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Donald Trump running for president

I didn't attack you. You yet again put down a member of the military based on ignorance. I'm simply asking what expertise you have to do that? You're assuming he had an easy job why? Because his job title sounds boring to you? I didn't serve, but can use a ****ing search engine to find that job can be extremely stressful.

How was I putting him down? I asked a legitimate question, looking for experience from any military service members here. Your passive agressive attack was the same as you've done before. I asked the question because the running narrative in the public opinion is that someone goes off the deep end, and they automatically blame the military service. Like that piece of **** that murdered Chris Kyle and his buddy. He never saw combat, and all his friends say he didn't see any kind of action whatsoever. Yet the media narrative went straight to PTSD, including his own sorry assed defense attorney.
 
AT's work on the electronics of almost everything on a ship, but mainly aircraft....everything onboard a fighter jet is run by the onboard computer system, from what I have heard many planes are grounded for lack of parts, so with an aging fleet of planes I will go out on a limb and say that the responsibility of an AT is pretty awesome...if an AT works on a plane and signs off on it then he/she is responsible if anything goes wrong-sounds plenty stressful to me!!!

if he was stationed on a carrier some people have a difficult time adjusting to being out to sea for long periods, it isn't for everyone!!!

5 years cvn 69...2 years lph11

SHELLBACK
 
Best friend is a 25 year enlisted now retired Navy Veteran. He was an AT.

He was aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln for a 10-month deployment to the Arabian Gulf in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. He and his subordinates were responsible for AT support and maintenance for the worlds most bad ass fixed wing and rotory wing aircraft.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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It was supposed to be a 6 month deployment and he returned 10 months later to be introduced to his son whom his wife had delivered alone during the unexpected extended deployment.

Pretty damn important and stressful role keeping those aircraft flightworthy.

I road tripped to see him in South Philli in 1987 when he returned from his very first carrier deployment on the USS Kitty Hawk. Also had the opportunity to join him stationed in Hawaii for a weeks vacation 10 years later.
 
Best friend is a 25 year enlisted now retired Navy Veteran. He was an AT.

He was aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln for a 10-month deployment to the Arabian Gulf in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. He and his subordinates were responsible for AT support and maintenance for the worlds most bad ass fixed wing and rotory wing aircraft.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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It was supposed to be a 6 month deployment and he returned 10 months later to be introduced to his son whom his wife had delivered alone during the unexpected extended deployment.

Pretty damn important and stressful role keeping those aircraft flightworthy.

10 gun salute...a 10 month deployment is rough under any condition....in my day, before women on ships some used to compare being out to sea to being in prison-it didn't bother me that much but after awhile it wears on you-trust me!!!
 
10 gun salute...a 10 month deployment is rough under any condition....in my day, before women on ships some used to compare being out to sea to being in prison-it didn't bother me that much but after awhile it wears on you-trust me!!!
Indeed! He's told me stories. Fortunately he was wise with his time and now possesses a Master's Degree and lifetime pension and benefits and is on his second career.

To think in 1983 this long haired pot head goofed on him for enlisting. If I can be half the success and man of character and integrity then I'd have made something of myself :)

I've got two heros in my life. Him and my son-in-law who is presently Army enlisted:
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Indeed! He's told me stories. Fortunately he was wise with his time and now possesses a Master's Degree and lifetime pension and benefits and is on his second career.

To think in 1983 this long haired pot head goofed on him for enlisting. If I can be half the man of character and integrity then I'd have made something of myself :)

I've got two heros in my life. Him and my son-in-law who is presently Army enlisted:
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lol...I WAS a long haired pot smoker before I enlisted. the NAVY was the best decision I ever made-next to marrying my wife-damned good woman and mother of our children!!!
 
Good for you! We both were. I think he even failed the first UA. I was Air Force OCS material but I wasn't interested in the discipline or commitment. Boy...hindsight is better than 20/20.
 
Good for you! We both were. I think he even failed the first UA. I was Air Force OCS material but I wasn't interested in the discipline or commitment. Boy...hindsight is better than 20/20.

oh man....hindsight!!!!

better vision than the 'big eyes' on bridge watch, lol.
 
I heard something about trump being vindicated about that Obama surveillance thing-whatsup?
 
I heard something about trump being vindicated about that Obama surveillance thing-whatsup?

Not really because there is no indication of any survelience directly to Obama giving any orders, as of yet at least.
 
Not really because there is no indication of any survelience directly to Obama giving any orders, as of yet at least.

nah, Obama is way to slick for that!!!

he just drops hints and his underlings do the dirty work without his 'direct' involvement....kinda like the irs thing went down!!!

it was common knowledge that Obama hated trump and would have done anything to keep trump from being elected---fortunately Obama thought Hillary was a sure thing, if it had looked like a close race I am sure we would have seen many more dirty tricks on Obama's part!!

I don't really know why but something about that robby mook guy gives me the creeps.
 
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Remember days before leaving, Obama changed the rules on who can see the collected meta data swept up. His order said the meta data can be shared by any executive branch organization. Which of course is how the transcripts of various calls got leaked. Most likely the got leaked by someone in a group that didn't have access to that prior to the new order he signed on the way out.
 
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Remember days before leaving, Obama changed the rules on who can see the collected meta data swept up. His order said the meta data can be shared by any executive branch organization. Which of course is how the transcripts of various calls got leaked. Most likely the got leaked by someone in a group that didn't have access to that prior to the new order he signed on the way out.

dirty tricks like that would have been far more frequent had Obama thought that trump might actually be elected.

Obama is still pulling strings behind the scene---I would bet money on it---trump knows many entrenched government employees are Obama/democratic supporters, many of whom are working against trump in various ways!!!
 
nah, Obama is way to slick for that!!!

he just drops hints and his underlings do the dirty work without his 'direct' involvement....kinda like the irs thing went down!!!

it was common knowledge that Obama hated trump and would have done anything to keep trump from being elected---fortunately Obama thought Hillary was a sure thing, if it had looked like a close race I am sure we would have seen many more dirty tricks on Obama's part!!

I don't really know why but something about that robby mook guy gives me the creeps.

Hey you dont have to convince me, lol
 
dirty tricks like that would have been far more frequent had Obama thought that trump might actually be elected.

Obama is still pulling strings behind the scene---I would bet money on it---trump knows many entrenched government employees are Obama/democratic supporters, many of whom are working against trump in various ways!!!

The whole setups is a sham and unconstitutional for wiretap powers anyways. As far as I know, some secret unelected "fiza" court (if thats how its spelled) consisting of 1 judge says yes or no. This is how the government bypasses their oath to the Constitution and violates our Bill of Rights.
 
dirty tricks like that would have been far more frequent had Obama thought that trump might actually be elected.

Obama is still pulling strings behind the scene---I would bet money on it---trump knows many entrenched government employees are Obama/democratic supporters, many of whom are working against trump in various ways!!!
If we're delving into the realm of conspiracy theories, I think that someone "above" Obama has been/is pulling the strings. Big government wants more power, and both parties ultimately want more power, bigger government, just in different areas, or in the same areas with different justifications to the public.
 
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This Thursday, the House of Representatives will vote on a Republican bill that supposedly repeals Obamacare. However, the bill retains Obamacare’s most destructive features.

That is not to say this legislation is entirely without merit. For example, the bill expands the amount individuals can contribute to a health savings account (HSA). HSAs allow individuals to save money tax-free to pay for routine medical expenses. By restoring individuals’ control over healthcare dollars, HSAs remove the distortions introduced in the healthcare market by government policies encouraging over-reliance on third-party payers.

The legislation also contains other positive tax changes, such a provision allowing individuals to use healthcare tax credits to purchase a "catastrophic-only" insurance policy. Ideally, health insurance should only cover major or catastrophic health events. No one expects their auto insurance to cover routine oil changes, so why should they expect health insurance to cover routine checkups?

Unfortunately the bill’s positive aspects are more than outweighed by its failure to repeal Obamacare's regulations and price controls. Like all price controls, Obamacare distorts the signals that a freely functioning marketplace sends to consumers and producers, thus guaranteeing chaos in the marketplace. The result of this chaos is higher prices, reduced supply, and lowered quality.

Two particularly insidious Obamacare regulations are guaranteed issue and community ratings. As the name suggests, guaranteed issue forces health insurance companies to issue a health insurance policy to anyone who applies for coverage. Community ratings forces health insurance companies to charge an obese couch potato and a physically-fit jogger similar premiums. This forces the jogger to subsidize the couch potato’s unhealthy lifestyle.

Obamacare’s individual mandate was put in place to ensure that guaranteed issue and community ratings would not drive health insurance companies out of business. Rather than repealing guaranteed issue and community ratings, the House Republicans’ plan forces those who go longer than two months without health insurance to pay a penalty to health insurance companies when they purchase new policies.

It is hard to feel sympathy for the insurance companies since they supported Obamacare. These companies were eager to accept government regulations in exchange for a mandate that individuals buy their product. But we should feel sympathy for Americans who are struggling to afford, or even obtain, healthcare because of Obamacare and who will obtain little or no relief from Obamacare 2.0.

The underlying problem with the Republican proposal is philosophical. The plan put forth by the alleged pro-free-market Republicans implicitly accepts the premise that healthcare is a right that must be provided by government. But rights are inalienable aspects of our humanity, not gifts from government.

If government can give us rights, then it can also limit or even take away those rights. Giving government power to enforce a fictitious right to healthcare justifies government theft and coercion. Thievery and violence do not suddenly become moral when carried out by governments.

Treating healthcare as a right leads to government intervention, which, as we have seen, inevitably leads to higher prices and lower quality. This is why, with the exception of those specialties, like plastic surgery, that are still treated as goods, not rights, healthcare is one of the few areas where innovation leads to increased costs.

America’s healthcare system will only be fixed when a critical mass of people rejects the philosophical and economic fallacies justifying government-run healthcare. Those of us who know the truth must continue to work to spread the ideas of, and grow the movement for, liberty.
People want coverage for routine healthcare because they are people, not cars!!

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If we're delving into the realm of conspiracy theories, I think that someone "above" Obama has been/is pulling the strings. Big government wants more power, and both parties ultimately want more power, bigger government, just in different areas, or in the same areas with different justifications to the public.
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Meh, I don't know if it goes global/worldwide like some people think, but there's been a trend towards bigger and more intrusive government in America for a while now, in both parties. I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy or "puppet master(s)," as it's very possible it's just obvious corruption and the pursuit of more money and power by politicians and the people giving them money. All I was really saying is that it seems unlikely Obama is the puppet master of ring leader if there is one (or more than one), as the trends and actions he took were in line with Bush, etc, just with different justifications to the public. Obama basically came from nowhere to be the President too, it seems possible that someone wanted him in office, but that could just be the Democratic Party seeing a young, charismatic candidate who they felt had a chance to win and nothing more.
 
Word....thats why they have turned loving America into a racist ideology.


I think this is one of the best and most important of Dump's speeches, I just hope he is real.

Dump's Speech to the New World Order!

 
People want coverage for routine healthcare because they are people, not cars!!

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People fall for the same crap from used car salesman as with government selling you safety and protection.
 
Meh, I don't know if it goes global/worldwide like some people think, but there's been a trend towards bigger and more intrusive government in America for a while now, in both parties. I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy or "puppet master(s)," as it's very possible it's just obvious corruption and the pursuit of more money and power by politicians and the people giving them money. All I was really saying is that it seems unlikely Obama is the puppet master of ring leader if there is one (or more than one), as the trends and actions he took were in line with Bush, etc, just with different justifications to the public. Obama basically came from nowhere to be the President too, it seems possible that someone wanted him in office, but that could just be the Democratic Party seeing a young, charismatic candidate who they felt had a chance to win and nothing more.
"According to Domhoff, many people seem to believe that the United States is ruled from behind the scenes by a conspiratorial elite with secret desires, i.e., by a small secretive group that wants to change the government system or put the country under the control of a world government...."
 
"According to Domhoff, many people seem to believe that the United States is ruled from behind the scenes by a conspiratorial elite with secret desires, i.e., by a small secretive group that wants to change the government system or put the country under the control of a world government...."
I'm not saying that people don't believe it, or even that it's completely unreasonable, just that it's not the only, or even the most likely conspiracy theory IMO. It's hard enough to have complete control over one large country, let alone every country on every continent, with so many vastly different cultures and forms of government.
 
Meh, I don't know if it goes global/worldwide like some people think, but there's been a trend towards bigger and more intrusive government in America for a while now, in both parties. I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy or "puppet master(s)," as it's very possible it's just obvious corruption and the pursuit of more money and power by politicians and the people giving them money. All I was really saying is that it seems unlikely Obama is the puppet master of ring leader if there is one (or more than one), as the trends and actions he took were in line with Bush, etc, just with different justifications to the public. Obama basically came from nowhere to be the President too, it seems possible that someone wanted him in office, but that could just be the Democratic Party seeing a young, charismatic candidate who they felt had a chance to win and nothing more.

Bilderberg group comes to mind.
 
I'm not saying that people don't believe it, or even that it's completely unreasonable, just that it's not the only, or even the most likely conspiracy theory IMO. It's hard enough to have complete control over one large country, let alone every country on every continent, with so many vastly different cultures and forms of government.

They openly have been calling for the NWO for many many decades, its not even a secret...thats even that the purpose of the creation of the UN building.
 
I'm not saying that people don't believe it, or even that it's completely unreasonable, just that it's not the only, or even the most likely conspiracy theory IMO. It's hard enough to have complete control over one large country, let alone every country on every continent, with so many vastly different cultures and forms of government.
How do you know how hard it is? What makes you believe we aren't already under control? I'm not meaning to be argumentative. It's the blatant and obvious regular taken for granted thing right in front of our faces that fool us. IMHO it's the intellect and academic ideologists that are the greatest victims because after all theyre too smart and educated to be deceived and fall for it.

Anyway... ;)
 
They openly have been calling for the NWO for many many decades, its not even a secret...thats even that the purpose of the creation of the UN building.
Again, I'm not saying it's completely out of the question, but the UN isn't really anywhere near being the global world-ruling juggernaut that it seems to want to be, at least not yet. I think that there are just too many countries that won't really want to give up sovereignty and control, or won't get along. US, Russia, China, etc all obeying the same rules/laws under a "NWO" seems highly unlikely in the even somewhat near future.
 
They openly have been calling for the NWO for many many decades, its not even a secret...thats even that the purpose of the creation of the UN building.

I agree...even back in the 70's I remember hearing about a one world government---back then americans were way too patriotic for that nonsense, but today...????????????????

it totally freaks me out to see how many americans hate this country, I find it truly disgusting!!!
 
I agree...even back in the 70's I remember hearing about a one world government---back then americans were way too patriotic for that nonsense, but today...????????????????

it totally freaks me out to see how many americans hate this country, I find it truly disgusting!!!


Eisenhower warned us about the NWO

 
How do you know how hard it is? What makes you believe we aren't already under control? I'm not meaning to be argumentative. It's the blatant and obvious regular taken for granted thing right in front of our faces that fool us. IMHO it's the intellect and academic ideologists that are the greatest victims because after all theyre too smart and educated to be deceived and fall for it.

Anyway... ;)
Maybe I'm just an "academic," haha, but in situations like this I turn to Occam's Razor; the simplest solution, with the fewest assumptions, is probably correct. When you hear hoofbeats, don't think zebras. Again, I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it requires several large assumptions, at the very least.

Edit: Is anyone here also going to attribute/relate this NWO to the "end times" or whatever they're called in the Bible?
 
Again, I'm not saying it's completely out of the question, but the UN isn't really anywhere near being the global world-ruling juggernaut that it seems to want to be, at least not yet. I think that there are just too many countries that won't really want to give up sovereignty and control, or won't get along. US, Russia, China, etc all obeying the same rules/laws under a "NWO" seems highly unlikely in the even somewhat near future.

Oh yeah definintly not yet, there also are people that have been pushing back against this as well thats why we need to keep the information wars up. They will succeed only if we let them.

China is all pro NWO btw and they are considered as a fine model to what the NWO should look like. They play all along with it. Of course years down the road there will be issues of consolidation, civil war from within, puppets put in place, all kinds of things can happen but China is all pro NWO. Russia of course does not appear to be so thats why they are portrayed as the evil empire and China is not even though we all know China is far worse than Russia.
 
"According to Domhoff, many people seem to believe that the United States is ruled from behind the scenes by a conspiratorial elite with secret desires, i.e., by a small secretive group that wants to change the government system or put the country under the control of a world government...."
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Isn't this while article debunking conspiracy theories?

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If there is an NWO, and the conspiracy​ is as widespread as some believe, then couldn't Trump also be part of it?

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Maybe I'm just an "academic," haha, but in situations like this I turn to Occam's Razor; the simplest solution, with the fewest assumptions, is probably correct. When you hear hoofbeats, don't think zebras. Again, I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it requires several large assumptions, at the very least.

Edit: Is anyone here also going to attribute/relate this NWO to the "end times" or whatever they're called in the Bible?

sometimes it is required to step outside the forrest to see the trees fully....
 
If there is an NWO, and the conspiracy​ is as widespread as some believe, then couldn't Trump also be part of it?

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If this hypothetical NWO is already controlling the world, it seems certain that Trump would be, at the least, approved/allowed by them, if not a part of them. The only other logical option would be that they simply don't think that he's strong enough to fight against their "end game." If they are as strong as some people say, how could it be otherwise?
 
If there is an NWO, and the conspiracy​ is as widespread as some believe, then couldn't Trump also be part of it?

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we will see....if he survives his term then the probability increases.

just an opinion....nothing more, nothing less
 
sometimes it is required to step outside the forrest to see the trees fully....
That didn't really address my point, but I suppose that is true. I'm not dismissing the possibility entirely, just saying that it is rather unlikely. It's worth keeping an eye out for, but certainly not viewing as anything near an absolute certainty.
 
If there is an NWO, and the conspiracy​ is as widespread as some believe, then couldn't Trump also be part of it?

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Im not claiming the NWO is in complete power, but they are extremely influential and powerful but the fruition of the agenda is far from complete and there is now global pushback with Dump being a part of the resistance assuming he is genuine.
 
Im not claiming the NWO is in complete power, but they are extremely influential and powerful but the fruition of the agenda is far from complete and there is now global pushback with Dump being a part of the resistance assuming he is genuine.
Genuine what is the question ;)

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That didn't really address my point, but I suppose that is true. I'm not dismissing the possibility entirely, just saying that it is rather unlikely. It's worth keeping an eye out for, but certainly not viewing as anything near an absolute certainty.

absolutely...you still have to live your life one way or the other. it is just food for thought!!!
 
we will see....if he survives his term then the probability increases.

just an opinion....nothing more, nothing less

Reagan was anti-NWO until after they almost took his life and then things changed, he changed....ya never know.
 
Genuine what is the question ;)

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I can only sit back and watch, I dont trust anybody in government. Action speaks louder than words of course so lets see what happens.
 
Honest question: if this NWO is truly intelligent, powerful, and influential enough to have control over the entire world, over the governments of all the powerful countries in the world, or to even have that reasonably within their reach, what makes you think that a bunch of keyboard warriors know anything at all about it? Either it'd be the most obvious case of hiding in plain sight in the history of history, or there's a plethora of red herrings that we're all chasing after.
 
If this hypothetical NWO is already controlling the world, it seems certain that Trump would be, at the least, approved/allowed by them, if not a part of them. The only other logical option would be that they simply don't think that he's strong enough to fight against their "end game." If they are as strong as some people say, how could it be otherwise?

Dump didnt have a chance to do anything yet, thats why the globalists are out to destroy him....or at least making it appear as they are.
 
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