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anyone remember david Koresh and the branch davidians? when the fbi attacked that 'sect' were they attacking ALL Christians?


trump should make the argument that radical islam is a 'sect', and only that sect is being targeted.

He got into a bad start with the muslim issue....my own logic says Indonesia is the largest muslim nation on earth and they dont have these problems so therefore I would never judge muslims as a whole and make a statement in the way he did.

Then again now that I think about it, what Dump meant was that he wanted to ban muslims to freeze for a moment to figure out and discuss wtf is going on and why before something else happens. Thats how I interpreted it. but it was to easy to make it into something it wasnt.
 
He got into a bad start with the muslim issue....my own logic says Indonesia is the largest muslim nation on earth and they dont have these problems so therefore I would never judge muslims as a whole and make a statement in the way he did.

Then again now that I think about it, what Dump meant was that he wanted to ban muslims to freeze for a moment to figure out and discuss wtf is going on and why before something else happens. Thats how I interpreted it. but it was to easy to make it into something it wasnt.

what is easy to see is that the proposed banned countries fall into 3 categories:


1. civil war-unrest
2. unstable governments
3. hotbed of terrorist activity

many of those countries qualify for all 3 categories...you can easily see where this would make it at the very least difficult, and most likely impossible to properly vet immigrants coming from these countries...it seems like commonsense-or lack of is in play here...or else the democrats are willing to risk american's safety merely to oppose trump at every turn.
 
anyone remember david Koresh and the branch davidians? when the fbi attacked that 'sect' were they attacking ALL Christians?


trump should make the argument that radical islam is a 'sect', and only that sect is being targeted.

A random stranger says Happy Holidays and Christians scream that there is a war on Christianity and they are the most persecuted religion, so let's not pretend that doesn't happen. Christians see one incidence and expand it into something bigger all the time.
 
A random stranger says Happy Holidays and Christians scream that there is a war on Christianity and they are the most persecuted religion, so let's not pretend that doesn't happen. Christians see one incidence and expand it into something bigger all the time.

I don't see relevance.
 
Ok, let's try this. What sect of Christianity are the pedophiles, rapists, and murderers? Serious question because that is what you're asking to do with Islam.

lol...I guess it could be interpreted that way, but that is not what I intended.

the question was---how can judges still rule that trumps travel ban is anti-muslim after what just happened in Saudi arabia?
 
Ok, let's try this. What sect of Christianity are the pedophiles, rapists, and murderers? Serious question because that is what you're asking to do with Islam.

fair enough...what Christian 'sect' openly applauds and encourages these crimes?
 
lol...I guess it could be interpreted that way, but that is not what I intended.

the question was---how can judges still rule that trumps travel ban is anti-muslim after what just happened in Saudi arabia?

One trip doesn't make up for all of his other actions and statements! That's tantamount to when a racist says he has a black friend so he can't be racist.
 
Not even close.
Really?!? That's almost laughable. Women are regularly raped and nothing is done about it as it's not wrong to do so for them. Women are regular killed for no god damn reason as again not wrong to do so, not include the obvious and mass amounts more of terrorist they have. What age where most of Muhammad's wives?? Do need to go on?!? Not that most are bad as they aren't but alot more fit into those categories than Christians without a doubt.
 
Really?!? That's almost laughable. Women are regularly raped and nothing is done about it as it's not wrong to do so for them. Women are regular killed for no god damn reason as again not wrong to do so, not include the obvious and mass amounts more of terrorist they have. What age where most of Muhammad's wives?? Do need to go on?!? Not that most are bad as they aren't but alot more fit into those categories than Christians without a doubt.

Rape is prohibited in Islam and the punishments are clear. Where the hell are you getting that rape is allowed?! And are you sure you want to go into sex and violence in scriptute, because I guarantee the Bible is on the same level if not worse than the Quran. We can start with Lot screwing his own daughters and work from there.
 
Rape is prohibited in Islam and the punishments are clear. Where the hell are you getting that rape is allowed?! And are you sure you want to go into sex and violence in scriptute, because I guarantee the Bible is on the same level if not worse than the Quran. We can start with Lot screwing his own daughters and work from there.
Yes I missed said what I was trying to say about rape. The punishment is clear and in most cases is death but the women is usually also punished too as it was there fualt for seducing them.(which is laughable). Also I'm not going to argue that fact the the Bible is just as bad( I dont think that it's as outrageous but still horrible none the less). I'm talking about the people whom follow it currently. It's just a fact that there are more Muslim that fit those categories than Christians. Again it's not that they are all that way they are most are good people but there are more spoiled eggs in the bunch for sure. Also statically speaking there would be more even with the same % commiting the same crimes as there are way more Muslims.
 
Yes I missed said what I was trying to say about rape. The punishment is clear and in most cases is death but the women is usually also punished too as it was there fualt for seducing them.(which is laughable). Also I'm not going to argue that fact the the Bible is just as bad( I dont think that it's as outrageous but still horrible none the less). I'm talking about the people whom follow it currently. It's just a fact that there are more Muslim that fit those categories than Christians. Again it's not that they are all that way they are most are good people but there are more spoiled eggs in the bunch for sure. Also statically speaking there would be more even with the same % commiting the same crimes as there are way more Muslims.

Annnnddd more lies or maybe you just misspoke again. The victim is never punished in Islam.

Please, tell us more about your "facts".
 
One trip doesn't make up for all of his other actions and statements! That's tantamount to when a racist says he has a black friend so he can't be racist.

seriously...I really expected better from you, lol....I suppose you also think the supreme court would uphold the lower courts denial of the travel ban?
 
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I can post more if you want

But then you have Christian leaders like Obama dropping love bombs with his drones of compassion the past 8 years slaughtering all kinds of women and children all over pakistan and many other countries which I think is a step above rape.

But really what is in that article is due to big tyrannical government and maybe they happen to be Muslim but Islam is not the reason why they are evil.
 
But then you have Christian leaders like Obama dropping love bombs with his drones of compassion the past 8 years slaughtering all kinds of women and children all over pakistan and many other countries which I think is a step above rape.

But really what is in that article is due to big tyrannical government and maybe they happen to be Muslim but Islam is not the reason why they are evil.
True it is more due to the governments. Also as I said that most Muslims aren't bad but there are definitely more bad Muslims than Christians.
 
True it is more due to the governments. Also as I said that most Muslims aren't bad but there are definitely more bad Muslims than Christians.

Do we have real stats on that though? Is it possible that its more of a cultural in 3rd world countries that have been war ridden by the US and NATO over the years and had puppet dictators installed? Lets look at Indonesia which the worlds most populated Muslim country, it doesnt seem so bad over there compared to christian countries such as Mexico and Columbia for example.
 
Do we have real stats on that though? Is it possible that its more of a cultural in 3rd world countries that have been war ridden by the US and NATO over the years and had puppet dictators installed? Lets look at Indonesia which the worlds most populated Muslim country, it doesnt seem so bad over there compared to christian countries such as Mexico and Columbia for example.
I do think it IS more due to living in 3rd world countries more than anything else
 
seriously...I really expected better from you, lol....I suppose you also think the supreme court would uphold the lower courts denial of the travel ban?

I think the courts will do their job and you shouldn't get upset when checks and balances goes into effect. Having a single person who gets to do whatever they want is what this country was created against.
 
Yes I missed said what I was trying to say about rape. The punishment is clear and in most cases is death but the women is usually also punished too as it was there fualt for seducing them.(which is laughable). Also I'm not going to argue that fact the the Bible is just as bad( I dont think that it's as outrageous but still horrible none the less). I'm talking about the people whom follow it currently. It's just a fact that there are more Muslim that fit those categories than Christians. Again it's not that they are all that way they are most are good people but there are more spoiled eggs in the bunch for sure. Also statically speaking there would be more even with the same % commiting the same crimes as there are way more Muslims.

That is my point!!! It's not Islam its self jeez. You are being hard headed.

What is your point? If you're not blaming Islam, then why bring it up? Also, your statement about there being more Muslims than Christians is wrong.
 
What is your point? If you're not blaming Islam, then why bring it up? Also, your statement about there being more Muslims than Christians is wrong.
Last part could be true I'm not positive on that but I thought islam was the biggest religion but I could definitely be wrong. As for why did I bring it up? I didn't you did
 
Last part could be true I'm not positive on that but I thought islam was the biggest religion but I could definitely be wrong. As for why did I bring it up? I didn't you did

No, Christianity is the bigger religion by about 600 million. I was talking about Christianity and you jumped in with your opinion that more Muslims supposedly are guilty of more of those crimes. You then rattled off several "facts" that were all wrong and then took the stance that it had nothing to do with their religion and said that wasn't your point. I asked you what your point was and now you want to play this game. Are we all caught up?
 
I think the courts will do their job and you shouldn't get upset when checks and balances goes into effect. Having a single person who gets to do whatever they want is what this country was created against.

When the judges that stopped his lawful immigration order failed to event cite the federal statute that gives the President the authority to allow or limit immigration, and also fail to cite the text of the actual immigration order, they are no longer checks and balances. They are activist judges.
 
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Last week Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered federal prosecutors in drug cases to seek the maximum penalty authorized by federal mandatory minimum sentencing laws. Sessions’ order represents a setback to the progress made toward restoring compassion and common sense to the sentencing process over the past few years. Sessions’ action also guarantees that many nonviolent drug law offenders will continue spending more time in prison than murderers.

Sessions’ support for mandatory minimums is no surprise, as he has a history of fanatical devotion to the drug war. Sessions’ pro-drug war stance is at odds with the reality of the drug war’s failure. Over forty years after President Nixon declared war on drugs, the government cannot even keep drugs out of prisons!

As was the case with alcohol prohibition, the drug war has empowered criminal gangs and even terrorists to take advantage of the opportunity presented by prohibition to profit by meeting the continued demand for drugs. Drug prohibition enables these criminal enterprises to make profits far above the potential profits if drugs where legalized. Ironically, the so-called “law-and-order” politicians who support the drug war are helping enrich the very criminals they claim to oppose!

The war on drugs also makes street drugs more lethal by incentivizing the creation of more potent and, thus, more dangerous drugs. Of course, even as Sessions himself admits, the war on drugs also leads to increased violence, as drug dealers cannot go to the courts to settle disputes among themselves or with their customers.

Before 9/11, the war on drugs was the go-to excuse used to justify new infringements on liberty. For example, laws limiting our ability to withdraw, or even carry, large sums of cash and laws authorizing civil asset forfeiture were justified by the need to crack down on drug dealers and users. The war on drugs is also the root cause of the criminal justice system’s disparate treatment of minorities and the militarization of local police.

The war on drugs is a war on the Constitution as well. The Constitution does not give the federal government authority to regulate, much less ban, drugs. People who doubt this should ask themselves why it was necessary to amend the Constitution to allow the federal government to criminalize drinking alcohol but not necessary to amend the Constitution to criminalize drug use.

Today, a majority of states have legalized medical marijuana, and a growing number are legalizing recreational marijuana use. Enforcement of federal laws outlawing marijuana in those states is the type of federal interference with state laws that conservatives usually oppose. Hopefully, in this area the Trump administration will exercise restraint and respect state marijuana laws.

Sessions’ announcement was not the only pro-drug war announcement made by the administration this week. President Trump himself, in a meeting with the president of Columbia, promised to continue US intervention in South and Central America to eliminate drug cartels. President Trump, like his attorney general, seems to not understand that the rise of foreign drug cartels, like the rise of domestic drug gangs, is a consequence of US drug policy.

The use of government force to stop adults from putting certain substances into their bodies — whether marijuana, saturated fats, or raw milk — violates the nonaggression principle that is the bedrock of a free society. Therefore, all those who care about protecting individual liberty and limiting government power should support ending the drug war. Those with moral objections to drug use should realize that education and persuasion, carried out through voluntary institutions like churches and schools, is a more moral and effective way to discourage drug use than relying on government force.

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Define "bad". That's a helluva statement to make IMO.
It's not the religion it's self rather the product of the environment they are forced to live in. War torn 3rd world countries it just happens to be they are Muslims. Okay reason I brought this point is that he said well how many Christians are murders, pedophiles, rapist and sarcasticly implied we should ban Christians from immigrating here. All I did was simple state that there are more Muslims that fit those categories. That simple. Let's not forget we(the USA) are a big cause for the terrorism, and dictators we have today.
 
When the judges that stopped his lawful immigration order failed to event cite the federal statute that gives the President the authority to allow or limit immigration, and also fail to cite the text of the actual immigration order, they are no longer checks and balances. They are activist judges.

You're in over your head and barely speaking English. Maybe we don't even start this one.
 
It's not the religion it's self rather the product of the environment they are forced to live in. War torn 3rd world countries it just happens to be they are Muslims. Okay reason I brought this point is that he said well how many Christians are murders, pedophiles, rapist and sarcasticly implied we should ban Christians from immigrating here. All I did was simple state that there are more Muslims that fit those categories. That simple. Let's not forget we(the USA) are a big cause for the terrorism, and dictators we have today.
What data do you have to show that there are more Muslim rapists and murderers than Christians?
 
You're in over your head and barely speaking English. Maybe we don't even start this one.
This is why I left this thread as you are god damn, smug, arrogant piece of sht, that acts they no everything. Well you don't nothing I said was wrong what so ever. You can make fun of my English sure, I'm on a god damn forum, typing on my phone. I'd give a rats ass how my English is it's not like I'm sending this to my coworkers, by boss, or even a college assignment. So I could care less how my God damn English is fuk face.
 
Ok, let's try this. What sect of Christianity are the pedophiles, rapists, and murderers? Serious question because that is what you're asking to do with Islam.

Ya but much more Islamic people fit those category!

It's not the religion it's self rather the product of the environment they are forced to live in. War torn 3rd world countries it just happens to be they are Muslims. Okay reason I brought this point is that he said well how many Christians are murders, pedophiles, rapist and sarcasticly implied we should ban Christians from immigrating here. All I did was simple state that there are more Muslims that fit those categories. That simple. Let's not forget we(the USA) are a big cause for the terrorism, and dictators we have today.

You're changing your story and misquoting mine. I did not imply or ever wish for any religious group to be banned from immigrating here. I was having a conversation with somebody else about what a slippery slope it is to group violent people into one sect. Again, you jumped into the conversation with your quote that I included here (see above). Now you're saying that it isn't about religion at all, but rather environment.
 
This is why I left this thread as you are god damn, smug, arrogant piece of sht, that acts they no everything. Well you don't nothing I said was wrong what so ever. You can make fun of my English sure, I'm on a god damn forum, typing on my phone. I'd give a rats ass how my English is it's not like I'm sending this to my coworkers, by boss, or even a college assignment. So I could care less how my God damn English is fuk face.

Dear sir, I wasn't quoting or speaking to you. Please check again before jumping to conclusions. Unless you are also youngandfree
 
Dear sir, I wasn't quoting or speaking to you. Please check again before jumping to conclusions. Unless you are also youngandfree
No I know you weren't talking to me. It's the attitude that you treat people on this thread all together. You think you know better and that your smarter and that anyone that'd disagree is dumb so I'm out. Again
 
No I know you weren't talking to me. It's the attitude that you treat people on this thread all together. You think you know better and that your smarter and that anyone that'd disagree is dumb so I'm out. Again

I'm sorry I used facts to dispute your allegations about a religion. My deepest apologies. I asked you to clarify your point. Am I supposed to just accept things that you say even though I know they're wrong? If I'm wrong, show me. This is how debate works. I'm not going to say hmm, sources say there are 600 million more Christians, but maybe this random person on the forum went and personally counted them all.

You made a mistake and thought I was insulting you. Now you know I wasn't even talking to you. Mistakes happen. Calm down and continue the debate or don't. Life goes on
 
You're in over your head and barely speaking English. Maybe we don't even start this one.

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So a Democrat mega donor ruling on an opposing president isn't an activist, when he fails to recognize the federal statute that says the POTUS has absolute say on immigration.

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I'm sorry I used facts to dispute your allegations about a religion. My deepest apologies. I asked you to clarify your point. Am I supposed to just accept things that you say even though I know they're wrong? If I'm wrong, show me. This is how debate works. I'm not going to say hmm, sources say there are 600 million more Christians, but maybe this random person on the forum went and personally counted them all.

You made a mistake and thought I was insulting you. Now you know I wasn't even talking to you. Mistakes happen. Calm down and continue the debate or don't. Life goes on

You gave one fact about number of Christian vs Muslims. That is it and I even admitted that I wasn't sure on that one
 
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So a Democrat mega donor ruling on an opposing president isn't an activist, when he fails to recognize the federal statute that says the POTUS has absolute say on immigration.

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He's the POTUS, not a king. He doesn't have absolute say on anything. That's how our government was created.
 
It's a law that's been on the books for decades, and upheld in the past. Congress passed the law, and courts have upheld it.

Carter banned immigration from a country as part of sanctions. Trump banned based on religion. The courts are doing their job. That doesn't make them activists.
 
Carter banned immigration from a country as part of sanctions. Trump banned based on religion. The courts are doing their job. That doesn't make them activists.

Trump restricted all visas from those nations from all citizens on his revised order. Where did it say he was banning muslims?

How is it ethical for a judge to raise $300,000 for Obama and Clinton and make partisan rulings?
 
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