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David Dunn said:
You'd be surprised how easily this could happen by well armed and trained American citizens. BTW there are many past and preset member of our armed forces that would be happy to participate in taking her into custody.
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It's probably one of the main reasons why the federal government labels returning vets as potential terrorists, yet some people think we should trust the Alqueda/Isis funding Federal Government to protect us ROFL!!!!
 
ax1 said:
Just two years ago over abusing government land grabs out west, and the armed militia/ranchers won that battle agaisnt the federal government.

Nobody is scared of nothing here, you are taking it way out of proportion. Its about being a grown up, being smart and taking responsibility for self governance and protecting the future of this nation. You may feel free from oppression at the moment but you have no idea what tomorrow holds for you and your people are completely unprepared for when that moment comes.

Oh, and who do you think is doing a better job protecting our borders? Sure in hell isnt "stand down order" government, its our own people, our own self armed people and militias of America protecting us from terrorists, not the government who you think should protect us that has instead been arming and financing terrorists for years.

Freedom needs to constantly be well guarded and well protected by the people, or its a matter of time freedoms incrementally are wiped away just as we see it here today. This is the foundation of the country and the basic principles of our democracy.

When people become naive its a matter of time they become minions and slaves of the state, or some other state.

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LOL

Men on horses? Do you really think the US govt fears that? Cmon man. If they wanted, they could have droned all of them.

On that story,
Bundy declined to renew his permit for cattle grazing on BLM-administered lands near Bunkerville, Nevada. According to the BLM, Bundy continued to graze his cattle on public lands without a permit. In 1998, Bundy was prohibited by the United States District Court for the District of Nevada from grazing his cattle on an area of land later called the Bunkerville Allotment. In July 2013, the BLM complaint was supplemented when federal judge Lloyd D. George ordered that Bundy refrain from trespassing on federally administered land in the Gold Butte area of Clark County.
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And Further

Bundy has said he does not recognize federal police power over land that he believes belongs to the "sovereign state of Nevada".[15][16] He also denied the jurisdiction of the federal court system over Nevada land and he filed an unsuccessful motion to dismiss the Bureau of Land Management case against him, claiming that the federal courts have no jurisdiction because he is a "citizen of Nevada, not the territory of Nevada".[16] Bundy also claimed that federally owned land in Nevada actually belongs to the state.[17][18]
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So he was actually trespassing on federal land and his rational was "I dont believe in FED law". Ok mate.

Outcome?

On February 10, 2016, Cliven Bundy traveled to Portland, Oregon, in response to federal law enforcement moving to end a standoff led by his sons Ammon and Ryan at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. He was arrested at the airport by the FBI, and was incarcerated at the Multnomah County Jail. He was indicted for 16 federal felonies on February 17, along with Ammon and Ryan Bundy, militia leader Ryan Payne and broadcaster Peter Santilli, who were already under arrest and facing charges for their role in the Malheur standoff. Another 14 individuals were charged on March 3, 2016, 12 of whom were arrested with the remaining two already in custody in Oregon concerning the Malheur standoff. Their trials are scheduled for 2017.
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The FEDs won in the end LOL

They simply backed down because they arnt looking for conflict, but if they wanted an all out outrage, they could have annihilated them all. This isn't the kind of example I was looking for. I meant to protect against Govt. attacking it's citizens without due cause; not some cattle ranchers forming an alliance because of a land dispute in which someone was using illegally.

Which terrorists have the militia stopped?
 
My daughters mother in law is in the highest security ranking civil position at Fort Bragg and knows first hand the security compromises and risk to life Hillary has cause to our enlisted men and woman. She knows first hand the casualties of her carelessness. She knows personally and works directly for the highest ranking generals in the US Army. Military men and woman from the lowest to highest ranks hate the woman and the politics and corruption that protect enable her and her boss to do what they do.

Treason is treason and the consequences should be the same for all who commit it.
 
Jiigzz said:
The FEDs won in the end LOL
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Its a long story and we can go on and on with this there is alot of misinformation, propagandha but I have no time for this.You are right, the FED's did win in the end for various political reasons and this is nothing to be happy and cheerful about, its a catastrophe to our freedom and democracy for big corporate run government out in the west pillaging on the rights of the people. An example why the public needs to be armed to the teeth as well as more organized, trained, vigilant and stronger than ever before its too late as government is swallowing the country and taking it away from us.

If anybody won it was corrupt Senator Harry Reid looking after his sons solar contracting connections.
 
David Dunn said:
My daughters mother in law is in the highest security ranking civil position at Fort Bragg and knows first hand the security compromises and risk to life Hillary has cause to our enlisted men and woman. She knows first hand the casualties of her carelessness. She knows personally and works directly for the highest ranking generals in the US Army. Military men and woman from the lowest to highest ranks hate the woman and the politics and corruption that protect enable her and her boss to do what they do.

Treason is treason and the consequences should be the same for all who commit it.
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That women deserves to live in Gitmo...I call her terrorist #2 slightly behind Barry Soetoro atm.
 
Jiigzz said:
Which terrorists have the militia stopped?
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You really dont know whats going on down south by the borders. Anyways, next they can start by giving a citizens arrest to Obama and Hitlery and putting them through due process and fair trial for treason and humanitarian crimes along with creating and financing terrorist groups around the globe.
 
Jiigzz said:
They simply backed down because they arnt looking for conflict,
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And thats what is all comes down too...have 100,000,000 million armed and trained citizens you BET they wont be looking for a conflict with we the people.

They will be doing their job for a change instead of abusing their powers.
 
ax1 said:
Its a long story and we can go on and on with this there is alot of misinformation, propagandha but I have no time for this.You are right, the FED's did win in the end for various political reasons and this is nothing to be happy and cheerful about, its a catastrophe to our freedom and democracy for big corporate run government out in the west pillaging on the rights of the people. An example why the public needs to be armed to the teeth as well as more organized, trained, vigilant and stronger than ever before its too late as government is swallowing the country and taking it away from us.

If anybody won it was corrupt Senator Harry Reid looking after his sons solar contracting connections.
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I didn't mean to bring the issue of why they stood their ground into the equation because I know nothing about it. My main point was that these guys are on horseback with guns, but would not match up well against the might of the military. And I don't just mean the men and women of the military, but I mean the technological side which can be controlled from a very distant joystick. Whatever your reasons for having guns, I don't think to stand up to the govt is a valid reason.

Bear in mind my stance on gun control is based on how I have it here, but yours is also a historical one and gun culture is very much a part of the US. I can see why it would be seen as infringing on your rights being a responsible gun owner.

FWIW, I enjoy your commentary. I'm just not HUGE into conspiracy and things, but I still enjoy reading other viewpoints.

ax1 said:
You really dont know whats going on down south by the borders. Anyways, next they can start by giving a citizens arrest to Obama and Hitlery and putting them through due process and fair trial for treason and humanitarian crimes along with creating and financing terrorist groups around the globe.
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I wouldn't disagree with that.
 
Jiigzz said:
I don't think to stand up to the govt is a valid reason.

Bear in mind my stance on gun control is based on how I have it here, but yours is also a historical one and gun culture is very much a part of the US. I can see why it would be seen as infringing on your rights being a responsible gun owner.

FWIW, I enjoy your commentary. I'm just not HUGE into conspiracy and things, but I still enjoy reading other viewpoints.



I wouldn't disagree with that.
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Of course your comftable where you are, and its easy to talk from a position of comfort. Remember, our government took out 3,000 of our own people in a single day in our recent history, yours didnt. We are already at a disadvantage, and we wouldnt want to further increase that disadvantage.

Anyways, I dont mean to sound like a broken record but I have to say this again....... To me restoration of this country happens with the info war and at the voting booth from the local level to the top. The liberty movement is a peaceful movement, its what I support and its growing in our country. Thats what I stand for. Dont want war and pain.

But yeah, your welcome to disagree with me, your a good intended person which matters most to me when judging people.
 
Pence is certainly a good match for Trump when it comes to hateful speech.

Mike Pence Wrote An Article Urging Employers Not to Hire Gay People

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Jiigzz said:
I didn't mean to bring the issue of why they stood their ground into the equation because I know nothing about it. My main point was that these guys are on horseback with guns, but would not match up well against the might of the military. And I don't just mean the men and women of the military, but I mean the technological side which can be controlled from a very distant joystick. Whatever your reasons for having guns, I don't think to stand up to the govt is a valid reason.

Bear in mind my stance on gun control is based on how I have it here, but yours is also a historical one and gun culture is very much a part of the US. I can see why it would be seen as infringing on your rights being a responsible gun owner.

FWIW, I enjoy your commentary. I'm just not HUGE into conspiracy and things, but I still enjoy reading other viewpoints.



I wouldn't disagree with that.
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Your biggest misunderstanding is the military can't be deployed on American soil, and the national guard units in each state dont, or shouldn't have, weaponized drones. So the feds won't unleash the military on its citizens unless it turns into a dictstorship.
 
Jiigzz said:
Not at all. But I have never experienced such a great level of mistrust in someones own govt before that they feel the need to carry weapons to protect themselves from them. To me that is living in fear, not living with freedom. When was the last time civvys needed guns to stand up to the govt?

You think freedom is being able to do what you like, but freedom means living without fear of oppression which clearly you guys don't have ITT. I don't carry a gun, but I feel free from oppression. I prefer that.

But at least now I understand a bit more. Maybe your govt has failed you one time to many which is sad.
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So you never heard about any middle eastern country or russia or china or etc. Lots of people want weapons to protect from their own government.
 
youngandfree said:
Your biggest misunderstanding is the military can't be deployed on American soil, and the national guard units in each state dont, or shouldn't have, weaponized drones. So the feds won't unleash the military on its citizens unless it turns into a dictstorship.
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But that's exactly what would happen if the govt tried to take control. They wont do it as a republic, they would turn it into a dictatorship. Im sure they wouldn't follow the rules if they wanted warfare with its citizens
 
rtmilburn said:
So you never heard about any middle eastern country or russia or china or etc. Lots of people want weapons to protect from their own government.
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Communist govts vs Republic govt

But in other countries with diplomatic style, not so much.
 
Jiigzz said:
But that's exactly what would happen if the govt tried to take control. They wont do it as a republic, they would turn it into a dictatorship. Im sure they wouldn't follow the rules if they wanted warfare with its citizens
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The truth is that here in America all they have to do is declare a state of emergency and emergency powers override and suspend all Constitutional law, state governors lose their power spread across 10 regions each controlled from a Fusion Center each with a hand picked Governor and if they want the military to flood the streets they will give the order to do so. Ill keep it short at that, must get some sleep now...but this country is already set up as a dictatorship (as a need to need basis, and on standby,) especially the past 8 years under Barry Soetoro and most of the sell out lying hacks of the Republican and Democratic parties.
 
youngandfree said:
Your biggest misunderstanding is the military can't be deployed on American soil, and the national guard units in each state dont, or shouldn't have, weaponized drones. So the feds won't unleash the military on its citizens unless it turns into a dictstorship.
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By law thanks to Barry the military already can kick your door down, dwell in your quarters, steal all your natural resources (water, garden, farm, etc....and force you and your entire family into labor under executive order National Defense Resources Preparedness Act.
 
youngandfree said:
How many times is Hilary on record opposing gay marriage, before changing her stance? Many
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You are absolutely correct on that. She had a complete and total flip on that issue.

However, she didn't go to the level of gay bashing that Pence has over the years....

On another note, old Trump is sure starting to act like a "typical politician". Kinda ironic if you ask me :D
 
youngandfree said:
How many times is Hilary on record opposing gay marriage, before changing her stance? Many
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But an article asking employers not to hire gay people is extremely hateful. I wouldn't necessarily say being against gay marriage is hateful though, but trying to deny people a means of living certainly is. It's essentially punishment.
 
I had enough of Gary Johnson. He is a phony libertarian and his VP pick is a gun grabber.

After last night's town hall flipping out at someone just for using the term "illegal immigrants" this dude is one creepy character.

The Libertarian party doesnt even exist anymore, its dead.
 
The U.S. needs to build a wall (physical barriers) on the Mexican border to stop illegal immigration while simultaneously deporting criminal illegals, Hillary Clinton said in 2006.

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ax1 said:
The U.S. needs to build a wall (physical barriers) on the Mexican border to stop illegal immigration while simultaneously deporting criminal illegals, Hillary Clinton said in 2006.

Skip to the 2:15 mark

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She says "if necessary, in some places", which seems quite different than what Trump is proposing. Oh, that and the part where he says Mexico is going to pay for it, when the Mexican president has said the contrary.

Not defending her, just saying that what she says and what Trump is still saying are quite different, IMO.

I still don't like her, LOL.
 
This is interesting. Conservatives hate Saul Alinsky so much, but it seems Trump may be using his techniques.....

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Maybe he's never even read "Rules for Radicals", but these tactics seem eerily familiar.
 
Misfit28 said:
She says "if necessary, in some places", which seems quite different than what Trump is proposing. Oh, that and the part where he says Mexico is going to pay for it, when the Mexican president has said the contrary.

Not defending her, just saying that what she says and what Trump is still saying are quite different, IMO.

I still don't like her, LOL.
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People rightly fear what Trump says. He has no diplomacy or filter. On the contrary it's what she doesn't say that is what's to be feared. Even what she says she she says out both sides of her face.
 
Misfit28 said:
She says "if necessary, in some places", which seems quite different than what Trump is proposing. Oh, that and the part where he says Mexico is going to pay for it, when the Mexican president has said the contrary.

Not defending her, just saying that what she says and what Trump is still saying are quite different, IMO.

I still don't like her, LOL.
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WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!! RRRAARRRWWWW!!!
 
Interesting. Melania never had her promised press conference explaining her immigration status.

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ax1 said:
Im telling you its FAR worse than you currently still think!
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The truth, when you finally chase it down, is almost always far worse than your darkest visions and fears. - Hunter S. Thompson

:shrug:
 
Misfit28 said:
Interesting. Melania never had her promised press conference explaining her immigration status.

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She better be first in line when they throw all those illegals back on the boat, lol
 
So Hilary's server didn't get wiped until 3 weeks after the NYT reported that it existed. And Hilary can't seem to remember anything she ever did during interview with FBI.

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For you George Soros fans, what do you think about him funding liberal local district attorney elections? In the past, it was discovered he was also funding races for the individual secretaries of state, which oversea each state's election process. Remember the mysterious votes that kept being found in Minnesota to get nut job Franken elected? The secrets of state has final say over each state's elections.
 
Misfit28 said:
Interesting. Melania never had her promised press conference explaining her immigration status.

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Boy, I hope this disqualifies her for president. Oh wait...

Let's talk about candidate spouses shall we? How many sexual assaults has Melania been accused of?
 
AE14 said:
Boy, I hope this disqualifies her for president. Oh wait...

Let's talk about candidate spouses shall we? How many sexual assaults has Melania been accused of?
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The point is the hard on that Trump has about illegal immigration.

Trump himself was actually accused of sexual assault if I recall correctly :)
 
And it takes zero proof to make an accusation, so I don't see how that can be used against either side. I don't know many that get to that level without some form of accusation.
 
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