Donald Trump running for president

Jiigzz said:
Is that only obamas fault??? Cmon man. You are blinded by hate
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If Trump supporters blame Obama completely for ISIS, then it won't be Trump's fault when he can't get rid of them.

The opposite is also true, because they can take credit for anything Obama has already put into motion before Trump if he manages to stop them.

It's a win-win for them.

That's my perspective, anyway.
 
Misfit28 said:
If Trump supporters blame Obama completely for ISIS, then it won't be Trump's fault when he can't get rid of them.

The opposite is also true, because they can take credit for anything Obama has already put into motion before Trump if he manages to stop them.

It's a win-win for them.

That's my perspective, anyway.
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Just like Obama supporters blamed Bush for everything. Both sides are actually so similar in reality. The funny, but not haha funny, is that they will call the other party on it, but don't seem to know, or at least don't want to admit, that they do the same thing themselves.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Just like Obama supporters blamed Bush for everything. Both sides are actually so similar in reality. The funny, but not haha funny, is that they will call the other party on it, but don't seem to know, or at least don't want to admit, that they do the same thing themselves.
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carter opened this can of worms by not supporting the shah of iran, sure the shah was a tyrant but there was stability...

once the ayatollahs took over in iran they were at odds with saddam who didn't much give a crap about religion. iran and Iraq warred with each other and kind of neutralized things, providing again a sense of stability...

until bush jr decided to overthrow saddam. with saddam out of the way Iranian ayatollahs had no one to keep them in check, but with the American army occupying Iraq they bidded their time....

then came Obama, he pulled out the American forces before the iraninan army had full control over things after being decimated by the American forces. now comes the tricky part, without American support the radicals[Islamic extremists] were able to establish strongholds in Iraq, and iran felt free to act the fool because saddam was no longer there to keep them in check, and Obama had shown he had no stomach to be an enforcer in the region.

ok, I admit this is just a simple man's version, and I am sure mistakes were made...but I have lived through this mess and this is how I see it....I totally hate Obama and wish I could blame every problem in the world on him---but this is not the case, there is plenty of blame to go around for the mess we are in....

trump is president and is inheriting a genuine worldwide mess that is not of his making, the man needs all of the support he can get-and criticism when he f*cksup which I am sure he will....but all of this anti-trump nonsense BEFORE he is even sworn in borders on anti-american in my humble opinion.
 
thebigt said:
really who cares...cnn and the American media provided a ton of aid to Clinton under the guise of being impartial.

trump is president...get over it!!!!:scool:
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Now, my question is why do some people think it's inherently bad to get along with Russia? Ideally, shouldn't we get along with other powerful countries? Also, doesn't the US fund and/or interfere with foreign elections all the time?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Now, my question is why do some people think it's inherently bad to get along with Russia? Ideally, shouldn't we get along with other powerful countries? Also, doesn't the US fund and/or interfere with foreign elections all the time?
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I have probably read a hundred 'cold war' espionage novels....if all of that 'spying' was going on before the internet what makes people think that it stopped, lol.....you would have to be horribly naïve to think that 'spying' in the form of internet hacking does not happen ALL THE TIME....INFORMATION IS POWER!!!
 
youngandfree said:
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lol...the struggle between good and evil. Christians, jews and muslims worship the same GOD!!!

yup, Obama claims the Iranians are under control with his 'masterful' deal...geez, can't wait to see Obama go!!!
 
youngandfree said:
So you are disputing that the leaders of ISIS, al Queda and even Iran want to usher in the 12th Imam and establish a caliphate.
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You've googled enough to make it look like you might know what you're talking about, but you don't. That said, what I stated had nothing to do with that. I'm saying that a mentally ill man has made a claim and you're now stating that as fact.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Now, my question is why do some people think it's inherently bad to get along with Russia? Ideally, shouldn't we get along with other powerful countries? Also, doesn't the US fund and/or interfere with foreign elections all the time?
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People believe in propaganda. We all do the same thing and we all deny it.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You've googled enough to make it look like you might know what you're talking about, but you don't. That said, what I stated had nothing to do with that. I'm saying that a mentally ill man has made a claim and you're now stating that as fact.
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He didn't claim any mental illness when he told them he did it for ISIS after he was arrested. I guess I need you or misfit to educate me on why the muslims that claim to believe in the 12th Imam are wrong.
 
youngandfree said:
He didn't claim any mental illness when he told them he did it for ISIS after he was arrested. I guess I need you or misfit to educate me on why the muslims that claim to believe in the 12th Imam are wrong.
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The fact that you don't separate Sunni and Shia tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about. That's like saying that all Christians use rosaries.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
The fact that you don't separate Sunni and Shia tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about. That's like saying that all Christians use rosaries.
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You mean that ISIS are sunnI and want to kill all non believers and form a caliphate. Or the Iranian Shias that want to kill the western beliefs and interests. The Shias are waiting on the 12th imam. And want to destroy the Great Satan and Little Satan, the US and Israel. So both factions want to kill non believers.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
People believe in propaganda. We all do the same thing and we all deny it.
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We are all hypocrites at some level, but I try my best to be aware of and minimize it, where many people not only don't attempt to minimize it, but actually take pride in their stubbornness and blind devotion and dogma.
 
youngandfree said:
You mean that ISIS are sunnI and want to kill all non believers and form a caliphate. Or the Iranian Shias that want to kill the western beliefs and interests. The Shias are waiting on the 12th imam. And want to destroy the Great Satan and Little Satan, the US and Israel. So both factions want to kill non believers.
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ISIS is a small minority of Sunnis. You act like every single Sunni is a terrorist bent on the destruction of America.

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Misfit28 said:
ISIS is a small minority of Sunnis. You act like every single Sunni is a terrorist bent on the destruction of America.

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I never said that. I specifically referred to muslim terrorists that sympathize with ISIS, which are sunni. And the Shia Iranians that want to kill Americans and Israelis.
 
youngandfree said:
I never said that. I specifically referred to muslim terrorists that sympathize with ISIS, which are sunni. And the Shia Iranians that want to kill Americans and Israelis.
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Do you know how much actual support ISIS has in Muslim countries? Not much.

And ISIS supporters are actually a small subgroup within the Sunnis.

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Misfit28 said:
Do you know how much actual support ISIS has in Muslim countries? Not much.

And ISIS supporters are actually a small subgroup within the Sunnis.

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You're ignoring my entire point. It doesn't matter what sub group of Sunnis ISIS makes up, or how many muslim countries support them. My point is the terrorists that claim support or allegiance to ISIS are in fact Muslim terrorists.
 
youngandfree said:
You're ignoring my entire point. It doesn't matter what sub group of Sunnis ISIS makes up, or how many muslim countries support them. My point is the terrorists that claim support or allegiance to ISIS are in fact Muslim terrorists.
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From your article:

" The agent did not elaborate on whether Santiago was purporting to be linked to ISIS or simply inspired by the terrorist organization.

Federal authorities in Alaska said Santiago told them prior to the attack that he was hearing voices and that his mind was being controlled by the CIA. Santiago made no such claim during the six-hour interview conducted shortly after the January 6 shooting at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport, Ferlazzo testified.

ISIS has not claimed responsibility for the attack."

Does this definitively prove that he was a "Muslim terrorist"? No.

Did you ever think that ISIS is just the first thing that came into his head? The man is obviously mentally ill. Maybe he wanted more publicity. Mentioning ISIS will certainly make headlines.

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"Since the attack, investigators recovered his computer from a pawn shop, and the FBI is examining it to determine whether the alleged shooter created a jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad, according to officials familiar with the case."
As was reported before about Santiago taking a Muslim name.
 
youngandfree said:
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"Since the attack, investigators recovered his computer from a pawn shop, and the FBI is examining it to determine whether the alleged shooter created a jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad, according to officials familiar with the case."
As was reported before about Santiago taking a Muslim name.
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That still doesn't sound definitive.

The fact that it says that they are using the laptop to determine whether he used a Muslim name means they have yet to find anything.

And yet ISIS has still failed to claim responsibility. They seem to claim responsibility for almost anything resembling terrorism these days, why not this?

Is it so hard to believe that someone might be mentally ill after serving in a combat zone?
 
youngandfree said:
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"Since the attack, investigators recovered his computer from a pawn shop, and the FBI is examining it to determine whether the alleged shooter created a jihadist identity for himself using the name Aashiq Hammad, according to officials familiar with the case."
As was reported before about Santiago taking a Muslim name.
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More Americans have killed Americans than any terrorist ever could.

Its funny the way people think. Muslim attacks something, "it's ISIS! Hate all Muslims". White christian attacks something, "he's not with us. He's unstable. Dont judge us all based on this one guy".

Lol
 
Jiigzz said:
More Americans have killed Americans than any terrorist ever could.

Its funny the way people think. Muslim attacks something, "it's ISIS! Hate all Muslims". White christian attacks something, "he's not with us. He's unstable. Dont judge us all based on this one guy".

Lol
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It's funny when a non white person kills someone here, the media narrative always begins with a "white tea party person" killed someone. When it usually isn't a white guy, and they end up supporting democrats.
 
youngandfree said:
It's funny when a non white person kills someone here, the media narrative always begins with a "white tea party person" killed someone. When it usually isn't a white guy, and they end up supporting democrats.
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Where do you live and what year are the news articles you are reading from? Who the hell is still talking about the tea party?
 
youngandfree said:
It's funny when a non white person kills someone here, the media narrative always begins with a "white tea party person" killed someone. When it usually isn't a white guy, and they end up supporting democrats.
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So they change the ethnicity of the person in their reporting? Sounds like they need a better news team, LOL.
 
Jiigzz said:
More Americans have killed Americans than any terrorist ever could.

Its funny the way people think. Muslim attacks something, "it's ISIS! Hate all Muslims". White christian attacks something, "he's not with us. He's unstable. Dont judge us all based on this one guy".

Lol
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Add in the fact that most terrorists are financed, trained and armed by American CIA and politicians I'd say this world is F'ed up.
 
ax1 said:
Add in the fact that most terrorists are financed, trained and armed by American CIA and politicians I'd say this world is F'ed up.
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Edit: It's true! The 'bad' people of the world are funded and trained by the USA in many cases to help topple the governments that disagree with us, so they turn against us eventually... that's one scenario. There are others quite similar to that story. It's about money and power. Not our way of life. <-- Excuse.

It's intentional, and it works. The entire two party system invented to keep one fighting with the other in power, and vice versa. It's sick. Those who hold the power will never lose it. They are pulling the strings.

As soon as everyone figures it out, and acts on it by not hating but actually working together (it won't happen). Human beings love to hate, or create drama where there is none in order to distract from the real drama.

I'd like anyone to watch the movie Zeitgeist, I know it's cheesy, but it makes a few important points that could alleviate some stress between people that is not necessary. Let me know what you think of it.

I am learning to dislike mantra's of political parties: "HOPE", not sure what the hope was for really, and now this "Make America Great Again." spoken by an old man in his 70's thinking of when he was young? That's some scary crap.

I mean, America was better in the late 70's-80's.. great music.. but really man, you go back to far and you're digging up some bones that are better left buried. He probably suffers from Alzheimers, and or Dementia. Don't get me started with Hillary, she's old as dirt too. At least Bernie Sanders is old but remembers everything, and was the best candidate in the top 3. I wish I knew more about the others but of course their voices were never really given a chance.

That's your two party system.
 
youngandfree said:
They said they wish it was a white guy. That was part of my 2 part claim.
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Yes, because they are selling a fictional narrative by taking what a small percent of a certain population has done and exaggerating that to include all of that population. Exactly what you're doing with Muslims.
 
Anyone watching Morgan Freedman's new show about searching for God?
It's pretty damned amazing. Puts things in better perspective.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I'm more of an oolong or black tea kind of guy. I don't mind green teas, but they tend to be too bitter for me.
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This girl at work let me try some great Oolong Tea, and I do love Black Tea, especially iced. Going to give Jasmine a try as it's kind of floral.
 
Maybe take a break from party lines and the hate talk to see something pretty cool.

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Misfit28 said:
I still don't see why the tea party is a relevant part of your argument. Unless you're saying all white people are tea party members, which is still erroneous.
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Im not saying it. It was the running media narrative when ever a shooting happened and they started reporting on it. Remember George Zimmerman was represented as a white guy killing an unarmed black guy. When it was reported he was Hispanic then they reported him as a WHITE hispanic.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Yes, because they are selling a fictional narrative by taking what a small percent of a certain population has done and exaggerating that to include all of that population. Exactly what you're doing with Muslims.
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Im not doing it to all Muslims. Just those that commit jihad and acts of terror.
 
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