Donald Trump running for president
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ax1
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Ok, so if some street thugs were too lazy to both get a job and get laid and decided to pull you in an alley, steal your wallet, lube you up real good with motor oil and pump away Im sure your just thinking its just "natural" then since laziness and greed are natural.
ax1
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I think I found another suspect today, lol
CJNator
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Violence isn’t always the answer plus 90% of the population supported the Nazis, why would they revolt? They turned their heads away from the governments wrong doings. It is their fault too.
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Now this is a issue that no one cares to talk about but the left, these laws incriminating non violent offenders of color are appalling. Action needs to be taken to bring culture into the low income ghettos to help them rise from poverty.
ax1
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Thats the problem. Or should I say your problem.
ax1
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After the war, the US government took German citizens to oven tours to show them what their government had done. Thats when they turned their heads.
ax1
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How about lets turn to you, this is your issue now how much longer are you going to turn your head for and when are you going to actually do something about it?
And how can genocide and mass murder help the economy to help pull these ghettos out of the brink?
Aleksandar37
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If only there was someway to read what happened in history...like some sort of a history book. If you're going to take a stand on an issue, at least have the basics down. At least read a wikipedia entry or something man. Come on! If you're trying to sound like an authority on what happened in Nazi Germany and you draw a blank on Joseph Goebbels?!?!
CJNator
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Now you’re being childish, you know I stated that I don’t not think a nation should use genocide. I do everyday, I speak about being an American and and being an American is all that matters. Not race, religion, or ideology. I always preach nationalism and my anti war on drugs. Kill the dealers and rehabilitate the users.
It’s all about spreading information with meaning.
No, they knew about the Jewish discrimination and camps.
Just googled him and yea propaganda is a drug, but what propaganda is controlling me?
youngandfree
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Then you shouldn't be talking about who did what or supported what in Germany under the Nazi rule.
ax1
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If you dont support the war on drugs, why do you support killing the dealers? That makes you more pro-war on drugs than the pro-war on drug government currently running shop. At least the government wants to arrest drug dealers, offer them a fair trial/due process and incarcerate them for a limited time. You just want to kill them.
You mention culture into ghettos to lift them out of poverty. What culture? How does culture lift people out of poverty? I thought education, jobs, a good economy backed with personal ambition lift people out of poverty. What culture will solve these problems?
Your the most extreme ideological person I have ever met, so yeah your American cool but you mostly look to output ideological solutions to all these issues.
ax1
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This isnt about you, and I really dont think you have even touched a tiny gist of the way the Nazi government operated, brainwashed, intimidated and used the general population and destroyed political opposition. If you think 90% of Germans supported the Nazis then its time to move to another topic. Lets talk about the best way to peel hard boiled eggs, maybe we will get somewhere with that one.
Aleksandar37
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youngandfree
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ax1
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My big trick is instead of boiling them in water to use an electric egg poacher. Ill take them right out and put them in cold water (I should try ice next time) and they come off fairly easily. I first used an Egg Genie the one on TV, but I found out that its actually a fairly common kitchen item, so many brands available. Ive actually bought these units with me when traveling to hotels, they are a life saver when your on a strict diet and dont want to eat every meal out all day long.
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youngandfree
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ax1
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Damn, mayo? I know it taste good but thats some empty calories right there. I guess if you hit your macros right it dont matter and it doesnt sound like its a regular for you anymore.
I use a small amount of soy sauce and black pepper. Sometimes a tiny amount of sesame oil and sesame seeds along with the soy sauce (no black pepper.) If I dont feel that I add just plain salt and have them wrapped with a piece of lettuce and eat it like a burrito. Lettuce does make them far more enjoyable.
Does it really taste ok microwaved? What do you add to the microwave omelet?
youngandfree
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I use fat free mayo. My wife eats full strength mayo with a spoon. It's so gross.
I get packs of cubed ham and put that in the omelet cooker with the eggs, a little on both sides. The just start nuking a minute or so at a time. In turn it a couple times. If you don't over cook it it tastes fine. Once both sides are fluffed how I like it, I drop some shredded cheese in the middle and flop the two sides together. Slide it out. I'm a basic kind of guy.Invalid Link Removed
Got it at walmart
CJNator
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I support a war on gangs not drugs. For the definitions of culture you can check here Invalid Link Removed the definitions will tell you why culture is necessary.
How am I a ideologue? All I care about is making America prosper for those who want it to prosper and work for it. I don’t care about any ideology besides nationalism.
ax1
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By definition #2 I see what you mean.
Im somewhat of a Nationalist too....although I consider myself both a citizen of the USA and a citizen of the globe. So global nationalist, but also very much love my country independently.
Im not going to answer your question though. Maybe you can ask everyone else if they think your an ideologue, I dunno.
How much did they support Hitler when they realized what they gotten in to, they no longer had a voice and it was risk to life to voice opposition? I mean yeah he created a cult, but they also white washed opposition through intimidation, destroying political opposition and completely controlling the meda and the image of the Nazi. The only image allowed in the newspapers and TV was a positive image, or your a goner. It appeared as if the support was stronger that it really was.
If Dump was a bad human and he had more power he could intimidate and threaten all democrats, independenst, arrest and beat up all political opposition, banned any criticism in the media and wiped out all journalists that weren't pro-Dump and showed the globe only images of obsessed supporters it would appear as if America overwhelmingly 90% supported Dump. That 10% is there to remind their loyalists to always watch their neighbor and remind them political opposition still exists.
In that kind of environment your going to get people that will simply play along to get along just to survive and opposition had been crushed and those views hidden from public. Its artificial. And no, its ridiculous to think hey, its their fault for not committing suicide to overthrow Hitler.
I dont completely agree with that article, I think for myself. He won over the German people both through brainwashing, deceit, lying, false flags and destroying people that opposed. 90% my azz. Of course his support grew, but its not in the way of "winning" support over.
ax1
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Sebastian Haffner plausibly reckoned that Hitler had succeeded by 1938 in winning the support of "the great majority of that majority who had voted against him in 1933." Indeed Haffner thought that by then Hitler had united almost the entire German people behind him, that more than 90 percent of Germans were by that time "believers in the Führer."
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In the absence of any genuine test of opinion, and in conditions of intimidation and repression for those who might dare to challenge official propaganda, when the only public opinion which existed was that of the regime's agencies, such a figure can only be guesswork, and is probably too high.
Do you even read your own sources?
You come in here claiming over several days that 90% of Germans overwhelmingly supported Hitler but even your own source says its probably too high for the same reasons I bring up. Its fabricated. Yet yesterday again you loosy goosy 90% of Germans overwhelmingly supported the Nazi's.
Let me simplify this, you were not allowed not to support them or allowed to know that much political opposition existed at all.
ax1
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Next claim.
"But the Germans, they overwhelmingly voted for Hitler.....according to the official figures 98.9 per cent voted "for the list and thus for the Führer,"
Ill prove it, here
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Despite the absurdity of the "election" result at the end of the month, when -- amid ballot-rigging, electoral manipulation and intense propaganda to conform -- according to the official figures 98.9 per cent voted "for the list and thus for the Führer,"
"But the Germans, they overwhelmingly voted for Hitler.....according to the official figures 98.9 per cent voted "for the list and thus for the Führer,"
Ill prove it, here
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Despite the absurdity of the "election" result at the end of the month, when -- amid ballot-rigging, electoral manipulation and intense propaganda to conform -- according to the official figures 98.9 per cent voted "for the list and thus for the Führer,"
ax1
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ROFL!!!!! Sebastian Haffner, nice job think for yourself!
So in 1933 98.9% voted for Hitler, yet Sebastian Haffner plausibly reckoned that Hitler had succeeded by 1938 in winning the support of "the great majority of that majority who had voted against him in 1933."
What a stupid azz....the majority of what, the 1.1% that didnt vote for him? RRRRROOOFFFFLLLLLLLLLLL
Thats what Haffner claims unification of Germany from 1933-1938, 98.9 to something higher? Wait a sec....if he claims 90% support in 38, wouldnt Germany have been less unified in 38 than 33?
Jiigzz
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Wat
Jiigzz
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DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WORLD WAR 2 AND THE HOLOCAUST?!?!?!
What you are implying is EXTREMELY disrespectful to those who perished in Nazi Death camps. DO NOT EVER victim blame.
You have no idea the power, and extreme ruthlessness of the SS. People were thrown into Ghettos and camps BEFORE the Final Solution was made practical. By that stage, the SS had everyone right where they needed, and had ensured they were not able to put up much of a fight (weaken them through reduced food rations etc and unclean water). So much went into deceiving the public and keeping them out of the Ghettos (they were told the Jews had disease, which, as starvation and unclean water weakened them, made it look true)
Moreover, EVERY SINGLE EXTERMINATION CAMP was OUTSIDE of Germany.
Most were in Poland, and other Eastern Bloc nations like Belarus and the Ukraine (part of the Soviet Union) and were deceived in what was actually happening in Eastern Europe. The Nazis made it seem like they would go to Labor camps to assist the war effort AND those too old or disabled to help would be sent to villages out of the way.
Don't speak about what you do not know.
thebigt
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we were told that devices would provide info about paddocks possible motivation....more than 3 weeks into investigation we find out that his lap top had no hard drive.
1st question-were was the lap top found?
2nd-if lap top was in room was the hard drive also there but destroyed?
3rd-why would anyone keep a lap top with no hard drive?
4th-if the lap top was found in paddocks reno home could that be the reason for the break in?
1st question-were was the lap top found?
2nd-if lap top was in room was the hard drive also there but destroyed?
3rd-why would anyone keep a lap top with no hard drive?
4th-if the lap top was found in paddocks reno home could that be the reason for the break in?
muscleupcrohn
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I do think I recall hearing a Holocaust survivor speak saying that, in retrospect, he wished that people wouldn’t have handed over their weapons and trusted everything the government did. Of course, once they realized what was really going on, it was too late, but I think that going forward, it may not be such a bad thing to be cautious and not inherently assume that the government has our best interests at heart.
Jiigzz
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muscleupcrohn
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I think you are missing the main point of my post. I’m not saying that if the Jews hadn’t turned in their guns they would have been able to defeat the Nazis, but that if people hadn’t been so trusting of the government (Nazis) in general, in many aspects, that they may have had a better chance. That includes relocating/moving at the request of the government, and many other things. The point I was trying to make wasn’t that guns would have saved the Jews in Nazi Germany, but that the (misplaced) trust in the government (Nazis) ended up having terrible consequences. Guns were only one small part of that, and speak to a much bigger picture and philosophy of “inherently trusting everything the government does.”
Jiigzz
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Yeah, it is very interesting to research. Hindsight is a hell of a thing and something we can learn from, but at that point in time no one could have predicted the fate of all of those people, or the sheer lengths at which the Nazis would go to to achieve their final goal.
But yes, ultimately we should be careful who we blindly trust.
muscleupcrohn
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Yeah, I’m not saying that they were oblivious or should have seen it coming, only that we can, and should, learn from it going forward.
CJNator
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Alright so I was skewed by my bias, I’ll admit that. I was thinking about my objective perspective and as I may not agree with some what the Nazis stood for but their action to manipulate the public were normal for government which is fine by me. I just care about doing it for the right reason, not racism or anything bad.
ax1
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So you think that the Nazi's were good to set up secret police and public informants to round up and throw anybody they thought were political opposition in prison labor camps and even execute them without any form of real due process other than the dictator himself? You call that normal manipulation of the public for a government? What the Nazi's did to the German people through brutal intimidation was fine with you? I call that terrorism.
I dunno why anybody would even look to the Nazi's for any type of enlightenment, what is wrong with you?
ax1
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So "drain the swamp" Dump could release everything, he has not.
"He was unhappy with the level of redactions," a White House official said, adding that Trump believed the agencies were "not meeting the spirit of the law."
"has demanded unprecedented transparency from the agencies and directed them to minimize redactions without delay."
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Ok Dump, here is how it goes, drain the swamp and simply release the documents you ignorant hyposhyt! You have all the power to do so, just do it.
Not that if he officially did would I believe everything was released, or he may have intended to release everything but the "deep state" destroyed the evidence a long time ago anyways. Why would government thugs let some damaging files on this level be stored?
"He was unhappy with the level of redactions," a White House official said, adding that Trump believed the agencies were "not meeting the spirit of the law."
"has demanded unprecedented transparency from the agencies and directed them to minimize redactions without delay."
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Ok Dump, here is how it goes, drain the swamp and simply release the documents you ignorant hyposhyt! You have all the power to do so, just do it.
Not that if he officially did would I believe everything was released, or he may have intended to release everything but the "deep state" destroyed the evidence a long time ago anyways. Why would government thugs let some damaging files on this level be stored?
CJNator
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No I don’t think death camps would be necessary because I don’t think killing off a large amount of people is necessary. Yea I don’t think political oppositions are necessary, making things work for everyone is but killing them was not necessary.
He was too violent for my liking, there is a time and place for violence, Germany learned that the hard way.
ax1
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You "dont think political opposition are necessary?" Do you realize you yourself are a political opposition?
So rounding up and eliminating political opposition and sending them to labor camps is ok as long as you dont kill them or injure them? Do you care to volunteer to turn yourself in? lol
CJNator
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No I don’t think death camps would be necessary because I don’t think killing off a large amount of people is necessary. Yea I don’t think political oppositions are necessary, making things work for everyone is but killing them was not necessary.
He was too violent for my liking, there is a time and place for violence, Germany learned that the hard way.
Aleksandar37
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This should be amusing...what, according to you, are the "right" reasons for such a thing?
Aleksandar37
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Curious if this ties in with his brother getting busted for child porn
CJNator
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To make the nation better for those who want to obey the government. It’s hard to do that in the US because of of how unreasonable the laws and regulations are.
youngandfree
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Before you said those that opposed their government and didn't do anything about their tyranny is complicit. So which is it? Political opposition is good or bad?
CJNator
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It’s neither good nor bad, only the end result matters if there is a end to be seen.
youngandfree
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One sentence you advocate political opposition to overthrow tyranny, now you oppose it. Can't have it both ways.
CJNator
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I advocate what is necessary to make the nation better.