Donald Trump running for president

Aleksandar37 said:
I agree about getting government out of health care and insurance. Health care should be allowed to be run as a business. If others want to start and donate to charity organizations to help out the less fortunate, then great, but I don't want to be forced to support anybody for any reason.
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why stop at healthcare...let's do away with ALL entitlements entirely.


wonder how that would play out?
 
David Dunn said:
BS...working for it?! Handed to them? Steel it from us is more like what they do.

"When the Continental Congress first met in 1774, it was made up of farmers, businessmen, lawyers, teachers and preachers who all had full time jobs in their respected professions. The first meeting lasted less than two months and all of the delegates returned home to their families and jobs.

When the US Congress first convened in 1789, it was again made up on farmers, businessmen, lawyers, teachers and preachers who all had full time jobs at home. Congress met for part of the year allowing for the newly elected senators and representatives to return home to their families and businesses. In these days, they were paid a daily per diem of about $6 for their public service, which meant that they had to rely largely on their private jobs to sustain them.

It was only as the federal government began to grow out of control that the job of serving in Congress became a full time profession. Once that happened, they managed to pass laws to give themselves numerous financial perks"

Tell me where I can apply for the job where I work part time, create my own job description and design my own life time benefits plans and jerks and have you pay for it.

I don't mind the janitor position either. I'll work real hard - no hand out - well above and beyond the job description I'll create for myself.
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If the job is so easy and has benefits that you want, what is stoppig you?
 
Misfit28 said:
I, on the other hand, don't mind supporting anybody. Abuse and fraud is what irritates me. I believe everyone should have access to affordable care, no matter your age or income.

Of course, I work at a non-profit research medical center so I'm a bit biased I suppose ;)
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I can totally respect you and other people that dont mind supporting others, but whats extremely irritating is when people want to force others against their free will to do so and rip away their options in life including who and what to help. Also whats extremely irritating is assuming you have a right to other peoples services. All this and through the power of armed authority with the power to destroy peoples lives. That is unjust, and inhumane.
 
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I can totally respect you and other people that dont mind supporting others, but whats extremely irritating is when people want to force others against their free will to do so and rip away their options in life including who and what to help. Also whats extremely irritating is assuming you have a right to other peoples services. All this and through the power of armed authority with the power to destroy peoples lives. That is unjust, and inhumane.
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Thank you! This is exactly what I'm saying. I should be able to fund what I want and it would certainly remove a lot of conflict when it comes to taxes and government spending.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Thank you! This is exactly what I'm saying. I should be able to fund what I want and it would certainly remove a lot of conflict when it comes to taxes and government spending.
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It doesnt happen like that in the real world USA. When those that are mandating I give so others can have and penalize me if I don't I tend to resent the "haves lots" who take from the "have less" to give to the "have none". Have the "have lots" share theirs too!

Me giving $100 of my $1000 has a lot more impact in my life than those giving $100 of their $100,000 earned or not.
 
David Dunn said:
It doesnt happen like that in the real world USA. When those that are mandating I give so others can have and penalize me if I don't I tend to resent the "haves lots" who take from the "have less" to give to the "have none". Have the "have lots" share theirs too!

Me giving $100 of my $1000 has a lot more impact in my life than those giving $100 of their $100,000 earned or not.
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If you get $100, why does it matter if it came from somebody who had $1000 or $100,000. You might appreciate it more, but that's emotion and has no impact on the actual monetary value.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
If you get $100, why does it matter if it came from somebody who had $1000 or $100,000. You might appreciate it more, but that's emotion and has no impact on the actual monetary value.
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Youre looking from the receiver view. I'm looking from the giver. Interesting. Your perspective may be where the numbers fail to add up for you. I'm not attaching emotion. I'm looking at the contribution percentage of my income. Those numbers don't jive.
 
David Dunn said:
Youre looking from the receiver view. I'm looking from the giver. Interesting. Your perspective may be where the numbers fail to add up for you. I'm not attaching emotion. I'm looking at the contribution percentage of my income. Those numbers don't jive.
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I'm trying to understand what you're saying because you're not being clear. Are you saying it's not fair and the $100,000 person should give more?
 
Sorry if I'm not clear.

I don't agree with being forced and penalized if I don't.

The proportionate amount of my income that I am required to contribute should be the same proportion for everyone. If it's 10% then so be it. 10% of $70,000 or $700,000. I'm pretty sure that the negative impact will still be greater on my family.
 
David Dunn said:
Sorry if I'm not clear.

I don't agree with being forced and penalized if I don't.

The proportionate amount of my income that I am required to contribute should be the same proportion for everyone. If it's 10% then so be it. 10% of $70,000 or $700,000. I'm pretty sure that the negative impact will still be greater on my family.
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It may just not be clicking in my head, but everything is already based on percentage, no?
 
Is it? Don't know. But my hardship is real when you dip into the little I have.

I loose my job and not only do I worry about where my income is gonna come from to feed my family and keep the roof over my head but also I'm gonna need to fear how much I'm going to be fined because I have no employer health care and can't pay for Obomacare.

We all experience different degrees of bull**** in life imposed by our government. It's hard enough for a middle aged blue collar guy to support his family and put his kids through college (that ****in loan will be a bitch) but now you're going to **** me for health insurance...as if it isn't already hard enough. WTF is my handout?!

Sorry but I've lost interest in the discussion (or don't want to vent my frustration inappropriately) ATM. No hard feelings?!

"The democrats think you're a republican. The republicans think you're a democrat. The rednecks think you're a liberal and the liberals think you're a redneck. What the hell are you Toby?

I'm big dog daddy and I do what I want!"

Toby Keith interview by Sammy Hagar
 
Why Trump’s Syria 'Surge' Will Fail

Written by Ron Paul
Monday March 13, 2017

Last week President Trump significantly escalated the US military presence in Syria, sending some 400 Marines to the ISIS-controlled Raqqa, and several dozen Army Rangers to the contested area around Manbij. According to press reports he will also station some 2,500 more US troops in Kuwait to be used as he wishes in Iraq and Syria.

Not only is it illegal under international law to send troops into another country without permission, it is also against US law for President Trump to take the country to war without a declaration. But not only is Trump’s first big war illegal: it is doomed to failure because it makes no sense.

President Trump says the purpose of the escalation is to defeat ISIS in Raqqa, its headquarters in Syria. However the Syrian Army with its allies Russia and Iran are already close to defeating ISIS in Syria. Why must the US military be sent in when the Syrian army is already winning? Does Trump wish to occupy eastern Syria and put a Washington-backed rebel government in charge? Has anyone told President Trump what that would to cost in dollars and lives – including American lives? How would this US-backed rebel government respond to the approach of a Syrian army backed up by the Russian military?

Is Trump planning on handing eastern Syria over to the Kurds, who have been doing much of the fighting in the area? How does he think NATO-ally Turkey would take a de facto Kurdistan carved out of Syria with its eyes on Kurdish-inhabited southern Turkey?

And besides, by what rights would Washington carve up Syria or any other country?

Or is Trump going to give up on the US policy of “regime change” and hand conquered eastern Syria back to Assad? If that is the case, why waste American lives and money if the Syrians and their allies are already doing the job? Candidate Trump even said he was perfectly happy with Russia and Syria getting rid of ISIS. If US policy is shifting toward accepting an Assad victory, it could be achieved by ending arms supplies to the rebels and getting out of the way.

It does not appear that President Trump or his advisors have thought through what happens next if the US military takes possession of Raqqa, Syria. What is the endgame? Maybe the neocons told him it would be a “cakewalk” as they promised before the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Part of the problem is that President Trump’s advisors believe the myth that the US “surge” in Iraq and Afghanistan was a great success and repeating it would being the victory that eluded Obama with his reliance of drones and proxy military forces. A big show of US military force on the ground – like the 100,000 sent to Afghanistan by Obama in 2009 – is what is needed in Syria, these experts argue. Rarely is it asked that if the surge worked so well why are Afghanistan and Iraq still a disaster?

President Trump’s escalation in Syria is doomed to failure. He is being drawn into a quagmire by the neocons that will destroy scores of lives, cost us a fortune, and may well ruin his presidency. He must de-escalate immediately before it is too late.

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ax1 said:
Why Trump’s Syria 'Surge' Will Fail

Written by Ron Paul
Monday March 13, 2017

Last week President Trump significantly escalated the US military presence in Syria, sending some 400 Marines to the ISIS-controlled Raqqa, and several dozen Army Rangers to the contested area around Manbij. According to press reports he will also station some 2,500 more US troops in Kuwait to be used as he wishes in Iraq and Syria.

Not only is it illegal under international law to send troops into another country without permission, it is also against US law for President Trump to take the country to war without a declaration. But not only is Trump’s first big war illegal: it is doomed to failure because it makes no sense.

President Trump says the purpose of the escalation is to defeat ISIS in Raqqa, its headquarters in Syria. However the Syrian Army with its allies Russia and Iran are already close to defeating ISIS in Syria. Why must the US military be sent in when the Syrian army is already winning? Does Trump wish to occupy eastern Syria and put a Washington-backed rebel government in charge? Has anyone told President Trump what that would to cost in dollars and lives – including American lives? How would this US-backed rebel government respond to the approach of a Syrian army backed up by the Russian military?

Is Trump planning on handing eastern Syria over to the Kurds, who have been doing much of the fighting in the area? How does he think NATO-ally Turkey would take a de facto Kurdistan carved out of Syria with its eyes on Kurdish-inhabited southern Turkey?

And besides, by what rights would Washington carve up Syria or any other country?

Or is Trump going to give up on the US policy of “regime change” and hand conquered eastern Syria back to Assad? If that is the case, why waste American lives and money if the Syrians and their allies are already doing the job? Candidate Trump even said he was perfectly happy with Russia and Syria getting rid of ISIS. If US policy is shifting toward accepting an Assad victory, it could be achieved by ending arms supplies to the rebels and getting out of the way.

It does not appear that President Trump or his advisors have thought through what happens next if the US military takes possession of Raqqa, Syria. What is the endgame? Maybe the neocons told him it would be a “cakewalk” as they promised before the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Part of the problem is that President Trump’s advisors believe the myth that the US “surge” in Iraq and Afghanistan was a great success and repeating it would being the victory that eluded Obama with his reliance of drones and proxy military forces. A big show of US military force on the ground – like the 100,000 sent to Afghanistan by Obama in 2009 – is what is needed in Syria, these experts argue. Rarely is it asked that if the surge worked so well why are Afghanistan and Iraq still a disaster?

President Trump’s escalation in Syria is doomed to failure. He is being drawn into a quagmire by the neocons that will destroy scores of lives, cost us a fortune, and may well ruin his presidency. He must de-escalate immediately before it is too late.

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the middle east is was and it seems always will be a mess. if we are going to be getting our oil from Canada and off shore drilling I am about ready to say let the middle east destroy itself.

my entire lifetime the united states has been involved in politics in the middle east, since we aren't reliant on them for oil anymore maybe it's time to step aside....
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Good stuff. I haven't watched any of his shows, but may have to check them out.
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It was refreshing to hear him, a gay, black male, father (I am assuming adopted son - don't know his relational situation so forgive any ignorance) and son of an inner city murdered cop, articulate his experiences in a way that made him attractive and endearing rather than repelling and denigrating.
 
David Dunn said:
It was refreshing to hear him, a gay, black male, father (I am assuming adopted son - don't know his relational situation so forgive any ignorance) and son of an inner city murdered cop, articulate his experiences in a way that made him attractive and endearing rather than repelling and denigrating.
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I would say that guy has/is leading a very 'interesting' life. too bad about his dad though, that is tough!!!
 
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So Obama was "back home" in Hawaii when the judge he went to Harvard with, and appointed to the bench, made his outrageous ruling on Trump's new lawful travel ban. Just like the last judge, no where in his ruling does he rule that the language of the law is unconsitutional, nor do he reference the US Code section that grants the President explicit power to enact such a travel ban, for any reason, decades ago.
 
youngandfree said:
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So Obama was "back home" in Hawaii when the judge he went to Harvard with, and appointed to the bench, made his outrageous ruling on Trump's new lawful travel ban. Just like the last judge, no where in his ruling does he rule that the language of the law is unconsitutional, nor do he reference the US Code section that grants the President explicit power to enact such a travel ban, for any reason, decades ago.
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Well, whenever you go back to your home state where your mother and grandfather were CIA, the government there went along with that fake birth certificate and even went out to shoot out the plane to assassinate the hospital's health director who "approved" the birth certificate just a few years back, your likely to have some pull to pull something off like what he just did with Dump. Rachel Maddow is nothing but a low life presstitute

On another note Congrats to Dump for paying a higher tax rate than Comcast (parents company of libtard MSNBC), Obama and even Bernie Sanders!
 
ax1 said:
Well, whenever you go back to your home state where your mother and grandfather were CIA, the government there went along with that fake birth certificate and even went out to shoot out the plane to assassinate the hospital's health director who "approved" the birth certificate just a few years back, your likely to have some pull to pull something off like what he just did with Dump. Rachel Maddow is nothing but a low life presstitute

On another note Congrats to Dump for paying a higher tax rate than Comcast (parents company of libtard MSNBC), Obama and even Bernie Sanders!
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I laughed when I saw that trump paid a higher percentage of taxes than the great socialist-Bernie sanders....politicians are ALL hypocrites!!!
 
thebigt said:
I laughed when I saw that trump paid a higher percentage of taxes than the great socialist-Bernie sanders....politicians are ALL hypocrites!!!
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Bernie is enjoying that 3rd Vermont vacation home he bought himself as a post election gift, way to go Bernie nice job!!!
 
ax1 said:
Bernie is enjoying that 3rd Vermont vacation home he bought himself as a post election gift, way to go Bernie nice job!!!
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I think that by now Bernie has been exposed as a fraud....but I am sure some people are still 'feeling the bern'.:lol:
 
ax1 said:
Well, whenever you go back to your home state where your mother and grandfather were CIA, the government there went along with that fake birth certificate and even went out to shoot out the plane to assassinate the hospital's health director who "approved" the birth certificate just a few years back, your likely to have some pull to pull something off like what he just did with Dump. Rachel Maddow is nothing but a low life presstitute

On another note Congrats to Dump for paying a higher tax rate than Comcast (parents company of libtard MSNBC), Obama and even Bernie Sanders!
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Lets not forget how quickly and IMO mysteriously his grandmothers health dropped off and she passed just weeks after he visited her in Hawaii. She died just one day before the election.

 
I wonder if Rachael Maddcow will be covering this story tonight?

Laptop holding Trump Tower floor plans, Hillary Clinton email investigation info stolen from Secret Service agent
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This is some REAL shadow government gangsta shyt!
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Wait lmfao. Are you saying he took out his grandmother? lol
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"Taken out" is a general term that covers a broad group of actions that could have lead to her demise. ;) (in the voice of trump)

Evil is not bound by the same moral compass as us regular folks? The atrocious evils perpetuated upon the people of world are not exclusive to "other" governments, leaders/dictators or the Catholic Church. Evil also resides in America, (areas) of our government, and (some) of our leaders. To dismiss it would be naive.

"I'm coming back. I will return. And I'll posses your body and I'll make you burn. I have the fire. I have the force. I have the power to make my evil take its course."

 
ax1 said:
I wonder if Rachael Maddcow will be covering this story tonight?

Laptop holding Trump Tower floor plans, Hillary Clinton email investigation info stolen from Secret Service agent
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The filth of all of fake news CiaNN conveniently left out any mention of the secret service agent reported that the laptop also contained info about Hitlery's private email server investigation.
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ax1 said:
I wonder if Rachael Maddcow will be covering this story tonight?

Laptop holding Trump Tower floor plans, Hillary Clinton email investigation info stolen from Secret Service agent
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She'll probably hype it up and then it will turn out to just be a pamphlet that somebody got from the lobby, I would imagine the floor plans would have been fairly easy to get though, no? It was just another building before the election.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
She'll probably hype it up and then it will turn out to just be a pamphlet that somebody got from the lobby, I would imagine the floor plans would have been fairly easy to get though, no? It was just another building before the election.
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Its a personalized building, can have secret rooms, pens, etc....plus these floor plans have the current situation where his wife and son are staying exactly. Also, these were the planned escape routes etc...Im sure there was stuff in there nobody is supposed to know. Also, to try to solidify my first point here, I know the Empire State building just had a secret place revealed just last year Invalid Link Removed

I also heard the Chrysler building has secrets in it too not revealed too long ago.
 
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Its a personalized building, can have secret rooms, pens, etc....plus these floor plans have the current situation where his wife and son are staying exactly. Also, these were the planned escape routes etc...Im sure there was stuff in there nobody is supposed to know. Also, to try to solidify my first point here, I know the Empire State building just had a secret place revealed just last year Invalid Link Removed

I also heard the Chrysler building has secrets in it too not revealed too long ago.
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Those aren't secret rooms; those are rooms that get revealed in articles like that or on television shows and the people that work and visit those building regularly say no ****, we've known about that for decades lol. I'm just saying that this isn't a secret prison somewhere. This is a building that was put together by the lowest bidder and I don't buy that it's the floor plans that they're afraid of losing. Anyway, maybe this will the hooker and her kid back to the White House so we can stop paying for two primary residences.
 
The primary concern is the escape plans that were planned to be choreographed by the secret service. Finding out about secret chambers just sounds cool and makes it more interesting lol.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Still no word on the laptop or its contents.
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I dont think the person who stole it was any wikileak type of person or someone who excactly has interest leaking it out to the public. I think it was a government insider possibly connected with shadow government and/or the Clintons. Then again if they have something on Dump they can use against it they can leak it down the road when the timing is right perhaps before the next election.

I did find a CiaNN article from yesterday claiming the laptop cant be traced or erased remotely but I dunno on that one. It could have been an honest statement from the official but he also might be brainwashed to trust his own government lol.
 
ax1 said:
It could have been an honest statement from the official but he also might be brainwashed to trust his own government lol.
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Why do you believe that is?

What is it that makes some very smart and educated Americans believe that our government and its leaders hold some higher moral compass and has greater integrity than that the rest of the worlds corrupt homicidal and genocidal governments and leaders? We are on the forfront of political corruption as well as espionage, technology tampering and invasion of privacy. Imagine number of deaths of our citizens and politicians at the hands of our own government.
 
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This Thursday, the House of Representatives will vote on a Republican bill that supposedly repeals Obamacare. However, the bill retains Obamacare’s most destructive features.

That is not to say this legislation is entirely without merit. For example, the bill expands the amount individuals can contribute to a health savings account (HSA). HSAs allow individuals to save money tax-free to pay for routine medical expenses. By restoring individuals’ control over healthcare dollars, HSAs remove the distortions introduced in the healthcare market by government policies encouraging over-reliance on third-party payers.

The legislation also contains other positive tax changes, such a provision allowing individuals to use healthcare tax credits to purchase a "catastrophic-only" insurance policy. Ideally, health insurance should only cover major or catastrophic health events. No one expects their auto insurance to cover routine oil changes, so why should they expect health insurance to cover routine checkups?

Unfortunately the bill’s positive aspects are more than outweighed by its failure to repeal Obamacare's regulations and price controls. Like all price controls, Obamacare distorts the signals that a freely functioning marketplace sends to consumers and producers, thus guaranteeing chaos in the marketplace. The result of this chaos is higher prices, reduced supply, and lowered quality.

Two particularly insidious Obamacare regulations are guaranteed issue and community ratings. As the name suggests, guaranteed issue forces health insurance companies to issue a health insurance policy to anyone who applies for coverage. Community ratings forces health insurance companies to charge an obese couch potato and a physically-fit jogger similar premiums. This forces the jogger to subsidize the couch potato’s unhealthy lifestyle.

Obamacare’s individual mandate was put in place to ensure that guaranteed issue and community ratings would not drive health insurance companies out of business. Rather than repealing guaranteed issue and community ratings, the House Republicans’ plan forces those who go longer than two months without health insurance to pay a penalty to health insurance companies when they purchase new policies.

It is hard to feel sympathy for the insurance companies since they supported Obamacare. These companies were eager to accept government regulations in exchange for a mandate that individuals buy their product. But we should feel sympathy for Americans who are struggling to afford, or even obtain, healthcare because of Obamacare and who will obtain little or no relief from Obamacare 2.0.

The underlying problem with the Republican proposal is philosophical. The plan put forth by the alleged pro-free-market Republicans implicitly accepts the premise that healthcare is a right that must be provided by government. But rights are inalienable aspects of our humanity, not gifts from government.

If government can give us rights, then it can also limit or even take away those rights. Giving government power to enforce a fictitious right to healthcare justifies government theft and coercion. Thievery and violence do not suddenly become moral when carried out by governments.

Treating healthcare as a right leads to government intervention, which, as we have seen, inevitably leads to higher prices and lower quality. This is why, with the exception of those specialties, like plastic surgery, that are still treated as goods, not rights, healthcare is one of the few areas where innovation leads to increased costs.

America’s healthcare system will only be fixed when a critical mass of people rejects the philosophical and economic fallacies justifying government-run healthcare. Those of us who know the truth must continue to work to spread the ideas of, and grow the movement for, liberty.
 
David Dunn said:
Why do you believe that is?

What is it that makes some very smart and educated Americans believe that our government and its leaders hold some higher moral compass and has greater integrity than that the rest of the worlds corrupt homicidal and genocidal governments and leaders? We are on the forfront of political corruption as well as espionage, technology tampering and invasion of privacy. Imagine number of deaths of our citizens and politicians at the hands of our own government.
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I guess I am dumb, stupid AND uneducated then....the u.s has been involved in all sorts of heinous, hideous acts-and those are just the ones where they were caught!!!
 
I enjoy the statement; "we find no evidence of..." when they openly and publicly attempt accountability and transparency. Of course you found no evidence...
 
David Dunn said:
I enjoy the statement; "we find no evidence of..." when they openly and publicly attempt accountability and transparency. Of course you found no evidence...
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it's incredible how predictable politicians have become...when Pelosi said she fears the department of justice will BECOME politicized I nearly fell out of my chair.
 
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More good news from home. This dude stole a rental car from a scenic overlook. It was rented by an out of state Advance Auto emoloyee, who had come into town for something at the Corporate Headquarters. The news reel showing the bomb robots going through the trunk shows that employees luggage, not the crazy guy's stuff. Got that from a buddy that works at the headquarters. Now on the local news, they interviewed crazy guys friend. Of course he said he would never actually make some kind of threat. He thinks his crazy friend had trouble adjusting back to "civilian life" after serving in the military. Not to be a dick, but how stressful can it get for a Navy avionics technician?

At least they stoped him at the gate, instead of at the front door. Secret Service is 1 for 3 so far.
 
youngandfree said:
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More good news from home. This dude stole a rental car from a scenic overlook. It was rented by an out of state Advance Auto emoloyee, who had come into town for something at the Corporate Headquarters. The news reel showing the bomb robots going through the trunk shows that employees luggage, not the crazy guy's stuff. Got that from a buddy that works at the headquarters. Now on the local news, they interviewed crazy guys friend. Of course he said he would never actually make some kind of threat. He thinks his crazy friend had trouble adjusting back to "civilian life" after serving in the military. Not to be a dick, but how stressful can it get for a Navy avionics technician?

At least they stoped him at the gate, instead of at the front door. Secret Service is 1 for 3 so far.
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This is the part where I ask you what role you served in the Navy or military and you ignore the question.
 
If I served in the Navy, then I wouldn't have asked the question would I. If you didn't serve and can't answer the question, then all you have is peronal attacks, like usual. :)
 
youngandfree said:
If I served in the Navy, then I wouldn't have asked the question would I. If you didn't serve and can't answer the question, then all you have is peronal attacks, like usual. :)
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I didn't attack you. You yet again put down a member of the military based on ignorance. I'm simply asking what expertise you have to do that? You're assuming he had an easy job why? Because his job title sounds boring to you? I didn't serve, but can use a ****ing search engine to find that job can be extremely stressful.
 
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