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Yes, a man walking around with an aR on his back is proof of your restrictive gun laws ;)

Can’t legally have a carry on as a good citizen of any kind so I don’t think your going to convince me.

And why is a guy walking around with an AR so scary to you?
 
You have no conceptual understanding of the 2nd amendment and why the founding fathers put it there.
I know why they put it there. To protect you from Mexicans and ISIS. Oh and the Government rising up like it does it NZ, Australia, and other countries. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

ill sit here in my very peaceful and free country awaiting your response on how guns contribute to being free and how they bring peace.

;)
 
I know why they put it there. To protect you from Mexicans and ISIS. Oh and the Government rising up like it does it NZ, Australia, and other countries. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

ill sit here in my very peaceful and free country awaiting your response on how guns contribute to being free and how they bring peace.

;)

Your country is puny with a mediocre short history and unfortunate it’s not if but when your situation changes and you people fight with sticks and twigs.

How did it work out for the natives in NZ and Australia by the way?????!?
 
A small fact, you can own firearms in NZ, but you just can't carry them around. Same as Switzerland.

People who don't have firearms training and caught up in the moment are the worst people to have guns as they shoot first and assess later.
 
Your country is puny with a mediocre short history and unfortunate it’s not if but when your situation changes and you people fight with sticks and twigs.
Mine is, sure. But other countries with the same laws aren't. And, well, they're doing fine.

American paranoia about an uprising is absurd. Your military would crush you before you even knew what hit you lol

Edit: a short history? Erm, you might want to recheck that. Britain colonised regions around the globe at a similar time. Britain colonised you, called it America, and then you fought with Britain once you left the colony.

Lol
 
Mine is, sure. But other countries with the same laws aren't. And, well, they're doing fine.

American paranoia about an uprising is absurd. Your military would crush you before you even knew what hit you lol
Indeed. Having the most powerful military in the world can be a double edged sword.
 
Can’t legally have a carry on as a good citizen of any kind so I don’t think your going to convince me.

And why is a guy walking around with an AR so scary to you?
Scary? It's unnecessary. What Government will you take down with a semi automatic?
 
Mine is, sure. But other countries with the same laws aren't. And, well, they're doing fine.

American paranoia about an uprising is absurd. Your military would crush you before you even knew what hit you lol

Edit: a short history? Erm, you might want to recheck that. Britain colonised regions around the globe at a similar time. Britain colonised you, called it America, and then you fought with Britain once you left the colony.

Lol

Your paranoia about guns is absurd along with your ignorance on how most and almost every mass shooting is either someone on psychotropic drugs are ran by the government.
 
Your country is puny with a mediocre short history and unfortunate it’s not if but when your situation changes and you people fight with sticks and twigs.

How did it work out for the natives in NZ and Australia by the way?????!?
Our natives have far more rights than you grant the native Americans.

Before you go into that, do some research on Maori and land entitlements. You're going to be in over your head soon
 
Your paranoia about guns is absurd along with your ignorance on how most and almost every mass shooting is either someone on psychotropic drugs are ran by the government.
Of course they are. Because noone who is white can just shoot at people. It's just unheard of :rollseyes:
 
Scary? It's unnecessary. What Government will you take down with a semi automatic?

Who said I support regulating guns for citizens to semi’s?

There are 300+ million of us, with guns what government wants to try?

I bet the people of Texas alone can wipe out the NZ government.
 
Our natives have far more rights than you grant the native Americans.

Before you go into that, do some research on Maori and land entitlements. You're going to be in over your head soon

Ooohhhh...entitlements. Can they entitle you to land rights instead on their own homeland?
 
Who said I support regulating guns for citizens to semi’s?

There are 300+ million of us, with guns what government wants to try?

I bet the people of Texas alone can wipe out the NZ government.
But can the people of texas take down your own government, you know, for the main reason you all love guns so much.

They better get training, the government is rising up!
 
Ooohhhh...entitlements. Can they entitle you to land rights instead on their own homeland?
I dont understand this.

They have a lot of power of land, and often choose to not allow the govt access to it.

What do you mean?
 
But can the people of texas take down your own government, you know, for the main reason you all love guns so much.

They better get training, the government is rising up!

As I said gun control laws are strict....and you want less gun rights for Texans ROFL!

Right now we don’t need to take out our government we are in the position for peaceful change and I intend to keep it that way. The best position for the people is when government are scrared to crap of us and i have no interest in letting that guard down.
 
I dont understand this.

They have a lot of power of land, and often choose to not allow the govt access to it.

What do you mean?

They should be entitled to NZ. Your acting likes it’s ok for foreigners to entitle them to things.
 
I gotta be out with my tour group Jiggz...

I know it’s a heated debate as always I know you side is due to a good heart and that’s 100% ok with me but I gotta go for the day :)
 
They should be entitled to NZ. Your acting likes it’s ok for foreigners to entitle them to things.

I don't think the US is in any place to criticise the rights of other countries natives, lol.
 
FWIW that list is safety across a lot of metrics, not just gun laws. The US ranks 11th in the world for firearm related deaths, and sits among very third world countries, however this also includes suicides.

The point is though, that guns are not making your country safe. That is a fallacy, and you use further fallacies to defend it. You can like guns. You can want guns. You can pretend owning guns is making you safer, but we all know it isn't.

How do suicides make a country less safe?
 
I have something fun for you.

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Wikipedia on Global Safety Index: According to this list, you are #114th out of #163.

Rwanda, Brazil, and Honduras beat you guys out. You guys must feel real safe right about now, lol.
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How is Brazil safer when they had 55,574 homicides, and the US had 15,696 homicides in 2015? Again you must be using flawed data.
 
I don't think the US is in any place to criticise the rights of other countries natives, lol.

On tour bus off the mountains...lol can’t get away from this place.

I’ll be the first with you to criticize what the US did to the natives :)

I wanna learn from their mistakes and not repeat them of course. I wonder what state of mind they were in when some Chief Ax2 came to town and told them stop fighting with other tribes as there is a bigger force coming to town and then he was driven out as some paranoid loony conspiracy theorist.

I don’t want our current or future society to repeat the mistakes of the past.
 
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How is Brazil safer when they had 55,574 homicides, and the US had 15,696 homicides in 2015? Again you must be using flawed data.

Our homicide rate would be significantly lower if it wasn’t for decades of failed war on drugs, economy run to the ground by corruption in Washington and the Illegal Federal Reserve devaluing our life savings, wide open unregulated borders, the out of control psychotropic prescription outbreak among many other things all that have been turning America into a shythole all by the very same people that want to disarm us and have been stripping our human rights away.
 
Alright, I know I'm opening Pandora's box here but it's not just a "conspiracy theory" anymore. There are multiple videos from various different angles of muzzle flashes from much further down the building than the 32nd floor. No visible shots fired from the busted windows that all the media sources focused their attention on and claim the guy was firing from. Maybe he did, but it's undeniable that there was shooting from different parts of the building.
 
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How is Brazil safer when they had 55,574 homicides, and the US had 15,696 homicides in 2015? Again you must be using flawed data.
It's not all about homicides.
 
Alright, I know I'm opening Pandora's box here but it's not just a "conspiracy theory" anymore. There are multiple videos from various different angles of muzzle flashes from much further down the building than the 32nd floor. No visible shots fired from the busted windows that all the media sources focused their attention on and claim the guy was firing from. Maybe he did, but it's undeniable that there was shooting from different parts of the building.
Let me ask you, if this was an inside job, do you not think, I mean seriously, that whoever involved would not have anticipated eye witness accounts and videos would instantly out these guys?

Think about it for a second.

Maybe there were multiple, but currently the narrative doesn't fit that. The media and police could easily have said "3 suspects" or "multiple shooters" and then made them Muslim but they didn't. They stated one, who was white.

If there were very obviously multiple shooters, they would have said so and made that the narrative.
 
It's not all about homicides.
What are they basing it on? I know people who moved here from Brazil and commented on the rampant crime and robberies in the streets, including children committing the crimes, and widespread police inability to do anything to prevent it.

Here's a comparison between Brazil and the US:
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The US clearly isn't close to the "safest" county, but it seems to be a LOT safer than Brazil, in many areas, both statistical/objective and perceived.
 
Let me ask you, if this was an inside job, do you not think, I mean seriously, that whoever involved would not have anticipated eye witness accounts and videos would instantly out these guys?

Think about it for a second.

Maybe there were multiple, but currently the narrative doesn't fit that. The media and police could easily have said "3 suspects" or "multiple shooters" and then made them Muslim but they didn't. They stated one, who was white.

If there were very obviously multiple shooters, they would have said so and made that the narrative.

It’s just like 9-11, there are multiple witness accounts who then end up being ignored, linked with something stupid to discredit them, or assasinated.

You should study the psycops manuals, militaries manuals on conducting terrorism along those lines...nothing will stop them from executing the mission including exposure. Witnesses do not intimidate them, all that matters is completing the mission. The Federal Government controls the narrative and by law the mainstream media must propagate what they say by law here.

Have you ever heard of operation Gladio?
 
Let me ask you, if this was an inside job, do you not think, I mean seriously, that whoever involved would not have anticipated eye witness accounts and videos would instantly out these guys?

Think about it for a second.

Maybe there were multiple, but currently the narrative doesn't fit that. The media and police could easily have said "3 suspects" or "multiple shooters" and then made them Muslim but they didn't. They stated one, who was white.

If there were very obviously multiple shooters, they would have said so and made that the narrative.

Honestly, I'm not saying it's an inside job, or whatever else it might be. All I'm commenting on is what I've seen. I've noticed the discrepancy between the official reports and what's actual recorded. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's something. I, like many others it seems, just want to know why there's a discrepancy at all?
 
Honestly, I'm not saying it's an inside job, or whatever else it might be. All I'm commenting on is what I've seen. I've noticed the discrepancy between the official reports and what's actual recorded. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's something. I, like many others it seems, just want to know why there's a discrepancy at all?
Yeah I can get that. But the thing is, it might actually be the correct account that there is one shooter and the discrepancies may lie elsewhere in the footage. Reflections, other light patterns etc can all provide the same illusion.

Im not saying that is what it was, but why would they lie if it were that obvious?
 
What are they basing it on? I know people who moved here from Brazil and commented on the rampant crime and robberies in the streets, including children committing the crimes, and widespread police inability to do anything to prevent it.

Here's a comparison between Brazil and the US:
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The US clearly isn't close to the "safest" county, but it seems to be a LOT safer than Brazil, in many areas, both statistical/objective and perceived.
Quoting myself, but still responding to Jiigzz, the "Global Safety Index" you referenced is actually the "Global PEACE Index," and, from that same Wikipedia page:
The index gauges global peace using three broad themes: the level of safety and security in society, the extent of domestic and international conflict and the degree of militarization.[2] Factors are both internal such as levels of violence and crime within the country and external such as military expenditure and wars.
Yes, the US has insane military spending, which may make the US less "peaceful" but not actually less "safe" for people living there. Cherry picked data is cherry picked, or just completely irrelevant to the discussion. Again, the US is clearly not the safest country, not close really, but saying it's less safe than Brazil is just not supported by any actual SAFETY data. Does the US CAUSE more crime/violence in the world than Brazil? That's not really this discussion, is it?
 
Honestly, I'm not saying it's an inside job, or whatever else it might be. All I'm commenting on is what I've seen. I've noticed the discrepancy between the official reports and what's actual recorded. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's something. I, like many others it seems, just want to know why there's a discrepancy at all?

I with you I dunno wtf happened...its a sin to question what we are told even though we have been lied to countless times.
 
Alright, I know I'm opening Pandora's box here but it's not just a "conspiracy theory" anymore. There are multiple videos from various different angles of muzzle flashes from much further down the building than the 32nd floor. No visible shots fired from the busted windows that all the media sources focused their attention on and claim the guy was firing from. Maybe he did, but it's undeniable that there was shooting from different parts of the building.
Bambam I understand your viewpoint and have seen the video's your speaking of. But watching all the video's and my knowledge of firearms. Listening to only the shots fired and not all the background noise, there was only one weapon being fired. Trust me, after three combat tours. I can tell the difference between 1 weapon, and multiple weapons being fired at one time. There was only one shooter. Now where in the hotel that came from. I cant honestly say. I wasnt there so I couldnt personally identify where the shots came from. I only have video to go off of. Some video that may have been modified, who knows. But one thing is for sure. There was only one shooter and one weapon being fired.
 
Yeah I can get that. But the thing is, it might actually be the correct account that there is one shooter and the discrepancies may lie elsewhere in the footage. Reflections, other light patterns etc can all provide the same illusion.

Im not saying that is what it was, but why would they lie if it were that obvious?

Why would the government lie? Why did Obama's ATF allow guns to illegally go to Mexico so they could bolster their argument that too many US guns where going to the cartels?
 
Why would the government lie? Why did Obama's ATF allow guns to illegally go to Mexico so they could bolster their argument that too many US guns where going to the cartels?

All I know is that if the government tells me all 4 indestructible black boxes vaporized into oblivion on 9-11 yet the hijackor’s passport magically flew out of his pocket through the fireball on top of all the rubble with minor damage I believe it because it would be silly for them to think they could trick people out in the open like that.
 
It's not a gun issue, it's a cultural issue.

Prescription drug issue if not government false flag or MKUltra.

Majority of mass shootings involve people using SSRIs. Usually this is my very first thought, 2nd being Government.
 
Quoting myself, but still responding to Jiigzz, the "Global Safety Index" you referenced is actually the "Global PEACE Index," and, from that same Wikipedia page:

Yes, the US has insane military spending, which may make the US less "peaceful" but not actually less "safe" for people living there. Cherry picked data is cherry picked, or just completely irrelevant to the discussion. Again, the US is clearly not the safest country, not close really, but saying it's less safe than Brazil is just not supported by any actual SAFETY data. Does the US CAUSE more crime/violence in the world than Brazil? That's not really this discussion, is it?
Oooh yeah good point haha. I didn't intentionally misread it, but I must have.

But ignoring the one wikipedia page, there are countless others on safety I did quote.

Care to talk about why you guys havent even reached top 20?
 
WTF are you talking about. A country with fewer people killing 40,000 more people in a single year doesn't mean they aren't safe? You didn't answer my other question. How do suicides make the US an unsafe place?
I feel like you don't even jnow what you're talking about sometimes.

Go to Google. Type in "top safest countries". Look for yourself that the US is on NONE of them.

Go ahead and do it.

Yes, I made an error on the Peace one, but that does not discredit the rest.

You have a reputation for being unsafe because of guns, not for being safe because of them.
 
Oooh yeah good point haha. I didn't intentionally misread it, but I must have.

But ignoring the one wikipedia page, there are countless others on safety I did quote.

Care to talk about why you guys havent even reached top 20?
It's all good, and I did even admit that the US isn't close to the safest country, just that the comparison to Brazil was inaccurate. As to why, there are likely many factors, including laws and culture, but, like I mentioned before, it may have something to do with the philosophy of the founding fathers and the emphasis on maximizing freedom that has been a theme throughout US history, as evidenced by Thomas Jefferson saying "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it."

Edit: Also, like I mentioned, guns are so omnipresent in the US that it may not even be possible to get rid of them all. Many states/cities with very restrictive gun laws still have plenty of gun-related crimes and murder. Asking people to turn in their guns doesn't always work for criminals. It's more nuanced than just saying that all the problems will disappear if guns were outlawed tomorrow. I mean, no one does drugs because they're illegal, right?
 
All I know is that if the government tells me all 4 indestructible black boxes vaporized into oblivion on 9-11 yet the hijackor’s passport magically flew out of his pocket through the fireball on top of all the rubble with minor damage I believe it because it would be silly for them to think they could trick people out in the open like that.
Who mentioned 9/11 man? Don't strawman me. Im talking about this singular instance only.

And Ax, the boxes are absolutely not indestructible so don't be an ass. There are countless times where boxes have been recovered only to have been destroyed in the impact and the data within unreadable.

In fact, a LOT of the time one or both boxes contain no usable data.

They're not indestructible. And certainly not expected to survive a fully loaded plane impacting a building and vaporizing.

Look up other fatal crashes worldwide and search for cockpit data. You'll be surprised how few of the worst ones (particularly when a plane crashes full of fuel) are salvageable
 
It's not a gun issue, it's a cultural issue.
Of course it's social issues (not culture), but a gun gives someone access to kill alot of people from a distance.

It's also a gun issue
 
I feel like you don't even jnow what you're talking about sometimes.

Go to Google. Type in "top safest countries". Look for yourself that the US is on NONE of them.

Go ahead and do it.

Yes, I made an error on the Peace one, but that does not discredit the rest.

You have a reputation for being unsafe because of guns, not for being safe because of them.

Again, you can't explain how a country with fewer people that has 40,000 more homicides than the US can be considered "safer". You also can't explain how suicide rates of the US contribute to it being considered more unsafe.
 
Of course it's social issues (not culture), but a gun gives someone access to kill alot of people from a distance.

It's also a gun issue
There is the legitimate question of if outlawing guns would even get them out of the hands of criminals and gang members, who, by definition, would likely not obey the law to turn their guns in, and may only serve to disarm law abiding citizens. Again, I'm not saying we do nothing, only that an outright ban is overly simplistic and seems unlikely to be effective, not that you're suggesting it would work.
 
Again, you can't explain how a country with fewer people that has 40,000 more homicides than the US can be considered "safer".
I think he admitted he misread the Brazil comparison. The US is safer then Brazil, but less safe than many other countries. The US often has more freedom/liberty, but it is entirely possible it comes with a trade off of a little less safety. The founding fathers seemed to be aware of this. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it or not, but it seems to be fairly accurate.
 
I wonder where all the people are who claim the massacre could have been prevented by more people carrying guns?

Oh that's right, it wouldn't have helped at all in this situation.
 
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