Donald Trump running for president

[ax1]

Newt Gingrich: 'Normal, white Americans ... don't understand being black in America'

Very shocked but impressed this is coming from Newt Gingrich!

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Race baiter.

 

[ax1]

I am enjoying living in my islamic terrorist president restricted environment now

**fixed**

 

[thebigt]

Race baiter.

at least he didn't go as far as Bernie...Bernie actually said that whites don't know what it's like to be poor, lol....geez, ALL politicians are stupid!!!

 

[ax1]

at least he didn't go as far as Bernie...Bernie actually said that whites don't know what it's like to be poor, lol....geez, ALL politicians are stupid!!!

He is out of touch with reality.

 

[smith_69]

Things are getting out of hand all over

you referring to this thread right lmao jk

 

[thebigt]

He is out of touch with reality.

all politicians are out of touch with the reality of the common man, but that was a uncommonly stupid thing to say I agree, lol.

 

[youngandfree]

I am enjoying living in my gun restricted environment now

The Frenchies probably were too, how did that turn out.

 

[ax1]

The Frenchies probably were too, how did that turn out.

Those terrorists in France had Fast and Furious weapons from Obama's and Eric Holder's gun smuggling operation to Mexico. And people want me to beg these people take all our guns? lol

 

[Jiigzz]

The Frenchies probably were too, how did that turn out.

You have liberal gun laws and yet a boston marathon bombing, orlando shooting, cops being shot and killed and hundreds of mass shootings.. hows that working out?

Very well by the looks.

Very very well.

Edit: inb4 but those were in gun controlled environments

 

[ax1]

You have liberal gun laws and yet a boston marathon bombing, orlando shooting, cops being shot and killed and hundreds of mass shootings.. hows that working out?

Very well by the looks.

Very very well.

Edit: inb4 but those were in gun controlled environments

Usually these mass shootings are at extreme hardcore gun free zones, not "liberal gun" places.

 

[ax1]

Usually these mass shootings are at extreme hardcore gun free zones, not "liberal gun" places.

For example this is the state law in orlando where the shooting took place

Section (12)(a) tells concealed carry license holders that “A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into: Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.”

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[ax1]

For example this is the state law in orlando where the shooting took place

Section (12)(a) tells concealed carry license holders that “A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into: Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.”

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And just as I thought, the political rally in Texas was a gun free zone by law.

(6) regulate the carrying of a firearm or air gun by a person other than a person licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, at a:

(A) public park;

(B) public meeting of a municipality, county, or other governmental body;

(C) political rally, parade, or official political meeting; or

(D) nonfirearms-related school, college, or professional athletic event;

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[Jiigzz]

Usually these mass shootings are at extreme hardcore gun free zones, not "liberal gun" places.

Yup, because no doubt your commando nation would have stopped it.

But inb4 they would have just made bombs or gone on mass stabbings instead.

New zealand: any shooting makes mass media because it is so tabboo. I like feeling safe

 

[Jiigzz]

And just as I thought, the political rally in Texas was a gun free zone by law.

(6) regulate the carrying of a firearm or air gun by a person other than a person licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, at a:

(A) public park;

(B) public meeting of a municipality, county, or other governmental body;

(C) political rally, parade, or official political meeting; or

(D) nonfirearms-related school, college, or professional athletic event;

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But police are armed... erm. Yeah.

Sniper shooting could have been prevented by some dude on the street.

New Zealand days since last mass shooting: 1500

US days since last shooting: 0

But its not the guns bro

 

[ax1]

Yup, because no doubt your commando nation would have stopped it.

But inb4 they would have just made bombs or gone on mass stabbings instead.

New zealand: any shooting makes mass media because it is so tabboo. I like feeling safe

NZ is a puny population of 4.5 million with no borders. America is 300+ million with open borders, criminals pouring in through Mexico, Government openly funding terrorist groups, fueling racial division, smuggling guns, running cocain/heroin drug rings, war on drugs with loads of gangs, etc......

I wish NZ the best, but NZ is not the USA.

 

[thebigt]

Those terrorists in France had Fast and Furious weapons from Obama's and Eric Holder's gun smuggling operation to Mexico. And people want me to beg these people take all our guns? lol

there are an estimated 875 million guns in circulation worldwide...only 79 million are actually registered with authorities-- with 270 million estimated guns in the united states....so, out of 875 million guns, only 79 million are registered. that is a hell of a lot of guns unaccounted for....that means that in the united states alone there are probably over 200 million unregistered firearms!!!


the united states is #1 in firearms per 100 persons with an estimated 89 people out of a hundred owning a firearm.
#2 is yemen with 55 per hundred
#3 is Switzerland with 46 per hundred...I have to admit I was surprised to see Switzerland so high on the list.


lol...if they banned gun sales altogether tomorrow there would still be plenty of guns to go around.....the genie is out of the bottle, good luck getting it back in that bottle!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

NZ is a puny population with no borders. America is 300+ million with open borders, criminals pouring in through Mexico, Government openly funding terrorist groups, fueling racial division, smuggling guns, running cocain/heroin drug rings, etc......

I wish NZ the best, but NZ is the the USA.

Yes its only the mexicans shooting US residents! We must rise!

We need guns to stop cocaine smuggling! Even though im not around that, I need my gun just in case!

 

[ax1]

But police are armed... erm. Yeah.

Sniper shooting could have been prevented by some dude on the street.

New Zealand days since last mass shooting: 1500

US days since last shooting: 0

But its not the guns bro

Our government, George Soros, Obama and other special interests are fueling and financing these race wars and so called "black lives matters" movements since the days of Cointelpro.

Cops couldnt stop Bush's 9/11 inside job, but thats the world we live in.

 

[ax1]

Yes its only the mexicans shooting US residents! We must rise!

We need guns to stop cocaine smuggling! Even though im not around that, I need my gun just in case!

Well, we just need to end the war on drugs and treat it only as a medical condition, but then our CIA would have massive layoffs.

 

[ax1]

the united states is #1 in firearms per 100 persons with an estimated 89 people out of a hundred owning a firearm.
#2 is yemen with 55 per hundred
#3 is Switzerland with 46 per hundred...I have to admit I was surprised to see Switzerland so high on the list.

Switzerland learned from history and WWII, they are smart and jacked to the teeth. They have public local gun/arms depots which a village trustee has the keys too and these depots are loaded with all kinds of goodies, explosives, automatic weapons, etc.......

An armed country is for the best interest of the security of the nation and its people.

 

[youngandfree]

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Another racist black man shooting innocent white people.

 

[thebigt]

Switzerland learned from history and WWII, they are smart and jacked to the teeth. They have public local gun/arms depots which a village trustee has the keys too and these depots are loaded with all kinds of goodies, explosives, automatic weapons, etc.......

An armed country is for the best interest of the security of the nation and its people.

lol...no wonder the pope has swiss guards!!!

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

But police are armed... erm. Yeah.

Sniper shooting could have been prevented by some dude on the street.

New Zealand days since last mass shooting: 1500

US days since last shooting: 0

But its not the guns bro

But muh gun!

Who here thinks we have the best military in the world but thinks that owning an AR 15 will somehow stop a tyrannical government?

 

[bighulksmash]

But muh gun!

Who here thinks we have the best military in the world but thinks that owning an AR 15 will somehow stop a tyrannical government?

I think shıt happens and the lack of respect and communication is to blame. There werr plenty of shootings with illegal weapons as well.

 

[ax1]

But muh gun!

Who here thinks we have the best military in the world but thinks that owning an AR 15 will somehow stop a tyrannical government?

Who said the military would side with the government and not with the people?

 

[cubsfan815]

Oath Keepers!

 

[Jiigzz]

there are an estimated 875 million guns in circulation worldwide...only 79 million are actually registered with authorities-- with 270 million estimated guns in the united states....so, out of 875 million guns, only 79 million are registered. that is a hell of a lot of guns unaccounted for....that means that in the united states alone there are probably over 200 million unregistered firearms!!!


the united states is #1 in firearms per 100 persons with an estimated 89 people out of a hundred owning a firearm.
#2 is yemen with 55 per hundred
#3 is Switzerland with 46 per hundred...I have to admit I was surprised to see Switzerland so high on the list.


lol...if they banned gun sales altogether tomorrow there would still be plenty of guns to go around.....the genie is out of the bottle, good luck getting it back in that bottle!!!

Exactly!

Based on this rational I agree, absolutely. The problem is that it has been allowed to get to this point. Australia repealed it's gun laws with amazing results:

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia. The country’s new gun laws prohibited private sales, required that all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count.) In the wake of the tragedy, polls showed public support for these measures at upwards of 90 percent.

What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But as the Washington Post’s Wonkblog pointed out in August, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent. Studies found a close correlation between the sharp declines and the gun buybacks. Robberies involving a firearm also dropped significantly. Meanwhile, home invasions did not increase, contrary to fears that firearm ownership is needed to deter such crimes. But here’s the most stunning statistic. In the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in the country. There hasn’t been a single one in Australia since.

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Perhaps you have every intention of using your weapons for self defense, and that is good. But another person who has just as much ability to access a firearm as you do, intends to cause a massive amount of harm with the same weapon.

It is the nature of the beast.

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

Who said the military would side with the government and not with the people?

You're saying that as if they would need to put boots on the ground, if the gov goes tyrannical, with the technology that our government has currently, we wouldn't even know we were being attacked.

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

Oath Keepers!

Lolol you mean like the Oregon Militia and Pete Santilli? Those guys are a joke

 

[ax1]

Its easy to get amazing results in a nation of 4.5 million people and no borders. Now, you are more venerable than ever though if there is a war unfortunately.

 

[cubsfan815]

Lolol you mean like the Oregon Militia and Pete Santilli? Those guys are a joke

No, I mean the group of active and non active military.

 

[Jiigzz]

Switzerland learned from history and WWII, they are smart and jacked to the teeth. They have public local gun/arms depots which a village trustee has the keys too and these depots are loaded with all kinds of goodies, explosives, automatic weapons, etc.......

An armed country is for the best interest of the security of the nation and its people.

Yes, but these cannot be accessed every day, for any reason. Entirely different to the US's situation. Also reads below for the intricacies of their gun ownership and usuage - including carrying weapons in switzerland.

It's funny how many US people cite switzerlands gun laws as justification for their own, even when the laws are completely different. Also note that many Swiss males have military training - how many US citizens are required to do the same? Also note, you can only be a part of the militia if you have had basic military training. Again, hw many US gun owners are required to do the same?

Current research from 2014 estimates gun ownership rate around 25%, which is lower than most surrounding countries.[2] Since 2008, Switzerland has complied with European Union gun control requirements.[3] Automatic weapons are banned. In recent times political opposition parties and others have expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations, in response to a recent series of shootings involving army weapons.[4] A referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.[5][6]

Acquisition[edit]

Buying guns[edit]

In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 8 WG). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania (Art. 12, WV). The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:
valid official identification or passport copy
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months

For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (Art. 11 WG):
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component
Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer;
Type and number of official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component
and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (Art. 9 WG).

Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG):
Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle
By the Federal Council designated hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland
Single-shot rabbit slayer;
Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or may be confused because of their appearance with real firearms

Buying Ammunition[edit]





Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Soldiers equipped with the Sig 550 assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed can, to be opened only upon alert and for use while en route to join their unit. This practice was stopped in 2007.[11]
In order to purchase ammunition the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply to buying guns. The buyer can only buy munition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (Art. 15, 16 WG; Art 24 WV):[9][10]
valid official identification or passport (and must be older than 18 and who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and must not be a citizen of the following countries (Art. 12 WV): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania)
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months
weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years

This also applies for weapons which do not require a weapon acquisition permit (see above, excluding the weapon acquisition permit, of course).

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holder is registered.

The same applies to black powder and modern black powder substitutes for use in firing historical rifles.





A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
The possession of the following munition is generally prohibited:
Ammunition with armor-piercing bullets
Ammunition with projectiles containing an explosive or incendiary device
Ammunition with one or more floors to the release of substances which damage the health of people in the long run
Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive
Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks
Ammunition for handguns with deformation effect

Carrying guns[edit]

To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[9] It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.[12] The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective.

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

No, I mean the group of active and non active military.

Oh okay, thought you meant those guys. Current or vet aint a joke

 

[Gutterpump]

criminals pouring in through Mexico

Ahh so it's the Mexican's faults for all our mass shootings and gun violence.
If only we built a wall, it will end these mass shootings!!! Better stop them Mexercans!

 

[Gutterpump]

Who said the military would side with the government and not with the people?

Government pays their salaries. It's a job, like any other.

 

[Gutterpump]

Its easy to get amazing results in a nation of 4.5 million people and no borders. Now, you are more venerable than ever though if there is a war unfortunately.

GUN LAWS ONLY WORK IN SMALL NATIONS PEOPLE!! WE ARE THE WILD WEST, WE NEED OUR GUNS!!!! BECAUSE WE ARE BIG!!!!! WE ARE AMMMEEEEERIICCCCUUUUHHH

Oh, and yup NZ is very vulnerable during a war because the citizens don't have guns....... this makes sense. Guess what, those same citizens can enlist in the army during a war.

 

[ax1]

Ahh so it's the Mexican's faults for all our mass shootings and gun violence.
If only we built a wall, it will end these mass shootings!!! Better stop them Mexercans!

As in criminals....not necessarily gun related. Guns are a deterrent to day to day crimes, and having masses of undocumented illegals pouring in is a bad thing.

 

[Gutterpump]

As in criminals....not necessarily gun related. Guns are a deterrent to day to day crimes, and having masses of undocumented illegals pouring in is a bad thing.

You guys were specifically debating NZ vs US gun laws and mass shootings

 

[ax1]

Government pays their salaries. It's a job, like any other.

Our military has a large group of awake people. It's no secret when they come home from war they are labeled as a potential terrorist by DHS. Our military has been purged by Obama unlike any other time in our history.

That being said, our police has a large group of awake people to but they aren't so vocal as of yet.

 

[ax1]

You guys were specifically debating NZ vs US gun laws and mass shootings

Part of my debate is our advantage to thwart our disadvantages of open borders. My gun debate is never exclusive to gun vs gun crimes.

 

[Gutterpump]

Our military has a large group of awake people. It's no secret when they come home from war they are labeled as a potential terrorist by DHS. Our military has been purged by Obama unlike any other time in our history.

That being said, our police has a large group of awake people to but they aren't so vocal as of yet.

[video=youtube;9CS7j5I6aOc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CS7j5I6aOc[/video]

They're awake like.......

 

[ax1]

Yes, but these cannot be accessed every day, for any reason. Entirely different to the US's situation. Also reads below for the intricacies of their gun ownership and usuage - including carrying weapons in switzerland.

It's funny how many US people cite switzerlands gun laws as justification for their own, even when the laws are completely different. Also note that many Swiss males have military training - how many US citizens are required to do the same? Also note, you can only be a part of the militia if you have had basic military training. Again, hw many US gun owners are required to do the same?



Acquisition[edit]

Buying guns[edit]

In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 8 WG). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania (Art. 12, WV). The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:
valid official identification or passport copy
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months

For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (Art. 11 WG):
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component
Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer;
Type and number of official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component
and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (Art. 9 WG).

Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (Art. 10 WG):
Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle
By the Federal Council designated hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland
Single-shot rabbit slayer;
Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or may be confused because of their appearance with real firearms

Buying Ammunition[edit]





Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Soldiers equipped with the Sig 550 assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed can, to be opened only upon alert and for use while en route to join their unit. This practice was stopped in 2007.[11]
In order to purchase ammunition the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply to buying guns. The buyer can only buy munition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (Art. 15, 16 WG; Art 24 WV):[9][10]
valid official identification or passport (and must be older than 18 and who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and must not be a citizen of the following countries (Art. 12 WV): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania)
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months
weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years

This also applies for weapons which do not require a weapon acquisition permit (see above, excluding the weapon acquisition permit, of course).

This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holder is registered.

The same applies to black powder and modern black powder substitutes for use in firing historical rifles.





A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
The possession of the following munition is generally prohibited:
Ammunition with armor-piercing bullets
Ammunition with projectiles containing an explosive or incendiary device
Ammunition with one or more floors to the release of substances which damage the health of people in the long run
Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive
Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks
Ammunition for handguns with deformation effect

Carrying guns[edit]

To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[9] It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.[12] The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective.

End of day I don't care, 2nd amendment or bust.

 

[Jiigzz]

At the end of the day, whether you like gun laws or not, you all have to live with the consequences. If more mass shootings occur, you can justify it anyway you want.

It's like a violent relationship, often you cannot see how poisonous it is whike you're in it, even with outsiders constantly telling you that it is not doing good for you. You become oblivious and try justify it, but only once you leave can you see the problem.

 

[ax1]

You're saying that as if they would need to put boots on the ground, if the gov goes tyrannical, with the technology that our government has currently, we wouldn't even know we were being attacked.

Well can't stop that then, just hit the history eraser button lol

 

[thebigt]

Exactly!

Based on this rational I agree, absolutely. The problem is that it has been allowed to get to this point. Australia repealed it's gun laws with amazing results:

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia. The country’s new gun laws prohibited private sales, required that all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count.) In the wake of the tragedy, polls showed public support for these measures at upwards of 90 percent.

What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But as the Washington Post’s Wonkblog pointed out in August, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent. Studies found a close correlation between the sharp declines and the gun buybacks. Robberies involving a firearm also dropped significantly. Meanwhile, home invasions did not increase, contrary to fears that firearm ownership is needed to deter such crimes. But here’s the most stunning statistic. In the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in the country. There hasn’t been a single one in Australia since.

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Perhaps you have every intention of using your weapons for self defense, and that is good. But another person who has just as much ability to access a firearm as you do, intends to cause a massive amount of harm with the same weapon.

It is the nature of the beast.

a decade ago there might have been a chance for this to work, not today.....everytime there is a mass shooting and Obama starts preaching about gun control, sales of guns double!!!


America is not a very logical or reasonable country any more...it has become a nation of agendas.....sad but true!!!

 

[ax1]

At the end of the day, whether you like gun laws or not, you all have to live with the consequences. If more mass shootings occur, you can justify it anyway you want.

It's like a violent relationship, often you cannot see how poisonous it is whike you're in it, even with outsiders constantly telling you that it is not doing good for you. You become oblivious and try justify it, but only once you leave can you see the problem.

A war is the ultimate mass shooting. The number one cause of death is democide not homicide.

 

[ax1]

At the end of the day, whether you like gun laws or not, you all have to live with the consequences. If more mass shootings occur, you can justify it anyway you want.

It's like a violent relationship, often you cannot see how poisonous it is whike you're in it, even with outsiders constantly telling you that it is not doing good for you. You become oblivious and try justify it, but only once you leave can you see the problem.

We don't have a gun problem here, only strict illegal gun control laws and a massively out of control government that create the problem.

The biggest mass killing of my life was on 9-11 by the US government, not some dopey go to gun free zone killers.

 

[ax1]

How come you guys never talk about all the lives that were saved and protected by armed civilians?

 

[Jiigzz]

We don't have a gun problem here, only strict illegal gun control laws and a massively out of control government that create the problem.

The biggest mass killing of my life was on 9-11 by the US government, not some dopey go to gun free zone killers.

Yeah, but that's different again. On that, I agree with you.

How come you guys never talk about all the lives that were saved and protected by armed civilians?

Because there is also a lot of harm caused. Yes, there are certainly awesome people who use guns, but also just as many who intend to cause mass harm. Remember, while half of us yearn for peace, the other half would use that peace to wage war

 

[ax1]

Yeah, but that's different again. On that, I agree with you.



Because there is also a lot of harm caused. Yes, there are certainly awesome people who use guns, but also just as many who intend to cause mass harm. Remember, while half of us yearn for peace, the other half would use that peace to wage war

That's why the other peaceful half refuses to disarm lol