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Donald Trump running for president

yeah, look how well pulling our troops from Iraq has worked out....

There barely is anyone in our government interested in ending the wars....leaving was a good thing for business, lobby and power. Let things get crazy and keep staying/going back for centuries, rip of US tax payer money for life....if things calm too much overthrow another dictator in another country for no reason and lies and start a new war. That is US policy, run by big business people.

$600 billion dollar military budget....more than the entire globe combined and we can even give our own troops good health care, even let some of them rot to death in closets and hospital basements. All the answers are found when you follow the money.

None of these wars are about protecting our freedoms and democracy along with keeping us safe. Its all a lie post WWII anyways.
 
None of these wars are about protecting our freedoms and democracy along with keeping us safe. Its all a lie post WWII anyways.

1000% true.
Weapon and pharma industry = big business !
Its all about the business/money/interests..

More than 10 years American, Norwegian ++++ soldiers have been in afghanistan and the situation is worse than ever. So why are they there. Interests... what?opium as an example. Opium= morphine, heroin ++

10 years ago there was Al quaida and now its 100s of terror groups..
 
lol...some of those statues have been in place for over a hundred years...I hate to see history destroyed because it is offensive---isn't that what the Taliban did?

Actually they haven't. Most were erected during the time of Jim Crow laws in the 1920s.
 
1000% true.
Weapon and pharma industry = big business !
Its all about the business/money/interests..

More than 10 years American, Norwegian ++++ soldiers have been in afghanistan and the situation is worse than ever. So why are they there. Interests... what?opium as an example. Opium= morphine, heroin ++

10 years ago there was Al quaida and now its 100s of terror groups..

Its been an amazing 16 years now, the longest in US history.

2001 Opium was less than 10% of global production in Afghanistan.....now its 90%++ and US is having the worst heroin crisis in the history of our country.

We have on record our troops protecting opium fields and helping farmers grow it. We also have on record opium farmers being given our tax dollars compensation when the Taliban tried destroying crops who hated drugs.

Its sick, really sick....then NFL star Pat Tillman wanted to tell the world about it and they assassinate him on the battle field.
 
Actually they haven't. Most were erected during the time of Jim Crow laws in the 1920s.

Well yeah...if the Civil War was 150 years ago I dont think any of them have been up for hundreds, and none of them were put up before Confederates were born, lol. I think he was just trying to say they have been up for a long time.
 
Its been an amazing 16 years now, the longest in US history.

2001 Opium was less than 10% of global production in Afghanistan.....now its 90%++ and US is having the worst heroin crisis in the history of our country.

We have on record our troops protecting opium fields and helping farmers grow it. We also have on record opium farmers being given our tax dollars compensation when the Taliban tried destroying crops who hated drugs.

Its sick, really sick....then NFL star Pat Tillman wanted to tell the world about it and they assassinate him on the battle field.

Its definitely sick and thats how it works!
 
Its been an amazing 16 years now, the longest in US history.

2001 Opium was less than 10% of global production in Afghanistan.....now its 90%++ and US is having the worst heroin crisis in the history of our country.

We have on record our troops protecting opium fields and helping farmers grow it. We also have on record opium farmers being given our tax dollars compensation when the Taliban tried destroying crops who hated drugs.

Its sick, really sick....then NFL star Pat Tillman wanted to tell the world about it and they assassinate him on the battle field.

Video - U.S. Marines Guard Afghanistan Poppy Fields

U.S. Marines, sponsored by the U.S. taxpayer, stand vigilant watch over poppy fields in Afghanistan (and no Geraldo, the Taliban hated opium, thats why it almost disappeared by 2001 before the invasion when they had complete control of the country.)



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U.S. Marines Guard Afghanistan Poppy Fields

U.S. Marines, sponsored by the U.S. taxpayer, stand vigilant watch over poppy fields in Afghanistan



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And people are naive..believing soldiers are there to protect people. Haha its just funny.
 
And people are naive..believing soldiers are there to protect people. Haha its just funny.

Here is another one....we dont get news like this on mainstream anymore by the way.

Here is proof they are given our US stolen tax payer money to drug farmers just because their crops were damaged.

"If we secure them having a good harvest they get paid for their hard work" RRRROOOFFFLLLLL!!!!!!!

 
Well yeah...if the Civil War was 150 years ago I dont think any of them have been up for hundreds, and none of them were put up before Confederates were born, lol. I think he was just trying to say they have been up for a long time.
Right lol. Words matter!
 
And people are naive..believing soldiers are there to protect people. Haha its just funny.

I would rather say "people are naive....believing our soldiers were sent there to protect people."

Our troops in general are just professionals, they sign up and put their life on the line. They are told what to do and follow orders.

If there is one area I wanna sound politically proper, its to make sure I put all the blame the policy makers and not put the heat on our troops :) not saying you were but you know what I mean.
 
The point is this: the overwhelming majority of monuments and statues erected about the Civil War were erected during especially tumultuous times for civil rights. They were erected as tools of hate.
 
lol...some of those statues have been in place for over a hundred years...I hate to see history destroyed because it is offensive---isn't that what the Taliban did?

I don't see hundredS of years anywhere...do you?
 
The point is this: the overwhelming majority of monuments and statues erected about the Civil War were erected during especially tumultuous times for civil rights. They were erected as tools of hate.

lol...free speech is only good when you agree with it, right?
 
The point is this: the overwhelming majority of monuments and statues erected about the Civil War were erected during especially tumultuous times for civil rights. They were erected as tools of hate.

Why only pick on confederacy though? Everything about this establishment was built on slavery, we should demolish the white house (to NSA reading this, after the removal of everybody inside! lol ) and replace it with something built by Union paid workers.

Why cant we tear down every monument and painting of Abraham Lincoln who was a bi-polar pro slavery piece of crap who really truly (by his own writings) didnt give a damn about black people?

Ya know!! I dont mind acknowledging the history you bought up, we can teach that but its still good to keep the monuments up and reflect on the past.
 
I may have misread, but the point stands. The overwhelming majority are LESS than one hundred years old.

you say less I say some...c'mon now if you want to argue you can do better than that, lol.
 
Wow, just nevermind. It's apparent to me that you guys are just obtuse. You're comparing apples to oranges here.

dude...you are the one who brought it up..now you are going to blame me, lol!!!
 
Did I ****ing say that? You're the one making blanket statements about things you apparently know nothing about. Despite your "old man" status, you're pretty damn ignorant.

wow...YOU misread MY post and I am the one who is ignorant...you been drinking?
 
I drank an energy drink. Misreading a post is not the same as being ignorant.

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forgive me...I am just a poor simple boy without all of the vast education you have...

have a nice day!!!
 
Education has nothing to do with it. It's willful ignorance and stubborn resistance to new ideas and change.

be careful what you wish for... new ideas and change doesn't necessarily mean better. especially if it comes at the hand of mob rules!!!
 
Education has nothing to do with it. It's willful ignorance and stubborn resistance to new ideas and change.

There is good new ideas and bad new ideas....good change and bad change. Biased as well of course, but having differences doesnt always equate to ignorance and stubbornness. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt.

When people are having shytfits over stupid historical pieces of metal and getting distracted with irrelevant bullshyt and destroy things that wont effect their daily lives anyways over real public policy I think we have some serious problems with our society.

Some people prefer restoration rather than new ideas and change as when change deteriorates the quality of life. restoration comes to save the day.
 
There is good new ideas and bad new ideas....good change and bad change. Biased as well of course, but having differences doesnt always equate to ignorance and stubbornness. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt.

When people are having shytfits over stupid historical pieces of metal and getting distracted with irrelevant bullshyt and destroy things that wont effect their daily lives anyways over real public policy I think we have some serious problems with our society.

Some people prefer restoration rather than new ideas and change as when change deteriorates the quality of life. restoration comes to save the day.

isn't that what the liberals are saying about Obamacare...fix it don't destroy it, lol. I guess that aren't as much for change as they claim--only when it suits their agenda:stups:
 
isn't that what the liberals are saying about Obamacare...fix it don't destroy it, lol. I guess that aren't as much for change as they claim--only when it suits their agenda:stups:

Libtards who want to destroy lifeless historical statues because they offend some people then vote for Hiltery who's main inspiration is Margret Sanger who created planned parenthood to reduce the black population and gave speeches to the KKK and then libtards want to ferociously attack conservatives who want to stop funding minority slaughtering planned parenthood.
 
Libtards who want to destroy lifeless historical statues because they offend some people then vote for Hiltery who's main inspiration is Margret Sanger who created planned parenthood to reduce the black population and gave speeches to the KKK and then libtards want to ferociously attack conservatives who want to stop minority slaughtering planned parenthood.

I bet you didn't hear that on cnn, lol.
 
I bet you didn't hear that on cnn, lol.

I bet CNN doesnt tell people that the Civil War regardless of what caused it had a death total of 620,000....Hitlery's policies killed 220,000 in Afghanistan, 30,000 in lybia, 8,000 in Ukraine, 6,000 in Yemen, 400,000 to 1,000,000 in Iraq, 250,000 in Syria and these are 2016 #s.

In total Civil War overall killed 620,000 and Hitlery caused the deaths of 664,000 on the low end to 1,264,000 on the high end....in 2016 #s of course her policies still have effects up to date and not counting the creation of ISIS and those death totals.

Even Hitleries low end death total surpassed the entire Civil War death total on both sides.

Nice Job Libtards!!!! Keep ripping dead people's monuments down and keep voting for genocidal policy makers!!!!!!
 
From an outside perspective:

The majority of those fighting back about keeping the monuments are those who support Nazism. Do you think they actually care for those monuments, or do you think they are fighting about what they interpret those monuments to mean to them - which is oppression of minorities. Whether you agree or not, those monuments stand for something poisonous and it is showing with these rallies and displays.

Also if private companies decide to remove hate speech, or if spotify decides to remove songs about hate then let it be so. It's their company to do as they please. Freedom of speech isn't actually the ability to say what you want without consequence, and it certainly does not justify hate speech.
 
From an outside perspective:

The majority of those fighting back about keeping the monuments are those who support Nazism. Do you think they actually care for those monuments, or do you think they are fighting about what they interpret those monuments to mean to them - which is oppression of minorities. Whether you agree or not, those monuments stand for something poisonous and it is showing with these rallies and displays.

Also if private companies decide to remove hate speech, or if spotify decides to remove songs about hate then let it be so. It's their company to do as they please. Freedom of speech isn't actually the ability to say what you want without consequence, and it certainly does not justify hate speech.

Mainstream media makes it appear as if the majority fighting back is supporting nazism but that is not the case. I dont know a single person what doesnt both hate Nazism and white supremacists and also supports preserving our countries history and art.

The whitehouse was built by slaves....Abraham Lincoln supported slavery and didnt give a crap about black people, our founding fathers had slaves, we have historical houses all across the country supported by slavery....

All this and much more by a majority of people who are fighting to take some stupid sculpures down in meanwhile these hypocrites support politicians who rip off the American people as a whole and are genocidal war mongering maniacs and policies that actually DO infringe on the liberties of black people.

Do I care what genocidal war mongering maniac and freedom stripping supporting Americans thinks about historical monuments? No, because they already lost me on ethical credibility a long time ago.

Im tired of all the hypocrisy, keep the monuments up...educate on history and all the dark side.

Im sorry but you need to stop watching TV, lol Mainstream news are all lying war mongering accomplices to mass murder along with most liberals that support distractive issues such as statues that are part of our history, good or evil. You cant take liberals seriously, they lost their ethical integrity years ago.

What private companies do of course, thats their own time. The problem is these companies all criminally lobby our mass murdering politicians and effect public policy including those that strip the freedoms of black people, so they are all mostly hypocrites too.

If you must, since Obama did more to strip the rights of black people than anyone else the past 8 years we should start taking down all images of his ugly criminal azz first.
 
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Remember back when the democrat party was the party of the KKK? Apparently it wasn't that long ago.

Nothing has changed with them, since Democrats accusing people of being Nazis just because they want to preserve American/world history IS racist.
 
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Remember back when the democrat party was the party of the KKK? Apparently it wasn't that long ago.

Then Libtards and Demicans praise Lyndon Johnson as a god for the civil rights act, when he himself was a racist and did that just for political pull then lied us into the Vietnam War with a false flag staged event and sent black people out overseas to die (7,262 blacks died, Thanks Lyndon you racist genocidalist!) while murdering millions of innocent asians that were no threat to them making his Military Industrial Complex people riches and riches at the expense of the tax payer, both stolen money from both black and white people.

All hypocrisy.
 
From an outside perspective:

The majority of those fighting back about keeping the monuments are those who support Nazism. Do you think they actually care for those monuments, or do you think they are fighting about what they interpret those monuments to mean to them - which is oppression of minorities. Whether you agree or not, those monuments stand for something poisonous and it is showing with these rallies and displays.



Also if private companies decide to remove hate speech, or if spotify decides to remove songs about hate then let it be so. It's their company to do as they please. Freedom of speech isn't actually the ability to say what you want without consequence, and it certainly does not justify hate speech.

Most people that want to keep them up are people educated in American history and or have family history involving the south. The % of people wanting to keep these up that support Nazism, maybe 0.005% max. Its sad the news networks like CNN and MSNBC make it their mission to try to stick the image of these fools to everyone that would prefer they stay up. And people believe it without giving it any logical thought.
 
Mainstream media makes it appear as if the majority fighting back is supporting nazism but that is not the case. I dont know a single person what doesnt both hate Nazism and white supremacists and also supports preserving our countries history and art.

The whitehouse was built by slaves....Abraham Lincoln supported slavery and didnt give a crap about black people, our founding fathers had slaves, we have historical houses all across the country supported by slavery....

All this and much more by a majority of people who are fighting to take some stupid sculpures down in meanwhile these hypocrites support politicians who rip off the American people as a whole and are genocidal war mongering maniacs and policies that actually DO infringe on the liberties of black people.

Do I care what genocidal war mongering maniac and freedom stripping supporting Americans thinks about historical monuments? No, because they already lost me on ethical credibility a long time ago.

Im tired of all the hypocrisy, keep the monuments up...educate on history and all the dark side.

Im sorry but you need to stop watching TV, lol Mainstream news are all lying war mongering accomplices to mass murder along with most liberals that support distractive issues such as statues that are part of our history, good or evil. You cant take liberals seriously, they lost their ethical integrity years ago.

What private companies do of course, thats their own time. The problem is these companies all criminally lobby our mass murdering politicians and effect public policy including those that strip the freedoms of black people, so they are all mostly hypocrites too.

If you must, since Obama did more to strip the rights of black people than anyone else the past 8 years we should start taking all images of his ugly criminal azz first.

I just read this in Alex jones voice haha the only thing you missed was interdimensional child molesters and it would have been a perfect rant! Not saying what you said was a lie, your ranting skills are just on point
 
From an outside perspective:

The majority of those fighting back about keeping the monuments are those who support Nazism. Do you think they actually care for those monuments, or do you think they are fighting about what they interpret those monuments to mean to them - which is oppression of minorities. Whether you agree or not, those monuments stand for something poisonous and it is showing with these rallies and displays.

Also if private companies decide to remove hate speech, or if spotify decides to remove songs about hate then let it be so. It's their company to do as they please. Freedom of speech isn't actually the ability to say what you want without consequence, and it certainly does not justify hate speech.

lol...look at the stats-67% of americans support keeping the monuments...

also if you start limiting free speech who gets to determine what is hate speech?
 
I'm not for or against keeping them as I'm not from there and I don't know, or care, about American history. Just as much as Amercians don't care about NZ history.

I'm all for preserving history if it signifies something for better or worse, but again I don't actually know the full story just what I see/ read.

If the monuments have true meaning then by all means keep them, but you do have to ask if everything needs to be kept for the sake of it, because not all monuments have actual historical significance. E.g. if I erect a giant middle finger monument, I can't just say it has historical significance simply because it is a monument.

Are people trying to justify something that signifies hate as historical, simply because it is a monument?
 
Nobody is talking about monuments of twinkies or slices of pizza....these are significant monuments representing southern culture, history, racism (southern culture isnt just about racism btw), jim crow laws, etc...its just history.

Whenever I go to Beijing my mind just goes in awe when I see a big portrait of Chairman Mao for example, the most brutal murderous dictator in the history of recent civilization. They have his body there in the back of Tianamen Square, I visited his freeze dried body....

Its just history. Im glad its there. I hate Mao, but I love seeing historical significance and experiencing it. I would never want to take the picture of Mao down even if the communist party is destroyed.

When I go to the south I wanna see the past, the Confederacy, be reminded of the time of slavery, Jim Crow laws...I feel connected to the past of my land, good or evil dont matter.

Whitewashing history is terrible and very sad.

You should do your homework before accusing people of being Nazi's btw. If any ideology closely resembles the Nazi's that would probably be that leftist group Antifa.

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Just as much as Amercians don't care about NZ history.

Thats total bullcrap...Im a fan of world history in general, NZ history is my history. NZ history is just as important as the history of any other country.

Stop making such negative stereotypical statements about Americans...if anything is offensive its your past two posts remarking about Nazi's and also thinking we all dont give a crap about NZ history. There are 300 million of us, we dont all think alike. You should get to know people before making blanket negative statements about them. Tell us about your history if you want, Im happy to listen.
 
I'll just say this. I agree with keeping the monuments. They are of historical value. I am from the south and had family fight for the south, but thats not why I want them. It is part of our nations history, it is what this nation what it is today. Most of the people that want these monuments down, are uneducated and only listen to the nonsense of idiots. If they actually taught things in school today like they did when we where in school. More people would understand. Just remember this, those who forget about history or doomed to repeat it. And there are thousands of nuts out there, that are out there that would love to start it again, and who are hiding and training in the woods right now
 
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