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thebigt said:
trump is inheriting this problem, why blame him for the sins of those who came before him[and I am including republicans]....yes, I hope he focuses on criminals like he has said he will.

I think it is insane for states to protect illegal aliens who come here and commit crimes, surely you do not agree with this?
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So these kids are all criminals? Where do you get this stuff?
 
thebigt said:
trump is inheriting this problem, why blame him for the sins of those who came before him[and I am including republicans]....yes, I hope he focuses on criminals like he has said he will.

I think it is insane for states to protect illegal aliens who come here and commit crimes, surely you do not agree with this?
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If he reverses DACA not only criminals could be targeted. I hope that's all he targets.

I don't agree with the protection of criminal illegal immigrants.
 
Misfit28 said:
That depends on the age of criminal responsibility in the state where they entered.

That's a strawman argument.
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That would be a loophole, guess you would have to look at both federal and state law. I think the only states we would have to look at are border states, or ocean states as well.

These children need to simply not be labeled a "criminal" and be sent back to their home countries or any country that is wanting them. The USA is 20 trillion dollars in debt and cannot afford any of them. Its unfortunate but thats the honest reality.
 
ax1 said:
That would be a loophole, guess you would have to look at both federal and state law. I think the only states we would have to look at are border states, or ocean states as well.

These children need to simply not be labeled a "criminal" and be sent back to their home countries or any country that is wanting them. The USA is 20 trillion dollars in debt and cannot afford any of them. Its unfortunate but thats the honest reality.
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So the ones who are paying into Social Security and paying taxes as well? That creates a deficit that can't be made up. Big picture here, folks.
 
thebigt said:
fair enough....just what do you have to do to get a life sentence without killing? it would be a fair assumption that many of those pardoned [or commuted sentences] are not 1st offenders and have already been given a 2nd chance, 3rd chance, maybe even a 4th chance????
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Also, it's an assumption (and not fair IMO) that these are repeat offenders.

First time non-violent offender:

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This guy had two counts from when he was 18, which made his sentence much more harsh:

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Misfit28 said:
So the ones who are paying into Social Security and paying taxes as well? That creates a deficit that can't be made up. Big picture here, folks.
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Maybe we just need to draw the line and focus on only deporting real criminals (not people that committed a crime 30 years ago though, like people that fixed themselves up) and just concentrate on drawing the line right now. Lets just start enforcing the basic immigration laws from here, from today on instead of having the White House order border patrol to let immigrants pour in unchecked without background/medical/etc.... That would make definite sense. That I wouldnt feel so bad when TSA fondles my testicles.
 
ax1 said:
Maybe we just need to draw the line and focus on only deporting real criminals (not people that committed a crime 30 years ago though, like people that fixed themselves up) and just concentrate on drawing the line right now. Lets just start enforcing the basic immigration laws from here, from today on instead of having the White House order border patrol to let immigrants pour in unchecked without background/medical/etc.... That would make definite sense. That I wouldnt feel so bad when TSA fondles my testicles.
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How many immigrants are "pouring in" unchecked? You must have a data source to make such a claim.
 
Misfit28 said:
How many immigrants are "pouring in" unchecked? You must have a data source to make such a claim.
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Im going by Border Patrol under sworn in court testimony and other interviews with Border Patrol. Ill believe them over the fake news factcheck.
 
Misfit28 said:
So these kids are all criminals? Where do you get this stuff?
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reread post #16152...since you are a stickler for correctness, show me any mention of kids or children in the post you replied to!!!!

my question is do you agree it is insane for states to protect illegal aliens who come here and commit crimes?
 
thebigt said:
reread post #16152...since you are a stickler for correctness, show me any mention of kids or children in the post you replied to!!!!

my question is do you agree it is insane for states to protect illegal aliens who come here and commit crimes?
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I read it at the time. DACA is for the children of illegals. My point is pertinent.

The topic at hand was DACA, you mentioned that Trump will be deporting illegals. It follows that you were talking about people protected by DACA, hence children.

Obviously you didn't read the article in the post YOU were responding to :)
 
Misfit28 said:
I read it at the time. DACA is for the children of illegals. My point is pertinent.

The topic at hand was DACA, you mentioned that Trump will be deporting illegals. It follows that you were talking about people protected by DACA, hence children.
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immigration is very complex, with many issues. the issue I am focusing on right here, right now is states that are committed to protecting alien immigrants who commit crimes. this issue is a no brainer, to me at least it defies logic to protect someone who is here illegally breaking our laws!!!
 
thebigt said:
immigration is very complex, with many issues. the issue I am focusing on right here, right now is states that are committed to protecting alien immigrants who commit crimes. this issue is a no brainer, to me at least it defies logic to protect someone who is here illegally breaking our laws!!!
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I never said criminals shouldn't be deported.
 
Misfit28 said:
Credible source?
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Not to pick on you, but does it mean anything if I post "credible source" to someone who likes sources I find highly uncredible??? lol

Border patrol says the white house told them to just let them walk across in bunches and munches.

Anyways I posted this back in may I found it VVV

ax1 said:
In a shocking reversal of policy, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents are being told to release illegal immigrants and no longer order them to appear at deportation hearings, essentially a license to stay in the United States, a key agent testified Thursday.

What's more, the stand down order includes a requirement that the whereabouts of illegals released are not to be tracked.

"We might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether," suggested agent Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council.
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ax1 said:
Not to pick on you, but does it mean anything if I post "credible source" to someone who likes sources I find highly uncredible??? lol

Border patrol says the white house told them to just let them walk across in bunches and munches.

Anyways I posted this back in may I found it VVV
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Well, if the shoe fits ;). I'm am so done with fake news sites.


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Find me an actual transcript of the testimony and I'll believe it.
 
Misfit28 said:
Well, if the shoe fits ;). I'm am so done with fake news sites.


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Find me an actual transcript of the testimony and I'll believe it.
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Oh god, this is what you have come down too? ROFL
 
ax1 said:
Oh god, this is what you have come down too? ROFL
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Primary sources? Yes.

Otherwise you are relying on a third party to analyze information and spoon-feed it to you.

You also tend to believe what your preconceptions tell you to believe. Not just you, everyone.
 
Misfit28 said:
Primary sources? Yes.

Otherwise you are relying on a third party to analyze information and spoon-feed it to you.

You also tend to believe what your preconceptions tell you to believe. Not just you, everyone.
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You tend to believe in factshyt and other heavily biased sources as well historically here so dont go there.
 
Misfit28 said:
You also tend to believe what your preconceptions tell you to believe. Not just you, everyone.
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I take it back, your the most un-biased, preconception-less knower and differentiator of facts and fallasy in the history of this forum.
 
ax1 said:
My tooth fell out
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Misfit28 said:
Credible source???
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ax1 said:
Well, I was a first hand witness and I have the medical diagnosis too as I needed a stitch
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Misfit28 said:
I see that, I looked that Tooth doctor up, he apparently is a right winger nut job who supports Dump and is a violent racist waiting to break out of his shell
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ax1 said:
Wait wut? Dude, he is just doctor, whats his political ideology got to do with anything
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Misfit28 said:
Your a angry disgruntled racist white male who frequents that loony nut Alex guy that does doz konzcpirasies
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ax1 said:
Woohhhh, look my tooth fell out
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Misfit28 said:
http://www.factcheck.org/
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Like all "Great" presidents in history, there are sides to these men we were never privy to, only rumor; innuendo, or even a few stories arise eventually, but that cannot discount some of their greatness stamped on this country.

You name him, there is usually one or two outstanding things about them which would have disqualified them to sit as president today. Strange how that works.

That said. Knowing how I feel about the words Trump has said, and his boorish actions towards women; additionally poorly worded tweets and statements without much forethought or reflection. I hope for our sake that mother*cker makes good on behalf of a nation filled with rightfully proud Americans based on a lengthy heritage of not taking sh!t.

I voted for the old(er) guy.
 
Misfit28 said:
The problem there is that I can actually compose intelligible sentences and spell things correctly ;)
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That's what makes you so accurate with the political affairs of the day. Nice job! Take that right wingers!
 
Misfit28 said:
You know that if Trump gets rid of DACA it will cost SS and Medicare billions from the workers it deports. Remember, these were children when they entered the US. They didn't have a choice.
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Many were flown here from Central America by the state depart mentioned to be "reunited" with their illegal parents. Deport the whole family.
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youngandfree said:
Many were flown here from Central America by the state depart mentioned to be "reunited" with their illegal parents. Deport the whole family.
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Once again, fake news. Imagine that.

Such an obviously partisan site. Here's the actual program info:

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I don't think any of that really matters any more. It's all about pitting one group against the other and distractions from what is real. The few who own everything and are in possession of all the power make the rules we all have to obey.

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This entire argument about who was running for POTUS is and always was moot, which I why I find it difficult to become upset about anything but what I see and hear right from a person's mouth, and even then we have superb editing alla reality television. We are shown whom to demonize and despise based on what we think we see and hear.

What you have learned in school is more than likely some version of a lie.
What you have watched on television has brainwashed your views of what is reality.
Stop watching FOX; CNN; MSNBC and even the Local News. It's fluff.

Go outside.
Love your family and your neighbor.
Live your life.
 
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Misfit28 said:
It's hilarious that you think the other things you post aren't biased.
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You're the one crying the liberal talking point of "fake news", then used a source from one of the most partisan liberal sources out there. That's no different than Facebook proclaiming they are going to use lefty sources to determine if a story is "fake news".
 
youngandfree said:
You're the one crying the liberal talking point of "fake news", then used a source from one of the most partisan liberal sources out there. That's no different than Facebook proclaiming they are going to use lefty sources to determine if a story is "fake news".
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Whatever. Go drink some more Trump-Aid.

The "Washington Examiner" is a piece of crap disguised to look real.

The "liberal talking point" of fake news is very valid. However, conservatives like yourself are so blinded by your hatred of everything liberal that you'll believe literally ANYTHING.
 
David Dunn said:
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That's fine with me. I'm surprised you guys can even type with the amount of bovine excrement on your fingers.
 
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