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I understand your point and for the most part agree with you. The way I see it is there are still a few months before the election, people are dropping off the Trump bandwagon like flys it seems. I think Johnson could MAYBE snag enough Hillary supporters to add to the "never trump" voters (i also think some Bernie supporters will fall to him) to have a SMALL chance. Thats what i'm hoping for anyway. Crazier things have happened, maybe not in terms of the presidency, but crazier things have happened.
 
I've never seen him as a lunatic, just another celeb-type personality figure. Kinda like when Ventura or Schwarzenegger were considering a run, it wouldn't be the first celeb/actor that got elected! Remember Reagan? And he usually played the bad guy in his movies. (lol)

So yeah, it's a sad day when DT is the only real candidate, but that Johnson guy has next to zero chance of winning. Why make yourself a loser by making a losing move in a game you can't win? Better to not even vote in that case.

At the same time the Libertarian party is slowly winning as they are polling nationally at 10%, once they hit 15% they can hit the national debates. Thats a major accomplishment step moving forward if they can get there, if not at least its major progress for 3rd/Ind. parties. The Liberty movement is gaining momentum and if either Trump or Hitlery wins, there will be even a greater demand for Liberty is the future as both represent big government which is increasingly growing in disgust.

As far as Donald Dump goes, I really think he just dumbs down his speeches and at the debates to correlate with the average viewer which is the majority paying attention. He probably is well trained in that with that show he did. He is an azz clown, but so far its worked.
 
At the same time the Libertarian party is slowly winning as they are polling nationally at 10%, once they hit 15% they can hit the national debates. Thats a major accomplishment step moving forward if they can get there, if not at least its major progress for 3rd/Ind. parties. The Liberty movement is gaining momentum and if either Trump or Hitlery wins, there will be even a greater demand for Liberty is the future as both represent big government which is increasingly growing in disgust.

As far as Donald Dump goes, I really think he just dumbs down his speeches and at the debates to correlate with the average viewer which is the majority paying attention. He probably is well trained in that with that show he did. He is an azz clown, but so far its worked.

Donald Trump doesn't have to prove he is smart to anyone. He knows how to get the attention of the masses - he had a reality TV show. He knows people get drawn toward wrecks. I've had so many liberals come to me in the past year and say, "Did you hear what Donald Trump said now!??" ...yet, they keep watching his debates and paying attention to him. It's like flies to a bug light.
 
At the same time the Libertarian party is slowly winning as they are polling nationally at 10%, once they hit 15% they can hit the national debates. Thats a major accomplishment step moving forward if they can get there, if not at least its major progress for 3rd/Ind. parties. The Liberty movement is gaining momentum and if either Trump or Hitlery wins, there will be even a greater demand for Liberty is the future as both represent big government which is increasingly growing in disgust.

As far as Donald Dump goes, I really think he just dumbs down his speeches and at the debates to correlate with the average viewer which is the majority paying attention. He probably is well trained in that with that show he did. He is an azz clown, but so far its worked.

I guess we watch different news channels or something, but the Lib party doesn't appear to be a serious contender at all anymore. It has become laughable actually, with dudes giving naked speeches and acting silly. Really pitiful how it disintegrated after Paul split the scene. If they're making any gains it's only a small percent from sponging up soft votes from the undecideds. It's not a growing movement like you try to make it seem, at least not looking at my TV. And about the candidate, Johnson's own people even called him out for the way he treated Austin's endorsement and threw his gift in the trash. Did you see that? It may have been a stupid gift, but you just don't do that kind of stuff if you're the real deal. Not too classy, ya know? He's soft on immigration too so you know he's not for real (and if he is he's a loser anyway cuz nobody wants that.)

Hil was supposed to get this I think, but something changed maybe. And Bernie might have a shot because socialism sounds great right now, but these kids are gonna realize what's up at some point. Besides, I'm pretty sure he was never meant to win, he's just playing his roll somehow.

The only remarkable thing that seems to be happening right now is a clown like Don setting record numbers for the repub primary, and so many dems going repub. I have an old buddy who has voted dem since freakin' Carter, i kid you not AX, and he's even voting for Don! Very strange. RJC is on board too it seems, and that's the tip of the hat if you study it closely.

Like it or not, unless something changes for Hil, I don't see how DT can lose at this point.
 
I guess we watch different news channels or something, but the Lib party doesn't appear to be a serious contender at all anymore. It has become laughable actually, with dudes giving naked speeches and acting silly. Really pitiful how it disintegrated after Paul split the scene. If they're making any gains it's only a small percent from sponging up soft votes from the undecideds. It's not a growing movement like you try to make it seem, at least not looking at my TV. And about the candidate, Johnson's own people even called him out for the way he treated Austin's endorsement and threw his gift in the trash. Did you see that? It may have been a stupid gift, but you just don't do that kind of stuff if you're the real deal. Not too classy, ya know? He's soft on immigration too so you know he's not for real (and if he is he's a loser anyway cuz nobody wants that.)

Hil was supposed to get this I think, but something changed maybe. And Bernie might have a shot because socialism sounds great right now, but these kids are gonna realize what's up at some point. Besides, I'm pretty sure he was never meant to win, he's just playing his roll somehow.

The only remarkable thing that seems to be happening right now is a clown like Don setting record numbers for the repub primary, and so many dems going repub. I have an old buddy who has voted dem since freakin' Carter, i kid you not AX, and he's even voting for Don! Very strange. RJC is on board too it seems, and that's the tip of the hat if you study it closely.

Like it or not, unless something changes for Hil, I don't see how DT can lose at this point.

I did not intend to claim to be a big Johnson fan. To me Ron Paul is the gold standard for the Libertarian movement.

They did have the first national debates too but I almost fell asleep, lol
 
I don't even watch the debates anymore, because they really don't matter. People see what they want to see in those things. It's just a dog and pony show.
 
I did not intend to claim to be a big Johnson fan. To me Ron Paul is the gold standard for the Libertarian movement.

They did have the first national debates too but I almost fell asleep, lol

Oh I know you aren't, but even if you became a Johnson fan that's cool. :) You know i don't even plan to vote, so whatever. I was just saying that my calculations had yielded a different statistical probability, that's all.
 
Oh I know you aren't, but even if you became a Johnson fan that's cool. :) You know i don't even plan to vote, so whatever. I was just saying that my calculations had yielded a different statistical probability, that's all.

Im more of a fan for anyone who stands up for individual liberties and power if ya know what I mean.

I dunno if Im voting for president myself, I dont believe they will even count it if I did but these are the odds for all the remaining % odds candidates for me to vote as of today.

Not vote 60%
Gary Johnson 30%
Donald Dump 6%
Bernie Sanders 4%
 
I did not intend to claim to be a "big Johnson fan" .To me Ron Paul is the gold standard for the Libertarian movement.

They did have the first national debates too but I almost fell asleep, lol


Oh come on now, admit it! You love a big Johnson....

ROFLMAO

Sorry, lol I'm bored at work and that was too easy
 
Im more of a fan for anyone who stands up for individual liberties and power if ya know what I mean.

I dunno if Im voting for president myself, I dont believe they will even count it if I did but these are the odds for all the remaining % odds candidates for me to vote as of today.

Not vote 60%
Gary Johnson 30%
Donald Dump 6%
Bernie Sanders 4%

Wow, you really do have it specifically calculated AX. You're a rational person indeed, not just another bleeding heart with good intentions but no critical thinking ability! I guess that's why I don't see a certain candidate represented in your calculation. (she need not be named, everybody knows who it is, lol.)
 
I did not intend to claim to be a big Johnson fan. To me Ron Paul is the gold standard for the Libertarian movement.

They did have the first national debates too but I almost fell asleep, lol
I really like Ron Paul. Rand Paul is ok, definitely better than the other options from the Republicans and Democrats we have this election, but I don't like him as much as his father. If I'm voting at all, it'll be for Johnson. I know that, as a practical matter, it's highly unlikely that my vote will sway the election either way, as the winner-take-all voting in many states really serves the two-party system, but having a third party get a decent amount of votes is a step in the right direction, and can hopefully serve to show that there is a point in going out and voting, even if it's not for one of the two major players.

Just for fun, a while back I crunched the numbers, and it's actually possible to win the election but lose the popular vote by quite a large margin. I forget the exact numbers, and it would require winning some large red and blue states, but it's possible. It's just not set up well for a third party at all. They could hypothetically lose every single state by 1 vote (winning the popular vote in a landslide), have the second most votes in every state, red and blue, and still get destroyed in the EC.

Has anyone taken the isidewith quiz online? It's quite interesting IMO.
 
Interesting piece on Gary Johnson for those interested:

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It's from the National Review, and we all know that they hate Trump LOL.

In the end, the legislature has the true power over what a President can and can't accomplish.
 
Yeah, I know it's USA Today, but this article shows just how much of a scumbag Trump is. He didn't even pay his own workers......

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So does anyone else see what may or may not be going on?

Bernie has potential to lose, Hillary wants his votes. Hillary offers Bernie a VP position.

Hillary also offered Obama a job as Supreme Court Justice. Today, Obama endorsed Hillary for Pres.

So basically if we're tired of Obama, and don't want Hillary but wanted Bernie, we could still potentially get Bernie as VP. But then we're still stuck with Hillary and Obama.

It's like a big eff-you to the voters. "Hey America, we are in a panic that Trump could actually win, so we're going to gather everyone else together as a team so you're forced to vote Hillary into office"

What a crock of ish.

Seriously, people don't question this situation?
 
Honestly, I just think Trump would be so much of an unmitigated disaster that nothing matters to me but him losing.
 
I sincerely hope you aren't still in the military if he wins. I don't want anyone I know to have to go to another meaningless war.
 
I sincerely hope you aren't still in the military if he wins. I don't want anyone I know to have to go to another meaningless war.

Honorably Discharged as of 7/2012.

I somewhat agree with you but then I know too many veterans that would volunteer to go back to kill ISIS. Today's burning of 19 innocent woman whole locked in cages pissed me off so bad. All because they refused to be ISIS sex slaves. It's horrible.
 
Honestly, I just think Trump would be so much of an unmitigated disaster that nothing matters to me but him losing.

So you would rather a historically proven disaster and well established global terrorist wins just because Trump might be?

Logic???
 
I sincerely hope you aren't still in the military if he wins. I don't want anyone I know to have to go to another meaningless war.

Such as the ones that terrorist Hitlery over and over and over again has voted for and supported? If I was in the military that hoe would scare the crap out of me.
 
Honorably Discharged as of 7/2012.

I somewhat agree with you but then I know too many veterans that would volunteer to go back to kill ISIS. Today's burning of 19 innocent woman whole locked in cages pissed me off so bad. All because they refused to be ISIS sex slaves. It's horrible.

Hitlery armed ISIS dropping billions and billions of dollars in ammo and equipment to "moderate al-queda" LOL and people think she is a more passive choice than Trump just because he wants to kick ISIS's azz?
 
So you're going to hope The Donald does it better?

I can agree with you half way my friend its truly a big question mark as the only option in my books in marching right the f' out end end foreign interventionism for good.
 
This Hillary lady, I hear she'll say anything, and change nothing.

She will even change her accent depending on what region she is giving speeches in. Her brain is as phony as the plastic on her face.
 
Damn....what a scene on ESPN at Ali's hometown, I have goosebumps watching thousands of people chanting Ali and throwing flowers at the motorcade.

For once in my lifetime I finally get to live and watch Ali on live television and witness the greatest of all time.
 
Damn....what a see on ESPN at Ali's hometown, I have goosebumps watching thousands of people chanting Ali and throwing flowers at the motorcade.

For once in my lifetime I finally get to live and watch Ali on live television and witness the greatest of all time.

It's something a lot of fighters today can learn from. You don't get to start claiming you're the greatest of all time after 4 or 5 fights.
 
What a month and year....hockey just lost its own greatest of all time Gordie Howe, RIP
 
She will even change her accent depending on what region she is giving speeches in. Her brain is as phony as the plastic on her face.

She sucks but I still kinda prefer her over Trump. Status quo vs global downturn. Status quo is still ****ty, but Trump will be disastrous globally. Nobody but our enemies are endorsing him globally, pretty clear sign.
 
She sucks but I still kinda prefer her over Trump. Status quo vs global downturn. Status quo is still ****ty, but Trump will be disastrous globally. Nobody but our enemies are endorsing him globally, pretty clear sign.
Reverse psychology? They probably know full well that their supporting a candidate may actually do more harm than good. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but is it outside the realm of possibility?
 
What a month and year....hockey just lost its own greatest of all time Gordie Howe, RIP

Oh wow :( RIP to another great.

True story: my grandfather played in the NHL and fought Gordie Howe once, but they were also great friends for a long long time.
 
Reverse psychology? They probably know full well that their supporting a candidate may actually do more harm than good. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but is it outside the realm of possibility?

That's what I think. They definitely don't have America's best interests at heart.
 
And Clinton caught in another lie. "There was absolutely no secret emails on that server"

Then FBI just announces over 22 of them found.

#Trump2016
 
And Clinton caught in another lie. "There was absolutely no secret emails on that server"

Then FBI just announces over 22 of them found.

#Trump2016

Lie or not she destroyed the hard drives which is obstruction of justice...7 years prison I believe automatic.
 
World destruction vs 22 deleted emails. Hrmmmm lol

I presume you're saying trump = world destruction?
Because I wouldn't put it past Hillary to **** everything up too. What a horrible person. Not even a person imo
 
World destruction vs 22 deleted emails. Hrmmmm lol

She is already a cause of world destruction. Her policies she has supported in the middle east has chaos nothing but chaos and suffering for millions and millions of people.

She already is a mass murdering world destructive serial killer vs. someone who never killed anybody. Hrmmmmmm
 
I presume you're saying trump = world destruction?
Because I wouldn't put it past Hillary to **** everything up too. What a horrible person. Not even a person imo

Her hero is Margret Sanger, the founder of planned parenthood who in her own statement was created to control and reduce the population of black people.

She is human filth, they need to throw her in Guantanamo bay.
 
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