democrats including at least one running for president wants to abolish private insurance completely in favor of medicare for all....

Yeah and they can't even agree on what the term means. Give everybody medicare and they'll still need private insurance just like most current medicare users have because it doesn't cover a lot. Private insurance continues to get worse and more complicated, but I don't agree that this medicare for all is the answer, at least not in its current form.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah and they can't even agree on what the term means. Give everybody medicare and they'll still need private insurance just like most current medicare users have because it doesn't cover a lot. Private insurance continues to get worse and more complicated, but I don't agree that this medicare for all is the answer, at least not in its current form.

not sure about this...are they wanting to include illegals in medicare for all? geez, the cost of this would be scary....