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thebigt said:
10% of people ruin things for the rest of us...this is why I supported 3 strikes and your out. after you commit the 3rd serious[felony]crime, you become a career felon with little chance of rehabilitation, and the chance of rehabilitation is not worth the risk that person presents to society as a whole.
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I'm fine with that. If you're too stupid to follow what the rest of us figured out, then you shouldn't be part of this society. That said, rich parents shouldn't be able to get their kids out of this.
 
thebigt said:
10% of people ruin things for the rest of us...this is why I supported 3 strikes and your out. after you commit the 3rd serious[felony]crime, you become a career felon with little chance of rehabilitation, and the chance of rehabilitation is not worth the risk that person presents to society as a whole.
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I do think that percentage is too low. I keep trying to tell myself that there are good people out there and still run into them occassionaly, but they seem to be rare.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I do think that percentage is too low. I keep trying to tell myself that there are good people out there and still run into them occassionaly, but they seem to be rare.
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I think that 10% are inherently bad....it is their influence on the people that could go either way that inflates the numbers, imo....if those 10% were removed from society i'm sure we would still have crime, but it would definitely 'take a bite out of it'....
 
thebigt said:
I think that 10% are inherently bad....it is their influence on the people that could go either way that inflates the numbers, imo....if those 10% were removed from society i'm sure we would still have crime, but it would definitely 'take a bite out of it'....
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I can buy into that. 10% are evil and a whole lot simply can't think for themselves.
 
CJNator said:
What do you guys consider bad or evil?
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Bad, stealing, hurting people emotionally, greed but only in extremities, manipulating people (although this can be evil too)

Evil, physically abusive, rape, politicians starting wars (non-defensive,) murder

Short list, but pretty simple, right?
 
ax1 said:
Bad, stealing, hurting people emotionally, greed but only in extremities, manipulating people (although this can be evil too)

Evil, physically abusive, rape, politicians starting wars (non-defensive,) murder

Short list, but pretty simple, right?
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Well not really simple, war is a necessary reality. Going to war with another nation that is a threat is necessary because peace can't protect us and I'm sure we'd rather fight over there then here.

Also I'd add selfishness as evil or the center of all that is bad and evil.
 
CJNator said:
Well not really simple, war is a necessary reality. Going to war with another nation that is a threat is necessary because peace can't protect us and I'm sure we'd rather fight over there then here.

Also I'd add selfishness as evil or the center of all that is bad and evil.
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Im talking about wars against other nations that were never a threat to us such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Syria and bombing the crap out of other countries and supporting Tyrannical regimes such as Saudi Arabia devastate other sovereign nations like Yemen. None of these nations have ever been a threat to us.

Pre-emptive wars although some may have well intent, not only are you creating an environment of genocide but it makes as less safe as we have seen the past 17 years since the launch of the war on Terror by someone evil by the name of George Bush. None of this has led us anywhere other than the Military Industrial Complex getting what they want which is extreme access to our stolen tax payer money.
 
ax1 said:
Damn, that Lomenchenko keeps getting better....time to get him a big fight soon with some top competition!
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lol...marriaga's best punch was a headbutt....

I would like to see gervanta davis next, he has an overblown ego as Floyd's protégé.
 
thebigt said:
lol...marriaga's best punch was a headbutt....

I would like to see gervanta davis next, he has an overblown ego as Floyd's protégé.
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Davis still needs some time to build up imo....Hope he doesnt become another Broner and grows up quick and focuses primarily on boxing.

I dont think its a good idea for Davis to fight anybody near a Lomenchenko right now, I figure he is another couple of years of development before he can compete that high. Worried about losing good talent too soon.
 
ax1 said:
Davis still needs some time to build up imo....Hope he doesnt become another Broner and grows up quick and focuses primarily on boxing.

I dont think its a good idea for Davis to fight anybody near a Lomenchenko right now, I figure he is another couple of years of development before he can compete that high. Worried about losing good talent too soon.
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davis is the one who put the word out that he wants lomachenko-says he could beat him easily---I think he is another broner, lol
 
thebigt said:
davis is the one who put the word out that he wants lomachenko-says he could beat him easily---I think he is another broner, lol
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Damn, in that case this idiot needs to fight a bum by the name on Lomanchenko next and teach that Ukrainian amateur a lesson!!!! lol
 
ax1 said:
Damn, in that case this idiot needs to fight a bum by the name on Lomanchenko next and teach that Ukrainian amateur a lesson!!!! lol
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exactly...all these Floyd wannabe's have floyd's mouth and ego, but not Floyd's skill level....seriously it was just a kid running his mouth, no way Floyd would put him up against lomo!!!
 
CJNator said:
Well not really simple, war is a necessary reality. Going to war with another nation that is a threat is necessary because peace can't protect us and I'm sure we'd rather fight over there then here.

Also I'd add selfishness as evil or the center of all that is bad and evil.
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Can you name a single war that the US has been involved in that was "necessary"?
 
rtmilburn said:
The list is limited to ww2, I don't care what people say this was a war we had to be in, in my opinion, and MAYBE the civil war.
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Regardless of how I think we were tricked into wwii, getting rid of Hitler at least was a really good thing.
 
rtmilburn said:
Either way tricked or not it was a war I'm glad we fought and wished we started fighting before we did too.
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There are less than 600k out of the 16 million American WWII vets left with us. Every-time I see one in public I cant stop staring, lol!
 
rtmilburn said:
See I wanted to say this but technically we weren't the USA when we fought the war. Haha I kid kid
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but technically it was necessary, lol.....if not for the revolutionary war the question would be moot!!!!
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Isn't it possible though that had we gotten involved earlier, that war might not have been needed?
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Maybe if we simply took out US Senator Prescott Bush w/ US Banking who was one of the financial architects of the Reich along with some other interests including in Britain that propped Hitler up we certainly could have avoided this.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Isn't it possible though that had we gotten involved earlier, that war might not have been needed?
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it is possible that if carter had supported the shah of iran 911 would of never happened...lol-the world of what if's.
 
thebigt said:
it is possible that if carter had supported the shah of iran 911 would of never happened...lol-the world of what if's.
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Going by the "official story" what did Iran have to do with 9/11?

I would say (going by the official story) if Carter (later propped up by Reagan 40 Billion invested from 79-89)) hadn't created the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and propped up Bin-laden then perhaps Al-queda never would have existed and 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

I dont see the Iran connection to 9/11 (broken record, going by the official story, lol)
 
ax1 said:
Going by the "official story" what did Iran have to do with 9/11?

I would say (going by the official story) if Carter (later propped up by Reagan 40 Billion invested from 79-89)) hadn't created the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and propped up Bin-laden then perhaps Al-queda never would have existed and 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

I dont see the Iran connection to 9/11 (broken record, going by the official story, lol)
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it's the butterfly effect...iran becoming a radical Islamic state dramatically changed the geo-political situation in the middle east. it is entirely possible that if carter had supported the shah that Reagan would have never been elected....

if you want to play this game you have to use your imagination!!!
 
when I see Mexican flags waved at pro-immigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. when i'm forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.


BARRCK OBAMA 2006
 
thebigt said:
when I see Mexican flags waved at pro-immigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. when i'm forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.


BARRCK OBAMA 2006
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I wonder how these people would feel if we had pro-American immigration into Mexico (they have strict immigration laws) and waving USA flags in big protests in Mexico City?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Khomeini was a Shia, Al-qaeda is Sunni. That's like blaming Methodists for stuff the Pope does.
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Khomeini would have been thrown in a prison if the shah had stayed in power. every possibility that the Islamic state never happened if carter had played a different hand.
 
ax1 said:
I wonder how these people would feel if we had pro-American immigration into Mexico (they have strict immigration laws) and waving USA flags in big protests in Mexico City?
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if things keep going the way they are many American retirees will be fleeing to mexico, the united states will no longer be affordable...all the Mexicans come here and americans go there, lol.
 
thebigt said:
Khomeini would have been thrown in a prison if the shah had stayed in power. every possibility that the Islamic state never happened if carter had played a different hand.
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No, I'm saying you're making a connection between two different religions that doesn't exist.
 
thebigt said:
Khomeini would have been thrown in a prison if the shah had stayed in power. every possibility that the Islamic state never happened if carter had played a different hand.
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But even if Carter supported the Shaw do you think that would have stopped him and Reagan from giving the Mujahideen and Bin Laden 40 Billion dollars in cash, arms and training to fight the Soviets? Im not sure the the Shaw could have stopped the outcome of Al-queda, especially being that we have still been arming and training them in 2017.
 
thebigt said:
if things keep going the way they are many American retirees will be fleeing to mexico, the united states will no longer be affordable...all the Mexicans come here and americans go there, lol.
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Well thats one reason I never supported that crazy wall...it can be used to keep us all in, why would anyone want to give the US government that kind of power??? If I wanna cross, I wanna cross!!!
 
ax1 said:
Well thats one reason I never supported that crazy wall...it can be used to keep us all in, why would anyone want to give the US government that kind of power??? If I wanna cross, I wanna cross!!!
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lol...you could always hire a smuggler and be a undocumented alien.
 
ax1 said:
But even if Carter supported the Shaw do you think that would have stopped him and Reagan from giving the Mujahideen and Bin Laden 40 Billion dollars in cash, arms and training to fight the Soviets? Im not sure the the Shaw could have stopped the outcome of Al-queda, especially being that we have still been arming and training them in 2017.
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like I said if carter had supported the shah it's possible Reagan never gets elected---one of the reasons for Reagans popularity was carters appearance of weakness.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Khomeini was a Shia, Al-qaeda is Sunni. Whatever happened in Iran had nothing to do with the group that orchestrated 9/11. Those are two different groups.
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you are as bad as ax1...I am saying the whole situation would have been changed if carter had supported the shah. who the hell knows what changes could have occurred? the entire situation in the middle east would be different if there had never been an Islamic state---butterfly effect!!!
 
thebigt said:
you are as bad as ax1...I am saying the whole situation would have been changed if carter had supported the shah. who the hell knows what changes could have occurred? the entire situation in the middle east would be different if there had never been an Islamic state---butterfly effect!!!
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lol,

Carter just sucked crap, we can both agree on that!
 
thebigt said:
you are as bad as ax1...I am saying the whole situation would have been changed if carter had supported the shah. who the hell knows what changes could have occurred? the entire situation in the middle east would be different if there had never been an Islamic state---butterfly effect!!!
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If you're just going to pick two completely unrelated events and yell butterfly effect, then you can say who knows what events were affected by the birth of Walt Disney, so Walt Disney must be responsible for 9/11. The damage is that a lot of people, including many in this thread, group all Muslims together as a single homogeneous religion which it isn't. Saying that Shia are somehow responsible for a Sunni act is ****ting on the lives of the MANY Shia who have been killed by Sunni and those numbers are much higher than the supposed war on Christianity.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
If you're just going to pick two completely unrelated events and yell butterfly effect, then you can say who knows what events were affected by the birth of Walt Disney, so Walt Disney must be responsible for 9/11. The damage is that a lot of people, including many in this thread, group all Muslims together as a single homogeneous religion which it isn't. Saying that Shia are somehow responsible for a Sunni act is ****ting on the lives of the MANY Shia who have been killed by Sunni and those numbers are much higher than the supposed war on Christianity.
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exactly...you need to start at the top...this all started by playing the what if game when you said ww2 might have been avoided if we intervened sooner---what if, get it?
 
thebigt said:
exactly...you need to start at the top...this all started by playing the what if game when you said ww2 might have been avoided if we intervened sooner---what if, get it?
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You're not starting at the top. The top is CJKKK saying that war is a necessary reality, so I asked him to name a single US war that was necessary. I asked rtmilburn, who replied WWII, if that couldn't have been avoided with earlier action, thus not making it necessary. War might be inevitable, but I don't think "necessary" defines it. Most who have been through war would agree it should be the last option.
 
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