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I don't know what you guys know about the 60's and 70's.... but when I look negatively at todays youth, I have to revisit what our parents must have thought of MY generation.....things have come full circle, lol.

Regardless of our societal issues and what some (well one person lol) think how the majority of our population being "selfish and lazy" I'm proud of the many and many contributing to the relief efforts of the hurricane crisis and am especially proud of those in those communities giving their neighbors a helping hand....all old, middle aged and the youth!
 
Ok I have no true direction oops
I never said that, you literally went over how I complemented your mindset while thinking I personally attacked you.
So says the guy who slanders Americans of being selfish, greedy and lazy during our current hurricane crisis but hasn't done jack to do anything about anything himself but point fingers at society.
You obviously aren't reading what I'm typing anymore, I criticize those who could but choose not to. I'm too young to have made a difference in society and I'm choosing to make a stand now.
You keep telling people not to listen to CNN, but you're obviously being influenced by media that our society is supposedly so bad. What exactly is it you are doing to better society? You talk about virtue signaling in others, but all I see if you complaining about other people and blaming the country's problems on them, yet offer no solutions. No more empty words. What are you doing to better yourself and the country? If you're going to judge others, you need to be an example yourself.

I'm not influenced my the media, I just care about what's wrong because that effect how the government treats everyone. There's no favoritism in government policy, only predators that manipulate it in their interest. I'm doing what I need to do so I can get somewhere that matters. My solution? National unity, that's all. What am I doing? I'm dedicating my life to get somewhere that matters. Everyday I dedicate my life to be someone that matters, I don't expect you to believe but I'm a little too selfless which doesn't work in my favor but if it helps others then I don't care.

You have so many questions for everyone whenever they post up something you don't like yet it seems like you contribute nothing useful.
 
Regardless of our societal issues and what some (well one person lol) think how the majority of our population being "selfish and lazy" I'm proud of the many and many contributing to the relief efforts of the hurricane crisis and am especially proud of those in those communities giving their neighbors a helping hand....all old, middle aged and the youth!

It's fine to be proud, hell I love what progress America has had as a whole but too many people focus on everything good and ignore everyone horrible within our society. Yea it isn't perfect but should we just accept this and remain stagnant or achieve for a better America?
 
I'm not influenced my the media, I just care about what's wrong because that effect how the government treats everyone. There's no favoritism in government policy, only predators that manipulate it in their interest. I'm doing what I need to do so I can get somewhere that matters. My solution? National unity, that's all. What am I doing? I'm dedicating my life to get somewhere that matters. Everyday I dedicate my life to be someone that matters, I don't expect you to believe but I'm a little too selfless which doesn't work in my favor but if it helps others then I don't care.

You have so many questions for everyone whenever they post up something you don't like yet it seems like you contribute nothing useful.

Have you ever seen the movie, The Breakfast Club? If so, do you remember the part where the character Brian is trying to convince the others that he's had sex before, but claims the girl lives in Canada so nobody could confirm if he's lying or not. That's what this reminds me of. You come in with this whole big speech about how everybody else is so selfish and we call you out for being a hypocrite and ask what you've done to help. And your reply is that you're selfless and then you give some vague answers about how you do so much, but you're going to keep it vague and try and change the subject because you've been called out yet again for being full of crap.
 
It's fine to be proud, hell I love what progress America has had as a whole but too many people focus on everything good and ignore everyone horrible within our society. Yea it isn't perfect but should we just accept this and remain stagnant or achieve for a better America?

wow...we must be living on different planets!!!
 
wow...we must be living on different planets!!!

Are you happy with the black on black crime? Are you happy about the obesity epidemic? Are you happy about every statistical issue that is promoting a decline in society? Yes crime will always exist but it can also be minimized efficiently.
 
Have you ever seen the movie, The Breakfast Club? If so, do you remember the part where the character Brian is trying to convince the others that he's had sex before, but claims the girl lives in Canada so nobody could confirm if he's lying or not. That's what this reminds me of. You come in with this whole big speech about how everybody else is so selfish and we call you out for being a hypocrite and ask what you've done to help. And your reply is that you're selfless and then you give some vague answers about how you do so much, but you're going to keep it vague and try and change the subject because you've been called out yet again for being full of crap.

I'll explain whatever you deem vague.
 
All I'm saying is that we should be happy about the accomplishments within America but we shouldn't be satisfied. There is a lot still wrong that needs to be corrected, both the left and right wingers are correct and wrong in many of these cases.
 
I never said that, you literally went over how I complemented your mindset while thinking I personally attacked you.

You obviously aren't reading what I'm typing anymore,

I'm not be hypocritical, I just recently found my direction and I sacrificing my life to attempt to get where I want to be so I can be change with direction. I am young so I have the years to sacrifice. I wish people like you were willing to do so too because mostly everyone working within government have no true direction to what works and what's good.

Ok I re-read. I dunno sometimes the way you write things out can be confusing to the reader online.

Hell look at the about if obese people are in the US and how many die because of their obese yet even with that info out there no one thinks it's a legitimate issue or they prefer to self indulge.

This is yet another ignoramus offensive statement. Obesity is in many cases a medical condition, either mental, physiologically or both. Still, I know many obese people actually have contributed to help those in the hurricane both physically or monetarily unlike you who just like to slander my society as a whole while contributing nothing.
 
Ok I re-read. I dunno sometimes the way you write things out can be confusing to the reader online.



This is yet another ignoramus offensive statement. Obesity is in many cases a medical condition, either mental, physiologically or both. Still, I know many obese people actually have contributed to help those in the hurricane both physically or monetarily unlike you who just like to slander my society as a whole while contributing nothing.

Ok but that all still surrounds a societal issue, it can be corrected. I don't know why you take offense to that. It's merely a label for a issue that the modern American culture promotes. "Let do the minimum to get by and if we can do nothing while still getting by then let's do that".

Yes there are different cultures within the US but they can still can be classified under a certain culture, this would be cultural Marxism.
 
Are you happy with the black on black crime? Are you happy about the obesity epidemic? Are you happy about every statistical issue that is promoting a decline in society? Yes crime will always exist but it can also be minimized efficiently.


I am happy just to be alive....I firmly believe this country will survive the present day obstacles just as we have obstacles in the past, and be greater for having survived them.
 
You obviously aren't reading what I'm typing anymore, I criticize those who could but choose not to. I'm too young to have made a difference in society and I'm choosing to make a stand now.

Well that is how I interpreted below which is a fairly blanket statement about most people that have it well set for themselves. Then you do retract a bit in a later post and say selfish within society, but I dunno your like all over the place. You did say "most" then selfish within which what does that mean anyways, that you think most are selfish? Thats what I think you meant which in that case I think your wrong about "most.'

I did misread it but I'll still stand with my statement. People that aren't willing to sacrifice time or money to help out natural disasters(community) will be driven to help themselves rather then others. They're selfish and driven by private gain rather than societal prosperity.

The Texas disaster is horrible, what sucks is most people don't care to help(not including ones that can't financially). Most don't want to participate, even the most wealthy of our country.

Only a select few are willing to help society and they are real Americans. The one thing no one wants to be anymore.
 
I am happy just to be alive....I firmly believe this country will survive the present day obstacles just as we have obstacles in the past, and be greater for having survived them.

You're right but history repeats itself as we see the Nazi mentality growing in the left young. National unity is the end result to get this nation on track but we have two and only two types of nation unity. One is nazism(biological racism/ethnically nationalism) and the other is fascism(spiritual nationalism/conscious unity).
 
I'm choosing to make a stand now.

Ok, so what are you going to do now? If you donate a small amount of money for the hurricane thats a start, what do you say? Maybe start a little fund raiser like Aleks suggeste, if you raise 50 bucks thats 50 bucks and some food into those shelters.
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It's fine to be proud, hell I love what progress America has had as a whole but too many people focus on everything good and ignore everyone horrible within our society. Yea it isn't perfect but should we just accept this and remain stagnant or achieve for a better America?

Your turning this into overall generalizations though...our original discussion was how when it comes to the Hurricane disaster most people do nothing and dont care and how you havent done anything yourself but point fingers and slander people for doing nothing.

Nobody here is ignoring the horrible issues in society...Im one of the biggest complaining bitches on here bro!!!!! LOL But I dont slander my people as a whole, there are alot of good hard working, generous people in the USA both poor and rich....and that includes Obese people too!

As a American society we have contributed to more help around the globe with aid paid by our tax dollars more than probably the past 1000 years of all governments combined.
 
You're right but history repeats itself as we see the Nazi mentality growing in the left young. National unity is the end result to get this nation on track but we have two and only two types of nation unity. One is nazism(biological racism/ethnically nationalism) and the other is fascism(spiritual nationalism/conscious unity).

If you think those are your only two choices, you really need to travel and meet new people.
 
Ok but that all still surrounds a societal issue, it can be corrected. I don't know why you take offense to that. It's merely a label for a issue that the modern American culture promotes. "Let do the minimum to get by and if we can do nothing while still getting by then let's do that".

Yes there are different cultures within the US but they can still can be classified under a certain culture, this would be cultural Marxism.

It took me 17 years of hard work and failures to correct my weight issues, so yeah when you correlate obese people as stagnant, lazy and selfish I might take it negatively because I know how its like and how its like for many other people....and Ive been bullied in my youth just because I was overweight. You dont contribute to correcting issues in society if your labeling them with mere slander names and accusations.
 
Ok so how many types of nationalism exist?

Nationalism has been around longer than whatever alt-right definition you're using. Here is a quick and dirty list of some, but the reality is that nationalism is a general term and can be based on anything. You can unite people over anything, but you end up dividing them as well. Both of your examples have been tried and history has shown them to be failures. Which one exactly are you promoting?

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Are you happy with the black on black crime? Are you happy about the obesity epidemic? Are you happy about every statistical issue that is promoting a decline in society? Yes crime will always exist but it can also be minimized efficiently.

Or maybe black people already has their lives mapped out by the nature of their race and there is nothing we can do to minimize that? VVV

Human nature and be measured and mapped out through race, religion, IQ, and heritage. The only thats individual is the consciousness.
 
Or maybe black people already has their lives mapped out by the nature of their race and there is nothing we can do to minimize that? VVV

This is my favorite part when he starts talking about how he's predisposed to having a high IQ simply because he's white, but can't be bothered to use a ****ing spell-check
 
Nationalism has been around longer than whatever alt-right definition you're using. Here is a quick and dirty list of some, but the reality is that nationalism is a general term and can be based on anything. You can unite people over anything, but you end up dividing them as well. Both of your examples have been tried and history has shown them to be failures. Which one exactly are you promoting?

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So if you love your American Star Spangled Banner you either support Hitler or Mussolini/??? RRROOFFFLLLL!!!!!! WWII we should have only taken one out instead of both, makes no logical sense to rid both those mofo's because then we lose all our national identities! We have no face!
 
Your turning this into overall generalizations though...our original discussion was how when it comes to the Hurricane disaster most people do nothing and dont care and how you havent done anything yourself but point fingers and slander people for doing nothing.

Nobody here is ignoring the horrible issues in society...Im one of the biggest complaining bitches on here bro!!!!! LOL But I dont slander my people as a whole, there are alot of good hard working, generous people in the USA both poor and rich....and that includes Obese people too!

As a American society we have contributed to more help around the globe with aid paid by our tax dollars more than probably the past 1000 years of all governments combined.

I'm not slandering, I'm call out a destructive part of our culture that leading to the stagnation of our growth. Yes there are great people that go against cultural norms being promoted but cheering these people on doesn't do anything to the consciousness of the negativity within our society.

I know everyone likes that "you're doing nothing so don't point fingers" argument but that doesn't change the facts.

There's no need to be offended, cultural Marxism has created a cultural that promotes laziness, no that's not everyone but it's still exists and it needs to be acknowledged because that will be the destruction of the US if its further ignored in the name of liberalism
 
I'm not slandering, I'm call out a destructive part of our culture that leading to the stagnation of our growth. Yes there are great people that go against cultural norms being promoted but cheering these people on doesn't do anything to the consciousness of the negativity within our society.

I know everyone likes that "you're doing nothing so don't point fingers" argument but that doesn't change the facts.

There's no need to be offended, cultural Marxism has created a cultural that promotes laziness, no that's not everyone but it's still exists and it needs to be acknowledged because that will be the destruction of the US if its further ignored in the name of liberalism

Oh **** off with your cultural Marxism bull****. You want to call out a destructive part of our culture? How about racist white trash that wants to blame everything in their life on other people because they're too ****ing lazy to just go out and be good people.
 
I'm not slandering, I'm call out a destructive part of our culture that leading to the stagnation of our growth. Yes there are great people that go against cultural norms being promoted but cheering these people on doesn't do anything to the consciousness of the negativity within our society.

I know everyone likes that "you're doing nothing so don't point fingers" argument but that doesn't change the facts.

There's no need to be offended, cultural Marxism has created a cultural that promotes laziness, no that's not everyone but it's still exists and it needs to be acknowledged because that will be the destruction of the US if its further ignored in the name of liberalism

And what does all that have to do with your accusations of Americans contributing to Hurricane Harvey? And when are you finally going to start doing something about it yourself?
 
Oh **** off with your cultural Marxism bull****. You want to call out a destructive part of our culture? How about racist white trash that wants to blame everything in their life on other people because they're too ****ing lazy to just go out and be good people.

Here are lazy selfish destructive marxists for you, this is just a start :)

Verizon — Verizon has pledged $10 million to Harvey relief efforts. The company said it is working with local and state government officials to identify four nonprofit agencies. It will share more details in the coming days.

Toyota — Toyota will provide more than $3 million to help. The company will donate money and match dealer donations to organizations such as the St. Bernard Project and the American Red Cross. It will also donate preowned Toyota and Lexus vehicles to help move people and property.

Carnival — Carnival Corporation has pledged at least $2 million to relief efforts. Carnival Cruise Line and the Carnival Foundation are each contributing $500,000. The cruise company's chairman, Micky Arison, and his wife, Madeleine, are matching the company's donation and are donating $1 million from their family foundation.

Apple — Apple has donated $2 million to the American Red Cross. The company will match employee donations 2-to-1 through the end of September. It has also started allowing people to make donations through iTunes.

Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo — The Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo is committing $2 million to relief efforts and will announce more details of its donation in the coming weeks.

Abbott — Abbott and its foundation are donating $1 million in grants, healthcare products and nutrition products. The Abbott Fund is giving a total of $900,000 in grants to the American Red Cross, Americares and Direct Relief. Abbott is donating $100,000 worth of healthcare and nutrition products.

Amazon and Whole Foods Market — Amazon and Whole Foods Market will match up to $1 million in donations made to the American Red Cross via Amazon. The website includes a link to make a donation as well as one to send essential items from the Red Cross' wish list.

Bank of America — The Bank of America Charitable Foundation has made a $1 million commitment to Harvey relief. The foundation will initially give $250,000 to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund and will allocate the rest later once long-term recovery needs are identified. It will also match employee pledges.

Cheniere Energy — Cheniere will donate $1 million to the American Red Cross.

Chevron — Chevron Corporation is donating $1 million to the American Red Cross. The company will also match donations its employees and retirees make to relief efforts.

Coca-Cola — The Coca-Cola Foundation has pledged $1 million to the American Red Cross. The company is matching employee donations, up to $100,000, to the Coca-Cola Employee Disaster Relief Fund, which will go to company associates affected by the storm. The Coca-Cola system has also donated nearly 25,000 cases of water, milk, sports drinks and other beverages to people in the affected areas. The company said it expects to donate more in the coming days.

Comcast NBCUniversal — Comcast NBCUniversal has pledged more than $1 million to relief efforts. The contribution includes $500,000 in cash that will be shared between the Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund and the American Red Cross. The company will also donate advertising time to the organizations.

Dow Chemical Company — The Dow Chemical Company Foundation has pledged $1 million to relief efforts. It will donate $100,000 to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund, $100,000 to Team Rubicon and $200,000 to other local nonprofit organizations. The foundation will match employee and retiree donations up to $100,000. It will use the remaining $500,000 to help long-term rebuilding efforts.

ExxonMobil — Exxon Mobil Corporation will give the United Way of Greater Houston $500,000 in addition to the $500,000 it gave the American Red Cross.

Facebook — Facebook will match up to $1 million raised on the social media site for the Center for Disaster Philanthropy's Hurricane Harvey Recovery Fund.

Google — Google will match up to $1 million in donations made to the American Red Cross. Google has already committed $750,000 to relief efforts through company and employee donations. In total, the company is pledging $2 million to relief efforts.

HCA Healthcare — HCA Healthcare will donate $1 million to the American Red Cross. It will also match up to $1 million in employee donations to the company's employee assistance nonprofit organization.

Hilton — Hilton has committed $500,000 to relief efforts, and the Conrad N. Hilton Foundation has pledged $500,000. The hotel chain is also giving Hilton Honors Members the chance to donate their reward points to the American Red Cross.

Home Depot — The Home Depot Foundation has pledged $1 million to organizations including the American Red Cross, Salvation Army, Convoy of Hope, Operation Blessing and Team Rubicon. The hardware store company will also send its Team Depot volunteers to help the cleanup effort and deliver supplies to the affected areas.

Intercontinental Exchange — Intercontinental Exchange is making a $1 million donation to the Red Cross. The company will also match employee donations to the organization.

Jefferies — Jefferies will donate $1 million to Hurricane Harvey relief efforts. It will also donate all net trading commissions on Wednesday from U.S., European and Asia equity, fixed income and foreign exchange trading. Employees have the opportunity to donate, too.

JPMorgan Chase — JPMorgan Chase will donate $1 million to the American Red Cross and other organizations who are working to help those affected.

Lennar — Lennar has pledged $1 million to the United Way of Greater Houston Flood Relief Fund. The homebuilding company will also match employee contributions.

Mattress Firm — Houston-based Mattress Firm is donating $1 million in products. The company will also use a percentage of every purchase made in-stores through Sept. 5 to donate an additional $1 million worth of pillows, blankets and mattresses. Customers at Mattress Firm stores can also donate to the American Red Cross Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund.

PepsiCo — PepsiCo and its foundation are providing more than $1 million in cash and products to the Red Cross.

United Airlines — United has donated $1.1 million between cash contributions, food and amenity donations and value of relief flights.

UnitedHealthcare — UnitedHealthcare, Optum and UnitedHealth Group will donate $1 million to relief efforts. The company is working to determine where the funds will be most effective. It will also match employee donations 2-to-1.

UPS — The UPS Foundation has pledged more than $1 million to organizations including the American Red Cross and The Salvation Army.

Wal-Mart — Wal-Mart and the company's foundation will provide cash and product donations of at least $1 million to organizations helping with relief, such as the American Red Cross, Salvation Army and Convoy of Hope.

Wells Fargo — Wells Fargo is donating $500,000 to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund and $500,000 to local nonprofits. Wells Fargo customers can donate to the American Red Cross at ATMs nationwide.

These donations were all announced before the end of business on Wednesday.

— CNBC is a unit of Comcast NBCUniversal.
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That goodness none of the above ^^^ are run by obese people, or this all would have just stagnated into oblivion.
 
And what does all that have to do with your accusations of Americans contributing to Hurricane Harvey? And when are you finally going to start doing something about it yourself?

He's handing out hoods and torches to anybody that is in need, as long as they meet the requirements on his color chart.
 
For what it's worth, I can appreciate both sides of this argument in the surface. Without taking each point and over generalizing it to everybody.

That is the problem with all of our issues...political, societal, etc. Everything is always so black and white and must cater to the extreme end of either argument.

Should one be proud of their home, their country, exhibit some level of Nationalism? Yes. It promotes confidence and courage and the desire to further what is good in a country, state, neighborhood, whatever. But should they blindly serve and disregard what is wrong with that society or government? Of course not.

All answers lie in the middle to all our concerns, whatever they are. The extreme ends, blanket categorization, and that blind servitude prevent all things good.

I know little of Marxism, true Fascism, or even Naziism (whatever the fuk that is), but sometimes I wonder if this country isn't too big and too populated to govern in its current form.

I love this country for just a few more reasons than I hate it. But I could say that about anywhere. Show me the model that works!! It hardly exists, at least not on this scale. Small countries, sure.
 
I love this country for just a few more reasons than I hate it. But I could say that about anywhere. Show me the model that works!! It hardly exists, at least not on this scale. Small countries, sure.

Well, thats what America is supposed to be, it was set up as a group of small countries and localities can set up their local needs and way of life within the framework of the Bill of Rights and Constitution. That of course, as our founding fathers warned the Federal Government has and will continue to expand its powers and infringe on the rights of the states/mini-countries. The average person does seem to be sold out on the Federal Government being the primary force of governance when that shouldnt be the case.

Keep in mind this debate occurred specifically over Hurricane Harvey...all these other issues, marxism and life were just a convenient attempt at a distraction :)
 
Well, thats what America is supposed to be, it was set up as a group of small countries and localities can set up their local needs and way of life within the framework of the Bill of Rights and Constitution. That of course, as our founding fathers warned the Federal Government has and will continue to expand its powers and infringe on the rights of the states/mini-countries. The average person does seem to be sold out on the Federal Government being the primary force of governance when that shouldnt be the case.

Keep in mind this debate occurred specifically over Hurricane Harvey...all these other issues, marxism and life were just a convenient attempt at a distraction :)

Don't you try and get this thread focused on 1 topic at a time sir!! Lol
 
How dare you speak ill of our totally athletic President who's not obese at all :P

Reason why Dump and KummJong-Bigbum havent blown up the globe and universe yet is that thankfully their obesity has naturally stagnated the whole process.

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Oh **** off with your cultural Marxism bull****. You want to call out a destructive part of our culture? How about racist white trash that wants to blame everything in their life on other people because they're too ****ing lazy to just go out and be good people.

Yea that would fall under cultural Marxism.
 
Well that is how I interpreted below which is a fairly blanket statement about most people that have it well set for themselves. Then you do retract a bit in a later post and say selfish within society, but I dunno your like all over the place. You did say "most" then selfish within which what does that mean anyways, that you think most are selfish? Thats what I think you meant which in that case I think your wrong about "most.'
Just because someone is selfish doesn't mean they won't help out, there levels of selfishness, it's not black and white. I say it's black and white because there's no legitimate measurement of selfishness besides action.
Ok, so what are you going to do now? If you donate a small amount of money for the hurricane thats a start, what do you say? Maybe start a little fund raiser like Aleks suggeste, if you raise 50 bucks thats 50 bucks and some food into those shelters.
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I'm going to go talk to whomever at my job to see if I can go volunteer and if they can set it up. If I can't due to being new and the lack of staff at hand then I'll donate what I can since I don't have much.

Your turning this into overall generalizations though...our original discussion was how when it comes to the Hurricane disaster most people do nothing and dont care and how you havent done anything yourself but point fingers and slander people for doing nothing.

Nobody here is ignoring the horrible issues in society...Im one of the biggest complaining bitches on here bro!!!!! LOL But I dont slander my people as a whole, there are alot of good hard working, generous people in the USA both poor and rich....and that includes Obese people too!

As a American society we have contributed to more help around the globe with aid paid by our tax dollars more than probably the past 1000 years of all governments combined.
There no need to take my wording personal, hell I can be a lazy sack of **** and I know many people that are worthless selfish *******s plus they'll admit to it but I'm trying to change because it's wrong and I have a reason to. They don't have any reason to do so they don't care about how their actions determine the outcome or their future and our society's future with effects everyone.

Yes I do generalize and yes maybe I'm shooting too early to say people aren't helping, I'll admit to that, but I'll also say that there are corporations, large businesses, and celebrities that can donate large portions to help out. They are still Americans too.

Everyone know what good we've done and the good within our society, why should I be demonized for being real about what's wrong?

QUOTE=ax1;5836996]It took me 17 years of hard work and failures to correct my weight issues, so yeah when you correlate obese people as stagnant, lazy and selfish I might take it negatively because I know how its like and how its like for many other people....and Ive been bullied in my youth just because I was overweight. You dont contribute to correcting issues in society if your labeling them with mere slander names and accusations.[/QUOTE]
I've been there too, I've been bullied for being Spanish, fat, I've been take advantage of, beaten, and I also almost fell into drugs because I'm my pass passive personally. I did fall into alcoholism for 3 years and my mothers side had it a **** ton worse then most people. We all have pasts so I understand but I won't allow to determine how I perceive reality.

You're right it doesn't help, but taking offense to words doesn't help either. You're not like everyone so you should group yourself wth them. I don't and never will, we're not victims, we're victors. We are not statistics. We are not normal and it's ****ing great.
 
Yea that would fall under cultural Marxism.

The fact that you continue to use that term tells me that you're simply repeating a buzz word you heard yet don't understand the meaning of or you wouldn't use the term at all. Actual Marxist philosophers have repeatedly explained why that phrase makes absolutely no sense. So maybe focus on self improvement and less time on blaming other races for your troubles or else you're going to blink and be in the same exact spot you are right now, but much older with absolutely nothing to show for it.
 
Nationalism has been around longer than whatever alt-right definition you're using. Here is a quick and dirty list of some, but the reality is that nationalism is a general term and can be based on anything. You can unite people over anything, but you end up dividing them as well. Both of your examples have been tried and history has shown them to be failures. Which one exactly are you promoting?

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What the link said is that it's basically an argument between different people whether or not those types are legitimate. All those nationalisms revolve around ethnicity (which correlates with culture),national identity, and religion(which would correlate with ethnicity and culture) so in the end all those different type are irrelevant.
 
So if you love your American Star Spangled Banner you either support Hitler or Mussolini/??? RRROOFFFLLLL!!!!!! WWII we should have only taken one out instead of both, makes no logical sense to rid both those mofo's because then we lose all our national identities! We have no face!

You just don't know what you're talking about at this point.
 
Here are lazy selfish destructive marxists for you, this is just a start :)

Verizon — Verizon has pledged $10 million to Harvey relief efforts. The company said it is working with local and state government officials to identify four nonprofit agencies. It will share more details in the coming days.

Toyota — Toyota will provide more than $3 million to help. The company will donate money and match dealer donations to organizations such as the St. Bernard Project and the American Red Cross. It will also donate preowned Toyota and Lexus vehicles to help move people and property.

Carnival — Carnival Corporation has pledged at least $2 million to relief efforts. Carnival Cruise Line and the Carnival Foundation are each contributing $500,000. The cruise company's chairman, Micky Arison, and his wife, Madeleine, are matching the company's donation and are donating $1 million from their family foundation.

Apple — Apple has donated $2 million to the American Red Cross. The company will match employee donations 2-to-1 through the end of September. It has also started allowing people to make donations through iTunes.

Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo — The Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo is committing $2 million to relief efforts and will announce more details of its donation in the coming weeks.

Abbott — Abbott and its foundation are donating $1 million in grants, healthcare products and nutrition products. The Abbott Fund is giving a total of $900,000 in grants to the American Red Cross, Americares and Direct Relief. Abbott is donating $100,000 worth of healthcare and nutrition products.

Amazon and Whole Foods Market — Amazon and Whole Foods Market will match up to $1 million in donations made to the American Red Cross via Amazon. The website includes a link to make a donation as well as one to send essential items from the Red Cross' wish list.

Bank of America — The Bank of America Charitable Foundation has made a $1 million commitment to Harvey relief. The foundation will initially give $250,000 to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund and will allocate the rest later once long-term recovery needs are identified. It will also match employee pledges.

Cheniere Energy — Cheniere will donate $1 million to the American Red Cross.

Chevron — Chevron Corporation is donating $1 million to the American Red Cross. The company will also match donations its employees and retirees make to relief efforts.

Coca-Cola — The Coca-Cola Foundation has pledged $1 million to the American Red Cross. The company is matching employee donations, up to $100,000, to the Coca-Cola Employee Disaster Relief Fund, which will go to company associates affected by the storm. The Coca-Cola system has also donated nearly 25,000 cases of water, milk, sports drinks and other beverages to people in the affected areas. The company said it expects to donate more in the coming days.

Comcast NBCUniversal — Comcast NBCUniversal has pledged more than $1 million to relief efforts. The contribution includes $500,000 in cash that will be shared between the Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund and the American Red Cross. The company will also donate advertising time to the organizations.

Dow Chemical Company — The Dow Chemical Company Foundation has pledged $1 million to relief efforts. It will donate $100,000 to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund, $100,000 to Team Rubicon and $200,000 to other local nonprofit organizations. The foundation will match employee and retiree donations up to $100,000. It will use the remaining $500,000 to help long-term rebuilding efforts.

ExxonMobil — Exxon Mobil Corporation will give the United Way of Greater Houston $500,000 in addition to the $500,000 it gave the American Red Cross.

Facebook — Facebook will match up to $1 million raised on the social media site for the Center for Disaster Philanthropy's Hurricane Harvey Recovery Fund.

Google — Google will match up to $1 million in donations made to the American Red Cross. Google has already committed $750,000 to relief efforts through company and employee donations. In total, the company is pledging $2 million to relief efforts.

HCA Healthcare — HCA Healthcare will donate $1 million to the American Red Cross. It will also match up to $1 million in employee donations to the company's employee assistance nonprofit organization.

Hilton — Hilton has committed $500,000 to relief efforts, and the Conrad N. Hilton Foundation has pledged $500,000. The hotel chain is also giving Hilton Honors Members the chance to donate their reward points to the American Red Cross.

Home Depot — The Home Depot Foundation has pledged $1 million to organizations including the American Red Cross, Salvation Army, Convoy of Hope, Operation Blessing and Team Rubicon. The hardware store company will also send its Team Depot volunteers to help the cleanup effort and deliver supplies to the affected areas.

Intercontinental Exchange — Intercontinental Exchange is making a $1 million donation to the Red Cross. The company will also match employee donations to the organization.

Jefferies — Jefferies will donate $1 million to Hurricane Harvey relief efforts. It will also donate all net trading commissions on Wednesday from U.S., European and Asia equity, fixed income and foreign exchange trading. Employees have the opportunity to donate, too.

JPMorgan Chase — JPMorgan Chase will donate $1 million to the American Red Cross and other organizations who are working to help those affected.

Lennar — Lennar has pledged $1 million to the United Way of Greater Houston Flood Relief Fund. The homebuilding company will also match employee contributions.

Mattress Firm — Houston-based Mattress Firm is donating $1 million in products. The company will also use a percentage of every purchase made in-stores through Sept. 5 to donate an additional $1 million worth of pillows, blankets and mattresses. Customers at Mattress Firm stores can also donate to the American Red Cross Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund.

PepsiCo — PepsiCo and its foundation are providing more than $1 million in cash and products to the Red Cross.

United Airlines — United has donated $1.1 million between cash contributions, food and amenity donations and value of relief flights.

UnitedHealthcare — UnitedHealthcare, Optum and UnitedHealth Group will donate $1 million to relief efforts. The company is working to determine where the funds will be most effective. It will also match employee donations 2-to-1.

UPS — The UPS Foundation has pledged more than $1 million to organizations including the American Red Cross and The Salvation Army.

Wal-Mart — Wal-Mart and the company's foundation will provide cash and product donations of at least $1 million to organizations helping with relief, such as the American Red Cross, Salvation Army and Convoy of Hope.

Wells Fargo — Wells Fargo is donating $500,000 to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund and $500,000 to local nonprofits. Wells Fargo customers can donate to the American Red Cross at ATMs nationwide.

These donations were all announced before the end of business on Wednesday.

— CNBC is a unit of Comcast NBCUniversal.
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Ok thank you, I stand corrected.
 
For what it's worth, I can appreciate both sides of this argument in the surface. Without taking each point and over generalizing it to everybody.

That is the problem with all of our issues...political, societal, etc. Everything is always so black and white and must cater to the extreme end of either argument.

Should one be proud of their home, their country, exhibit some level of Nationalism? Yes. It promotes confidence and courage and the desire to further what is good in a country, state, neighborhood, whatever. But should they blindly serve and disregard what is wrong with that society or government? Of course not.

All answers lie in the middle to all our concerns, whatever they are. The extreme ends, blanket categorization, and that blind servitude prevent all things good.

I know little of Marxism, true Fascism, or even Naziism (whatever the fuk that is), but sometimes I wonder if this country isn't too big and too populated to govern in its current form.

I love this country for just a few more reasons than I hate it. But I could say that about anywhere. Show me the model that works!! It hardly exists, at least not on this scale. Small countries, sure.

You're 100% right, though I generalize because you can't fix anything if everyone is a individual(which is wrong even biologically) so generalization give a perspective on issues. I don't expect people to understand but that what the government does to keep order so its best to develop that type of mentality imo.
 
Dont worry CJ, we have some big disagreements today but your a good dude I know you at least care about people which is most important. I think you will do good things in the future, I just hope you know there are alot of good people here in our country than you give credit for (or at least I interpreted it that way) :)

Have a nice night.
 
Why must you label nationalism to an ideology to begin with? And how does spiritual nationalism/conscious unity equate to fascism?
Because people focus on the material world to determine what's right and wrong rather while excluding consciousness which is the only thing that matters. A conscious man will do what's right when no ones looking, while someone that lacks consciousness will do whatever to get by in life whether it's right or wrong.

This is my favorite part when he starts talking about how he's predisposed to having a high IQ simply because he's white, but can't be bothered to use a ****ing spell-check
I don't have a high IQ, it's just a normal one.
 
Well, thats what America is supposed to be, it was set up as a group of small countries and localities can set up their local needs and way of life within the framework of the Bill of Rights and Constitution. That of course, as our founding fathers warned the Federal Government has and will continue to expand its powers and infringe on the rights of the states/mini-countries. The average person does seem to be sold out on the Federal Government being the primary force of governance when that shouldnt be the case.

Keep in mind this debate occurred specifically over Hurricane Harvey...all these other issues, marxism and life were just a convenient attempt at a distraction :)

There no attempt to distract, I'm sorry you been me to be some dr evil mofo rather then just being civil individual have a conversation.
 
I'm going to go talk to whomever at my job to see if I can go volunteer and if they can set it up. If I can't due to being new and the lack of staff at hand then I'll donate what I can since I don't have much.

Dont feel bad about not giving much, dont worry. We all have to pay our bills and live out our lives. Anything helps at a time like this. We have 300 million people here and whoever gives it all adds up. There are people globally donating as well. There are going to be alot of issues coming out of this crisis but we all can do the best we can even if its just a little and help soften the crisis for our friends down south :)
 
The fact that you continue to use that term tells me that you're simply repeating a buzz word you heard yet don't understand the meaning of or you wouldn't use the term at all. Actual Marxist philosophers have repeatedly explained why that phrase makes absolutely no sense. So maybe focus on self improvement and less time on blaming other races for your troubles or else you're going to blink and be in the same exact spot you are right now, but much older with absolutely nothing to show for it.

I don't care for what a Marxist philosopher says as much as a free market economist says about anarcho capitalism. These buzzwords are merely there to group in individuals beside upon ideas and actions.

That really sucks that you actually remember me saying, I'm sorry you got me I'm all up in your head while you create some delusional perspective on me. You should talk to someone about that.
 
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