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ax1 said:
China threatens to cut iPhone sales if Trump declares a trade war

State-run newspaper says increased tariffs could leave trade 'paralyzed' between China and the US

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It's little things like this that will determine his failure or success IMO.

He seems not to have the capacity to look at the macro level effects of his decisions as President.
 
Misfit28 said:
It's little things like this that will determine his failure or success IMO.

He seems not to have the capacity to look at the macro level effects of his decisions as President.
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We dont know what his capacity he really has until we see it....we do know he is a master negotiator. What he said when campaigning may have just been a ploy to set up the initial negotiation. Negotiation is an art, a science, and psychology, but lets see what happens and that it works out well for us, as well as the Chinese.
 
youngandfree said:
God forbid if people don't get their new I Phone.
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Nothing would resonate with the masses of minions if the Chinese didnt mention iPhone. Can you imagine if they just said silicone even if it meant 100x more at stake?
 
Why the electoral college might be good.

Look at my state in NY, they keep re-electing that douch Cuomo who only serves tiny pockets of my state.

Now...I dont consider myself a "red" person, Im straight up plaid, just trying to make a point.

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I hear about Soros, Soros, etc. Is he really behind this or is he a Keyser Sosek?

About Bannon can anyone find one piece he authored which is genuinely White Supremacist? not West Coast White Supremacist but you know considered so by level headed and mature folks?
 
UCSMiami said:
I hear about Soros, Soros, etc. Is he really behind this or is he a Keyser Sosek?

About Bannon can anyone find one piece he authored which is genuinely White Supremacists? not West Coast White Supremacists but you know considered so by level headed and mature folks?
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He dumps money into alot of groups and media....it was in his own emails that he was going to take part of Shadow government under Hitlery and took part in Ukrainian government overthrows etc...... Anyways there is alot out there about him dont have time to spill all the beans but he is a evil piece of trash.

I dunno anything about Bannon, but CNN just covered it and then linked Dump to Alex Jones and CNN was dumping the conspiracy slogan and attacking the 9/11 truth movement I for now will take the Bannon story with a grain of salt.
 
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Total left wing conspiracy.
It's clear this woman punched herself in the face once she realized she threw her vote away on things like health care and fair wages. Idiot could have voted trump and made America great again. \sarcasm
 
ax1 said:
Soros, Media Matters (Why no extremist coverage on CiaNN??) and other lefties are planning the biggest protests in history in 65 days.
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I won't be surprised if there is a socialist revolution funded by Soros within Trumps presidency lol where is this protest going to be at?
 
Gutterpump said:
Just read up on the alt-right. Simple as that.
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I know when I first searched yesterday, the first page of hits were from sites which would consider me suspect. I really need a stable level headed source, like I am, rather than Mother Jones and their like.

In any case, Trump has never been white supremacist in his views. Crass, anti-PC,etc sure but not pro-white this, pro-white that.
Making America Great Again is not racist. we all remember the really good times in the 1990s and except 2001 the years leading to the bust.
 
Gutterpump said:
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Total left wing conspiracy.
It's clear this woman punched herself in the face once she realized she threw her vote away on things like health care and fair wages. Idiot could have voted trump and made America great again. \sarcasm
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Dude, there are violent idiots on both sides.
 
As for the alt-right, well I do not approve of multi-culturalism at the expensive of being an American first. All them folks who came here in the immigration boom post-Civil War through the 1920s became as American as those who were here in the Revolution because they assimilated. Sure they kept some of the old folkways, language, food, customs, etc. Which is fine but multiculturalism as expressed today places being an American second and whatever they are first.
Like I always said when I was a kid I was considered an American, then later I was identified as a Hispanic, then-now a Latino. I just want to be an American.

No country survives being balkanized.

I think when so called liberals think in terms of white supremacists- they include folks who reject white guilt & white privilege, take pride in the heritage of the USA, and make no apologizes for the past. In other words, those of us who were considered normal mainstream folk in the 1970s-1990s.

To them I am probably the same as Ernst junger.
 
UCSMiami said:
I know when I first searched yesterday, the first page of hits were from sites which would consider me suspect. I really need a stable level headed source, like I am, rather than Mother Jones in their like.

In any case, Trump has never been white supremacist in his views. Crass, anti-PC,etc sure but not pro-white this, pro-white that.
Making America Great Again is not racist. we all remember the really good times in the 1990s and except 2001 the years leading to the bust.
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Whats sad is millions and millions of people appear to believe that and I dont see much of accountability and enough people from the other side stepping forward to settle the situation. Im afraid its going to get much worse soon and for all the wrong reasons and with the wrong solutions.

The plot will be to destroy Dump within the next 4 years. He better do a good job and win more support, Im giving him a chance.
 
UCSMiami said:
As for the alt-right, well I do not approve of multi-culturalism at the expensive of being an American first. All them folks who came here in the immigration boom post-Civil War through the 1920s became as American as those who were here in the Revolution because they assimilated. Sure they kept some of the old folkways, language, food, customs, etc. Which is fine but multiculturalism as expressed today places being an American second and whatever they are first.
Like I always said when I was a kid I was considered an American, then later I was identified as a Hispanic, then-now a Latino. I just want to be an American.

No country survives being balkanized.

I think when so called liberals think in terms of white supremacists- they include folks who reject white guilt, white privilege, take pride in the heritage of the USA, and make no apologizes for the past. To them I am probably the same as Ernst junger.
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TL;DR

I don't make exceptions or excuses for pieces of sh1t nor do I try to "soften" things as you are.
 
UCSMiami said:
As for the alt-right, well I do not approve of multi-culturalism at the expensive of being an American first. All them folks who came here in the immigration boom post-Civil War through the 1920s became as American as those who were here in the Revolution because they assimilated. Sure they kept some of the old folkways, language, food, customs, etc. Which is fine but multiculturalism as expressed today places being an American second and whatever they are first.
Like I always said when I was a kid I was considered an American, then later I was identified as a Hispanic, then-now a Latino. I just want to be an American.

No country survives being balkanized.

I think when so called liberals think in terms of white supremacists- they include folks who reject white guilt, white privilege, take pride in the heritage of the USA, and make no apologizes for the past. In other words, those of us who were considered normal mainstream folk in the 1970s-1990s.

To them I am probably the same as Ernst junger.
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Multiculturalism will never work as long as we are in a welfare state. Then the wrong cultures come in and tamper with our traditionalist culture bring us to where we are today. I'm sure Trumps presidency will create more Marxists which won't help.
 
ax1 said:
Whats sad is millions and millions of people appear to believe that and I dont see much of accountability and enough people from the other side stepping forward to settle the situation. Im afraid its going to get much worse soon and for all the wrong reasons and with the wrong solutions.

The plot will be to destroy Dump within the next 4 years. He better do a good job and win more support, Im giving him a chance.
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Considering Trump got 29% of the black vote, 25% or so of hispanics, and much of what libs decry as uneducated white folks. The problem is those "uneducated white" folks are many in the working middle class in middle america. Trump flipped 4 democrat strong hold states, and not by just a few votes.

Of course they are trying to destroy him before January, just like they've done since June of last year. The voters are tired of listening to all the bull**** and want results. And Clinton didn't work to persuade those voters that she has anybsolutions, because her agenda is no different than Obama's. The attacks didn't prevent him from winning the nomination. Then they didn't stop the voters from choosing him.
If Trump could have kept his mouth in check better, he would have gotten more votes. But none of that matters, since he's looking at 306 electoral votes. He won. Clinton GAVE UP and conceded, and lost her right to contest it.
 
Dan Rather said:
You’ve probably heard that a man who has significant ties to the alt-right is now part of Donald Trump’s White House. What you may not know is the so-called alt-right is a movement associated with explicit racism and white supremacy. I’m assuming if more people knew this it would certainly be part of a larger conversation today. That said, in my ongoing efforts to keep you as informed as I can about what’s really going on with the formation of a new administration, I think it is important for you to understand more about who exactly has been tapped to stand at Trump’s side. We’ve mentioned Steven Bannon in this space before. He was the head of Breitbart News before being asked by Trump to become the CEO of the campaign. Breitbart is known for its alt-right views. Believers are known to reject mainstream conservatism for more radical right-wing views, such as white identity being under attack by multiculturalism. Now, Bannon has been asked by the President-elect to be a senior advisor in the White House. Furthermore, during a deposition Bannon’s ex-wife alleged that he doesn't like Jews.

Jonathan A. Greenblatt, the CEO of the ADL - Anti-Defamation League, released a statement saying:

"It is a sad day when a man who presided over the premier website of the Alt Right, a loose-knit group of white nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racists - is slated to be a senior staff member in the People's House.”

Check out the article below by the folks from the Southern Poverty Law Center. They monitor hate groups and you’ll see how Bannon’s appointment is being celebrated by the far right.

https://www.splcenter.org/…/white-nationalists-rejoice-trum…

You may not find this surprising given the tenor of the presidential campaign, but the FBI has released a report on hate crimes in America, and the numbers are up. And that’s especially true for Anti-Muslim hate crimes, which is up 67%.

And here’s another number I find very disturbing. As of this morning, The Southern Poverty Law Center reports 315 incidents of hate directly related to the election. The SPLC characterizes it as election-related harassment and intimidation, but let there be no mistake, this is hate, plain and simple. So far, the majority of the incidents, which were gathered from news reports, social media and direct submissions to the SPLC, are targeted mostly at African Americans and immigrants. The number has not been verified yet by law enforcement.

Below is more from Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the SPLC, whom we spoke to for our documentary, “America Divided—The Rise of Trump Nation”. Much of this segment did not make the documentary but is certainly newsworthy today.
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UCSMiami said:
I hear about Soros, Soros, etc. Is he really behind this or is he a Keyser Sosek?

About Bannon can anyone find one piece he authored which is genuinely White Supremacist? not West Coast White Supremacist but you know considered so by level headed and mature folks?
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I loved that movie.
 
youngandfree said:
Considering Trump got 29% of the black vote, 25% or so of hispanics, and much of what libs decry as uneducated white folks. The problem is those "uneducated white" folks are many in the working middle class in middle america. Trump flipped 4 democrat strong hold states, and not by just a few votes.

Of course they are trying to destroy him before January, just like they've done since June of last year. The voters are tired of listening to all the bull**** and want results. And Clinton didn't work to persuade those voters that she has anybsolutions, because her agenda is no different than Obama's. The attacks didn't prevent him from winning the nomination. Then they didn't stop the voters from choosing him.
If Trump could have kept his mouth in check better, he would have gotten more votes. But none of that matters, since he's looking at 306 electoral votes. He won. Clinton GAVE UP and conceded, and lost her right to contest it.
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No one cares about the liberal protest except the ones signing up through craigslist to get paid or a ticket to vandalize and steal crap. Or even better both.
 
Misfit28 said:
This is a good read:

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The most important thing in a functional society is a well-informed public. What we have now is not only uninformed but misinformed masses. How do we combat this problem? Trust Huffington post!!! RRRRROOOOOOFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Misfit28 said:
You need to read the article I just posted ;)
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While I agree there is alot of misinformation online, the biggest source of misinformation is mainstream media.\

Put a trusty looking dude in a suite and have him tell people at home what the truth is, off the CIA telepromter!!!

The most dangerous media is mainstream media, not social media.

And Ill tell you, whatever alt-news is I havent looked into them, but its the mainstream media that has supported and propped up the global take over, all the wars both internationally and domestically, and has contributed to global genocide. Not sticking up for "alt-news" group at this point but there is alot of hypocrisy out there. Just look at that disgusting government attack dog Media Matters backed by the that terrorist George Soros and the Whitehouse where was Dan Rather back then calling this out?
 
ax1 said:
The most important thing in a functional society is a well-informed public. What we have now is not only uninformed but misinformed masses. How do we combat this problem? Trust Huffington post!!! RRRRROOOOOOFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Go put your tin foil hat back on :)

At least I'm posting things that are true besides nutjob conspiracy theory sh1t from Alex Jones or Das Führer Steve Bannon.
 
Misfit28 said:
Go put your tin foil hat back on :)

At least I'm posting things that are true besides nutjob conspiracy theory sh1t from Alex Jones or Das Führer Steve Bannon.
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Well there you go that post tells alot about you, your the holder of "truth" ....HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
 
ax1 said:
While I agree there is alot of misinformation online, the biggest source of information is mainstream media.\

Put a trusty looking dude in a suite and have him tell people at home what the truth is, off the CIA telepromter!!!

The most dangerous media is mainstream media, not social media.

And Ill tell you, whatever alt-news is I havent looked into them, but its the mainstream media that has supported and propped up the global take over, all the wars both internationally and domestically, and has contributed to global genocide. Not sticking up for "alt-news" group at this point but there is alot of hypocrisy out there. Just look at that disgusting Media Matters backed by the that terrorist George Soros and the Whitehouse, where was Dan Rather back then calling this out?
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It's funny that youngandfree liked this post. I think he might be an alt-right person.

Don't you see that the conspiracy sites are just as bad, if not worse, than mainstream media? For fuçks sake, most of the people writing these "alternative news sites" don't even have any training in journalism or how to properly source information.
 
Misfit28 said:
It's funny that youngandfree liked this post. I think he might be an alt-right person.

Don't you see that the conspiracy sites are just as bad, if not worse, than mainstream media? For fuçks sake, most of the people writing these "alternative news sites" don't even have any training in journalism or how to properly source information.
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You are the intellectual savior of the masses Misfit, just like all the other elitist liberal think tanks out there....everyone else is just brainwashed by Alex and Twitter!!!

Please tell me where I can find the truth!?!?!!!!
 
Misfit28 said:
Go put your tin foil hat back on :)

At least I'm posting things that are true besides nutjob conspiracy theory sh1t from Alex Jones or Das Führer Steve Bannon.
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Huff post is considered left orientated moreso than Fox is conservative orientated. Not as far out as other sites but still quite biased. As for the alt-right, the more I read the more it appears to be a site which criticizes much of what us middle of the road folk find abhorrent about the so called liberal left-SJW fascists, feminizing males, PC, snowflake type of adult coddling, etc. As said earlier, derogatory comments have from the Left have truly lost their meaning. After being called a racist for the past few years because the definition of what a racist is has widened its envelope, the same applies to being termed a white supremacist.

Amazing how ancient folk tales are still applicable. reminds me of the boy who cried wolf. Now it is the liberal who cried white supremacist. no one will believe it now when an incident actually occurs.

Have a very liberal colleague in SF. We are actually good friends although political perceptions divided us. She brought up the increase in bigoted attacks. I pressed for specific example. There was the case of a middle school boy who grabbed a girl's vagina in class claiming DT said it was ok. I said that is an example off poor parenting not something due to Trump. Asked for more examples. Could not get any except the tag line.

That is how it is.

Someone should write a book on propaganda and the creation of myths which settle in people's minds as facts in social movements. Reminds me of that famous line from the film The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance- when the legend become fact, print the legend.
 
ax1 said:
Well there you go that post tells alot about you, your the holder of "truth" ....HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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Really? How is that article biased?

It's just telling people to check the facts before you share stuff.

There is misinformation on both sides.

Sometimes you're just simply obtuse.
 
UCSMiami said:
Huff post is considered left orientated moreso than Fox is conservative orientated. Not as far out as other sites but still quite biased. As for the alt-right, the more I read the more it appears to be a site which criticizes much of what us middle of the road folk find abhorrent about the so called liberal left-SJW fascists, feminizing males, PC, snowflake type of adult coddling, etc. As said earlier, derogatory comments have from the Left have truly lost their meaning. After being called a racist for the past few years because the definition of what a racist is has widened its envelope, the same applies to being termed a white supremacist.

Amazing how ancient folk tales are still applicable. reminds me of the folk talk of the boy who cried wolf. Now it is the liberal who cried white supremacist. no one will believe it now when an incident actually occurs.

Have a very liberal colleague in SF. We are actually good friends although political perceptions divided us. She brought up the increase in bigoted attacks. I pressed for specific example. There was the case of a middle school boy who grabbed a girl's vagina in class claiming DT said it was ok. I said that is an example off poor parenting not something due to Trump. Asked for more examples. Could not get any except the tag line.

That is how it is.

Someone should write a book on propaganda and the creation of myths which settle in people's minds as facts in social movements. Reminds me of that famous line from the film The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance- when the legend become fact, print the legend.
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True. That article (if anyone would actually READ it) is different.

Btw, Breitbart was actually established by appealing to white nationalism.
 
Misfit28 said:
Really? How is that article biased?

It's just telling people to check the facts before you share stuff.

There is misinformation on both sides.

Sometimes you're just simply obtuse.
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Both sides? WTF is that?
 
Misfit28 said:
True. That article (if anyone would actually READ it) is different.

Btw, Breitbart was actually established by appealing to white nationalism.
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The issue is one of time investment vs. other options. Once a source is tainted then the road back to credible status is a long one. I used to be a CNN junkie but no more as their agenda has diverted from what should be independent reporting. I can handle an orientation this or that way but come one do not try to BS me. Hence my dislike of most sources of information.

Never visited breitbart.com until the last day or so due Bannon's proposed status at the white house.

Following Internet new sources is like googling for a medical condition you think you have based on symptoms- you will end up thinking you are terminally ill. Just wait until you see a Dr. before trying to self diagnose.
 
UCSMiami said:
The issue is one of time investment vs. other options. Once a source is tainted then the road back to credible status is a long one. I used to be a CNN junkie but no more as their agenda has diverted from what should be independent reporting. I can handle an orientation this or that way but come one do not try to BS me. Hence my dislike of most sources of information.

Never visited breitbart.com until the last day or so due Bannon's proposed status at the white house.

Following Internet new sources is like googling for a medical condition you think you have based on symptoms- you will end up thinking you are terminally ill. Just wait until you see a Dr. before trying to self diagnose.
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So where do you information wizards get your information?
 
UCSMiami said:
The issue is one of time investment vs. other options. Once a source is tainted then the road back to credible status is a long one. I used to be a CNN junkie but no more as their agenda has diverted from what should be independent reporting. I can handle an orientation this or that way but come one do not try to BS me. Hence my dislike of most sources of information.

Never visited breitbart.com until the last day or so due Bannon's proposed status at the white house.

Following Internet new sources is like googling for a medical condition you think you have based on symptoms- you will end up thinking you are terminally ill. Just wait until you see a Dr. before trying to self diagnose.
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Keep in mind, and Im not going to re-post the documents again but the CIA by law can infiltrate all the mainstream media (TV and newspapers) and collude their propaganda on those teleprompters to brainwash the general public.
 
Misfit28 said:
True. That article (if anyone would actually READ it) is different.

Btw, Breitbart was actually established by appealing to white nationalism.
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Here is the thing, if they appealed to black nationalism would you be here posting anything about it? NNOOO!
 
Misfit28 said:
So where do you information wizards get your information?
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Who said I was an information wizard? I did not know about Bannon, Alt-right, breirbart or whatever it is called, skeptical about Soros,etc.

when interested I look into the topic from different viewpoints. Otherwise I can tell from what is being presented if it is BS- as in the comments presented favorably the past few years about BLM, SJW topics, anti-USA heritage comments, the word game off calling illegals undocumented etc. Great example of the free education proponents because it certainly will not be free and the reasoning behind is faulty when using actual practical experience.

The main difference between me and the fanatics on the right or left is I do not care if we disagree. It is good to have diversity of thought and lately as with the Left not have an irrational tantrum when questioned.

Want an example of recent biased reporting: You see it in the news that those of us who voted for trump are uneducated or worse Heard it on NPR last week. I know they lean left and adjust my interpretation but they went far left last week due to their shock at the election.


But hey, I am an old and said by some to be a wise man. I have read for decades on history and politics. Own, read over 2500 books. Did not pop out of the bottle all wise at 18. More importantly as said, raised by that WW2 gen when love of country was normal, not over the top look at me patriots as in post-911 flag waving, but that inner confidence at being an American. Cooperative efforts by individuals rather than a socialist collective as espoused by so called Liberals
 
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