Aleksandar37
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So then you believe he wasn't on Ellen today? Is he really dead and they filmed that in the same studio they did the moon landing and 9/11?
Donald Trump running for president
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So then you believe he wasn't on Ellen today? Is he really dead and they filmed that in the same studio they did the moon landing and 9/11?
thebigt
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you gonna take the bet or not...simple yes or no will suffice.
Aleksandar37
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What is the bet in complete sentences?
thebigt
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the bet is that the story which has already changed several times will change once again.
Aleksandar37
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Yeah, no ****. It's an ongoing investigation and you're listening to the media who has to create news to fill 24/7. Of course it's going to keep changing. Several people have posted wondering where this person is and I posted the story that shows where he is and that he's alive. Past that I really don't care.
thebigt
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you don't find it intriguing that mgm is apparently representing him....this I find very interesting considering the probable law suits against mgm. of course there are probably going to be law suits against sheriffs office also..could it be that jesus was 'coached' on what his statement was going to be and why instead of a 'real' interview the ellen show was picked-on the condition she would not ask serious questions...of course it is debatable on rather ellen would be capable of a serious interview even if she tried to.
the conspiracy/cover up or whatever you want to call it could be nothing more than a cover your ass by those involved in probable law suits.
Aleksandar37
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We just have different interests. I don't find it that interesting and see a guy that realized how close he came to death and felt the stress of instant fame. I'm not saying you're wrong, I honestly just don't put much more thought into it than that and have said from the start that I'm waiting for the investigation to finish before I even start questioning because I don't believe the media hype.
I'm more interested in a President who has so far lied to a military parent, lied to a military widow, and called a military widow a liar. A President who lied about past Presidents and how they handled military deaths. A President who was golfing when those bodies landed back here when Obama was there under similar circumstances. And a President who chose to make their deaths a political statment and then pretend that it's the media making it political when they catch him in several lies. And if you want to talk about things that don't add up, why did it take 2 weeks for Trump to even comment on the deaths and still get called out for holding back information from the Senate Armed Services Committee on how the ambush even happened? Like I said, we just have different interests
Aleksandar37
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She's NBC, but it seems she has an Ellen slot machine at the MGM. Is that where the second shooter was hiding? lol. Again, not saying you're wrong that there is more going on with the bigger story, but my gut tells me the guy was just a simple security guard and most people just want to be left alone, especially after a tramatic event like that.
thebigt
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We just have different interests. I don't find it that interesting and see a guy that realized how close he came to death and felt the stress of instant fame. I'm not saying you're wrong, I honestly just don't put much more thought into it than that and have said from the start that I'm waiting for the investigation to finish before I even start questioning because I don't believe the media hype.
I'm more interested in a President who has so far lied to a military parent, lied to a military widow, and called a military widow a liar. A President who lied about past Presidents and how they handled military deaths. A President who was golfing when those bodies landed back here when Obama was there under similar circumstances. And a President who chose to make their deaths a political statment and then pretend that it's the media making it political when they catch him in several lies. And if you want to talk about things that don't add up, why did it take 2 weeks for Trump to even comment on the deaths and still get called out for holding back information from the Senate Armed Services Committee on how the ambush even happened? Like I said, we just have different interests
I wake up every morning and say a thank you prayer that Hillary Clinton is not president!!!
thebigt
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I think he is a simple security guard who is being used as a pawn. he is a very small fish swimming in a pool of sharks!!!
the law suits that are bound to happen are going to be mega millions...against both mgm AND law enforcement.
Aleksandar37
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I have this rare genetic condition where I can actually hate Hillary and still be upset when Trump does horrible ****
thebigt
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I respect that....but given the choice, I would pick trump every time!!!
Aleksandar37
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In other news, did you see the Jefferson Davis school in Mississippi is being renamed....you're gonna love it....get ready......spoiler alert....they're renaming it after Obama!
thebigt
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I hate Obama's politic's...but it's only fitting that buildings, avenues, airports....be named after the 1st black president, that is a hellova achievement.
i'm sure if Hillary had been elected they would be re-naming hugh hefners mansion after her.....
Aleksandar37
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True, plus I'm sure there are still plenty of schools named after Jefferson Davis to go around. And the mansion or maybe a landfill. Either would do!
ax1
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Well first half black president who lied all his way to office and murdered 10s of thousands of innocent people around the globe, ruined the lives of millions and destroyed several countries. Impressive achievement for someone who campaigned to be anti-war.
He spend 750 million brainwashing the public with his endless lies vs. 350 million McCain....so impressive....but hey he promised never to take a single penny from lobby ROFL
But hey if I see Barry Soetoro’s name on a building I have no problem with it as I like to reflect on history and murderous dictators of the past and the childrenz inside get to learn the history of his regime.
Really there is nothing to claim achievement about Barry’s win other than tricking me the first time, looking back it was completely disgraceful to all races as a whole.
thebigt
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if you take slavery out of it and look at it as just a war, it is incredible that the south was able to hold their own for so long....everything was stacked against the rural south vs the industrial north...on paper it would seem as though the north would have been able to squash the rebels in a matter of months. the civil war for me remains fascinating.
ax1
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What I never get is, if one is half black and half white, why do most people automatically say he is black?
I say most....I remember back in 07-08 a couple of black people in my gym didn’t consider him black at all, or gave a living crap about him lol
thebigt
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here is something that has been bothering me...jesus campos is at the door of the shooter who knows he is there because he has cameras set up....the shooter fires a barrage of 200 rounds thru the door at campos...campos suffers 1, I repeat 1 round to the upper thigh????
I can't understand how a automatic fire weapon would only strike campos once, if he were in the line of fire it seems as though he would have been struck repeatedly...
@demented cowboy you got anything?
I can't understand how a automatic fire weapon would only strike campos once, if he were in the line of fire it seems as though he would have been struck repeatedly...
@demented cowboy you got anything?
ax1
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Lol well said!
Aleksandar37
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I thought he was shot at a couple of times and was hit and then there was the shooting of the 200 rounds after he had already backed off. As for the cameras, Jesus said he heard drilling. Do we know that the cameras were up and rolling or was he still getting ready when he got alerted?
Aleksandar37
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Absolutely it's fascinating. Numbers help, but practice and home field advantage help too! Throw in a little luck and anything can happen.
thebigt
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I could could be wrong but I only remember them saying he was shot in upper thigh?
I thought the drilling sound was what 1st drew his attention?
the shooter shot thru the door so I would say the cameras were up and running since otherwise he wouldn't have known campos was there?
here is another question...my wife and I used to know a couple who lived in the marriot apts downtown indy back in the late 90's..when we used to visit there in the lobby were a huge horseshoe shaped desk with monitors all around-every floor had a camera at each end, the pool had 2 cameras, the elevators had cameras, even the parking lot had cameras that the security people could remotely change the angle...I understand that in todays world they would have a separate room for security to monitor screens, but where were the cameras at mandalay bay?
thebigt
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plus the fact that Robert e lee was a brilliant general. I know that Lincoln often complained of being frustrated by inaction of his generals, grant was no lee but at least he was willing to engage.
you don't have to be a racist to be sad to see monuments from that time being removed.
Aleksandar37
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I would think 99% of security there is focused on the casino and the hotel has at least one crappy hallway camera on each floor. It's entirely possible they have tape of that angle, but I have no idea. They should have footage of the shooter bringing bags in though either from down in the lobby or an elevator camera.
Aleksandar37
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The shooter could have looked through the peephole as well. Let's say camera's were up already for sake of the argument. That's still a hard shot unless Jesus was up against the door. This isn't Mission Impossible, so it's probably a low resolution security camera that gives you a relative idea what is going on, but you're now shooting through material you haven't tested and guessing at angles. The only thing working for the shooter was that it's a small hallway. Do you happen to know how his room was set up in relation to the hallway because I've never seen a hotel door that sits at the end so that you'd be shooting straight down. Most room entryways are perpendicular to the hallway. I'd be curious to see a schematic of where everybody was in relation to each other.
thebigt
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I heard it reported that he even used the freight elevator which is highly unusual, but haven't heard anymore about it.
another thing that sets off my spider sense is that his reno house was broken into, you would think that during an active investigation his house would have been secured?
what about the other woman he was seen with?
thebigt
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I am curious about a whole lot of things...as for the camera, they showed a room service table outside the door where it was reported he had set up cameras to let him now when law enforcement was coming-this was the original story from day 1.
Aleksandar37
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It's Vegas and if he was as big of a spender as they claim and getting comps, I don't think they would have thought twice about letting him use the freight elevator. Who knows how many hookers use that same way in and out.
I agree there are still a lot of unanswered questions and I think it's going to take a while to get answers. MGM is only going to provide what they need to as far as evidence goes. I would bet several lawyers need to review anything they plan on handing over first.
thebigt
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true...I was kinda hoping investigative reporters might come up with some interesting stuff, not going to hold my breath on updates from law enforcement.
in civil suits are they required to turn over all information like is required in criminal cases?
Aleksandar37
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I'm not 100%, but I don't think so. They'll settle with most I'm guessing since nobody is really going to be able to afford to drag out a case with them.
ax1
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This is bad.....so now if passed (has some "bi"partisan support) anyone spending a measly $501 on the Libertarian party will have their personal information released to the government and then they can lead the IRS to bully opponents with extra scrutiny an potentially destroy your life and those around you crushing real (not Dump!) political opposition to the swamp, and everybody knows they will get away with it.
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ax1
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Maybe like Oklahoma City bombing every single security camera including every business in the immediate area were having their betamax tapes changed at the very exact same time. Or maybe like the Pentagon, the most heavily surveillance area on the planet of the time and barely anything ever released on a plane crashing into it...oh sure I can guess betamax tape changes.
Now, I at least wanna see camera footage of him in the parking lot and bringing all these weapons into the building which he probably took more than several trips to do just to start. Have they released anything clear as of yet?
thebigt
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you are most likely right about settling cases, this is unfortunate for those of us wanting to know what they know about the shooting...seriously, at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut they are really locking down the flow of information.....
wow...it's like this story just flew under the radar, no one is even talking about it anymore????
Aleksandar37
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Interesting perspective on fallout from the travel ban when you include key allies. Might be why Trump is avoiding any explanations on what went wrong in Niger.
Interesting perspective on fallout from the travel ban when you include key allies. Might be why Trump is avoiding any explanations on what went wrong in Niger.
thebigt
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maybe trump knows something that alexander Thurston does not...it is in the realm of possibilities.
Aleksandar37
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How so? He's reporting on the effect, not what Trump knew going into this.
Currently signs are pointing mostly to a lack of passport paper as why they were included. Also from another article "Homeland Security, working with the White House, pushed Chad onto the list without significant input from the State Department or the Defense Department, said a congressional official briefed on the process who wasn't authorized to discuss it publicly and requested anonymity."
thebigt
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isn't that what homeland security was designed to do?
a lack of passport paper could mean easier to counterfeit, right?
Aleksandar37
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Homeland did their job with their checklist, yes. I'm not following though how lack of paper makes it easier to counterfeit. Can you clarify that? Chad actually stopped making passports for several months when they ran out. It's not like they have a Staples they can run over to for a refill.
thebigt
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ok, I misunderstood...I thought they were using easily obtainable paper as a replacement. like as in the u.s ran out of the 'paper' used to print money and just used poster-board, lol.....would make it kinda easier to counterfeit.
Aleksandar37
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I've never thought about it, but it must be some sort of standard that was previously agreed upon so countries aren't using napkins when they run out. I found this from another article kind of explaining it more, "Lacking the special passport paper, Chad's government couldn't comply, but offered to provide a pre-existing sample of the same type of passport, several U.S. officials said. It wasn't enough to persuade Homeland Security to make an exception to requirements the agency has been applying strictly and literally to countries across the globe, said the officials, who requested anonymity to discuss disagreements within the administration."
I'm just hoping they can figure something out soon because Chad has been a huge ally in that region and I don't want to see anymore troops not making it back. Not to mention the groups that rise up when there's an open spot.
thebigt
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I echo your sentiments about our troops!!!
I've heard it mentioned that terror groups are tying to organize another 911 level of destruction aimed at the U.S. and with the sudden addition of chad to the list it is possible that intelligence discovered a plot originating in chad, this is only speculation, but the threat of terrorism is very real. it's only paranoia if no one is really out to get you....
Aleksandar37
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It's not Russia lol. You have city, state, and several federal agencies looking into this and they don't necessarily all get along and all of them require court orders while I'm sure MGM is trying to limit the amount of damage they get pulled into. Eyewitness accounts alone are going to take up so many resources since it was already Vegas and now you have the entire concert and everybody who was in the hotel that day.
CJNator
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Whether people like to realize it or not the state is a representation of the people. The state is a organism. I’m acknowledging the first statement since this seems off topic.
ax1
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Ok so your saying if people condemn the state, dont vote for it and want to destroy and replace it from the inside out, your claiming the state still represents them?