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Donald Trump running for president

thebigt said:
Einstein/jobs/gates/hawking/Edison/markoni/tesla were[are]intellectuals...the rest of us become adept at using their creations, but to be honest the majority of humankind just isn't very creative.

anyone have any studies on IQ's...I would be curious how the IQ of todays average person compares with that of an average person in the 50's?
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This is why we need selective breeding practices/laws.

(Just half joking here)
 
Geoforce said:
I think that is part of it. I think a bigger part is he says stuff and people believe him without questioning it. I can see the appeal behind Trump if he was what he says he is, but he isn't.

"He's an outsider!": No he's not. He's a wealthy connected individual who has spent his career schmoozing politicians for personal gain. Simply because he isn't a governor doesn't make him an outsider. You're probably an outsider. Anyone that knows that many politicians and Wall Street people is not even close to an outsider.

"He will get rid of bad politicians!": No he won't. He doesn't have the power to do that. We keep electing the same people in power in the same parties.

"He won't be beholden to any special interests!:" Ah yes, the self-funding myth. How's that working out right now? In order to run for President he's now going to kiss all necessary rings of those on the right side. He's going to take all sorts of money and run all sorts of horrible ads.

"He says whatever he wants!": Yeah. Including saying tons of things completely counter to what he said not that long ago. Before he realized you can con the electorate and they will believe ANYTHING you say no matter how contrary it is to your past. He has a history of supporting liberal causes and in the past few weeks is now backtracking on almost everything he said in the primaries.

If Trump actually was any of these things I may throw support behind him. But he's not. He has wacko anti-free market ideas that have historically failed like tariffs. He has already flip flopped tons. No one has any idea what he actually thinks, but he will say the right words to the audience he is speaking to. Like every politician ever.

The lesser of two evils (which is a HORRIBLE reason to vote for someone) is the only thing I could see. Trump is doing everything every other politician does except he isn't afraid to bully and be nasty out loud. Arguing on twitter isn't a presidential characteristic and neither is being short tempered and unpredictable.
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again...I will argue that perception is reality...people perceive Hillary as being a proponent of PC even saying that Obama wasn't liberal enough. trump on the other hand is perceived as ANTI-PC, which is the attraction for many trump supporters...


imo, PC is on trial in this presidential campaign. many pundits say it is the economy, I disagree. I think the election is about what direction this country will take on social issues.
 
thebigt said:
again...I will argue that perception is reality...people perceive Hillary as being a proponent of PC even saying that Obama wasn't liberal enough. trump on the other hand is perceived as ANTI-PC, which is the attraction for many trump supporters...


imo, PC is on trial in this presidential campaign. many pundits say it is the economy, I disagree. I think the election is about what direction this country will take on social issues.
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Trump is liberal on social issues unless someone actually believes his flip flops. Pro gay for a long time (until needing right wing votes) pro choice (until needing right wing votes) says transgender people should use the bathroom they want.

He may not be PC but he's essentiallly the same as Hilary socially. Of course with the flip flops and inconsistencies he can shift into whatever people want him to be.

Since i'm socially liberal on most issues that's fine, but his pretending shows you can't trust him. Jot surprising how many wealthy reality stars would be trustworthy?

Hilary is a deadly spider and Trump a deadly snake. Pick your poision!
 
Geoforce said:
Trump is liberal on social issues unless someone actually believes his flip flops. Pro gay for a long time (until needing right wing votes) pro choice (until needing right wing votes) says transgender people should use the bathroom they want.

He may not be PC but he's essentiallly the same as Hilary socially. Of course with the flip flops and inconsistencies he can shift into whatever people want him to be.
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you are not getting it...that is your perception, it is not the perception of trumps supporters.
 
thebigt said:
you are not getting it...that is your perception, it is not the perception of trumps supporters.
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Of course it isn't. I have been saying that since the beginning. They believe he is it. The chosen one. They buy the stuff he says and create realities around it. When he "clarifies" his thoughts after getting called out they don't see that as a problem. Like he said he could shoot someone and those people would still support him.

He's by no means the only politician like this (you could argue the same as Obama), but it is stunning to me the amount of people who won't question his word. Most of the time we call people who change stories and viewpoints all the time liars. Maybe telling the truth is the real pc thing.

Trump is all the things Repuublicans complained Obama in 08 but since he's on the red team now it's ok!
 
Geoforce said:
Of course it isn't. I have been saying that since the beginning. They believe he is it. The chosen one. They buy the stuff he says and create realities around it. When he "clarifies" his thoughts after getting called out they don't see that as a problem. Like he said he could shoot someone and those people would still support him.

He's by no means the only politician like this (you could argue the same as Obama), but it is stunning to me the amount of people who won't question his word. Most of the time we call people who change stories and viewpoints all the time liars. Maybe telling the truth is the real pc thing
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lol...the thing is that people who are tired of PC are starved for someone to stand up to it, republicans feel that their leaders have failed to do this. the attraction that trump has is the perception that he is the ANTI-PC savior.
 
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This is for whoever thinks people are just "flowing into Europe with no id/papers"
We've been in this line for like 2.5 hours here in Paris due to security reasons
 
Matthandyo said:
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This is for whoever thinks people are just "flowing into Europe with no id/papers"
We've been in this line for like 2.5 hours here in Paris due to security reasons
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Its been like this in the USA, dunno if you heard. There was outrage across the country.

Terrorist such as the underwear bomber dont need to even wait on line, they bypass it by having the CIA telling security that they have no passport, but are national security.
 
ax1 said:
Its been like this in the USA, dunno if you heard. There was outrage across the country.

Terrorist such as the underwear bomber dont need to even wait on line, they bypass it by having the CIA telling security that they have no passport, but are national security.
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From the reviews of this airport this is norm here. 2 hour plus wait times.

I think I saw something about wait times in chicago
 
Matthandyo said:
From the reviews of this airport this is norm here. 2 hour plus wait times.

I think I saw something about wait times in chicago
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Also, Laguardia, Atlanta, Phoenix and several others. Wait lines as far as baggage check in. some 3,000 people who had checked in their luggage missed their flights so far, its serious.

Now the bad news is that to solve this TSA is talking about having new size/quantity limits on luggage to speed screening. Also, no more pat down options, I predicted this but they crushed my nuts twice and Im still not happy about that. I just get xrayed to death since.
 
Id say what a wonderful opportunity for a terrorist to take out alot of people clogged up and waiting for TSA to get them through.

TSA security is less security.
 
ax1 said:
Also, Laguardia, Atlanta, Phoenix and several others. Wait lines as far as baggage check in. some 3,000 people who had checked in their luggage missed their flights so far, its serious.

Now the bad news is that to solve this TSA is talking about having new size/quantity limits on luggage to speed screening. Also, no more pat down options, I predicted this but they crushed my nuts twice and Im still not happy about that. I just get xrayed to death since.
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Or you can pay like $300 to supposedly skip the line with the Pre Check.
 
Misfit28 said:
Or you can pay like $300 to supposedly skip the line with the Pre Check.
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Id like to pay $300 to give the TSA a patdown, I dont trust them, they steal so much crap from passengers its unbelievable. Plus its a paradise job for perverts.
 
Misfit28 said:
Or you can pay like $300 to supposedly skip the line with the Pre Check.
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Id like to pay $300 to give the TSA a patdown, I dont trust them, they steal so much crap from passengers its unbelievable. Plus its a paradise job for perverts.
 
Misfit28 said:
In my opinion, it would be a boon. Imagine how many lives could be saved and injuries prevented?

It could leave humans free to pursue more creative and intellectual endeavors to advance humankind.
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If they are freed up from working at Wendy's, they probably aren't ambitious enough to pursue those pipe dreams.
 
thebigt said:
CUT COSTS????

I don't know what the mark up is on a hamburger, but it seems to me they would have to sell a whole lot to recover their initial investment!!!

I bet they are looking at a minimum of 10 years to see a return on their investment, and 10 years can be a lifetime in todays world of business!!!

if anything look for the price of Wendy's hamburgers to go up!!!
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They don't have to pay the Obamacare penalty if they eliminate enough workers. They don't have to pay as much unemployment insurance for less employees. They won't have to obviously pay the salaries of the employees getting replaced by robots. They can and will calculate it out to determine the number of years to pay for and then make a profit from it. Any large industry is willing to spend money to get a guaranteed return, even if it's a couple years down the road. The flat bottom line profit isn't the only aspect that gets considered in decisions like that.

Would robots be expensive? Probably. But I would imagine the designers understand their market and will design and price them accordingly. It won't be like an auto company buying assembly line robots.
 
thebigt said:
you are leaving out the cost of maintaining robotics...plus the cost of installing 258 automated stores, this is going to be costly-especially if they have to remodel. the electricity cost of running 1 store alone would probably pay salary of 1 employee.
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A power bill doesn't show up late. Doesn't no show. Doesn't bitch and complain. Doesn't treat customers poorly and cause them to tell their friends not to come back.
 
youngandfree said:
Would robots be expensive? Probably. But I would imagine the designers understand their market and will design and price them accordingly. It won't be like an auto company buying assembly line robots.
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Check this out,

They can also have robo-drones replace even more workers via remote control out of India. Next time you need customer service you can talk to a robot with an Indian accent.
 
youngandfree said:
A power bill doesn't show up late. Doesn't no show. Doesn't bitch and complain. Doesn't treat customers poorly and cause them to tell their friends not to come back.
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They can decide to counter those costs with solar panels on each Wendy's too.
 
youngandfree said:
I've worked fast food for almost 5 years. I was a shift manager. I eat at fast food all the time and see how people act. It's not judging when you're presenting facts.
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So, you've worked at every fast food place in the world and spoken to every fast food worker ever?

What's so hilarious to me is that you don't accept peer reviewed research, but take your own anecdotal experience as gospel.
 
Misfit28 said:
So, you've worked at every fast food place in the world and spoken to every fast food worker ever?

What's so hilarious to me is that you don't accept peer reviewed research, but take your own anecdotal experience as gospel.
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So point me to some peer reviewed research on fast food worker's ****ty attitudes. My several year experience managing fast food workers does carry weight. I eat fast food more than most here, and see my share of piss poor service in many establishments. With the exception of evil Chik Fil A. I've yet to someone speak to me with a less than accomadaing and friendly attitude.

Hardees, Taco Bell, and Wendy's in my city have the worst employees. They could care less about their service to the customers.
 
Since you very rarely provide studies to back up your arguments, yet demand everyone else does or they are just a judgemental bigot.
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Misfit28 said:
So, you've worked at every fast food place in the world and spoken to every fast food worker ever?

What's so hilarious to me is that you don't accept peer reviewed research, but take your own anecdotal experience as gospel.
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What studies say my experience is out of touch with reality.
 
Briefly reading through what you provided tells me little about the overall attitudes of fast food workers. In fact, the second one seems just as judgemental as you do.

I don't do quick little Google searches, it takes me a while to find reputable sources.
 
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In a webcast McDonald's executives held with franchise owners last month, the company said 1 in 5 customer complaints are related to friendliness issues "and it's increasing," according to a slide from the presentation reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The webcast identified the top complaint as "rude or unprofessional employees."

I realize McDonald's corporation doesn't have a valid argument since they didn't peer review their study, so go ahead and dismiss it.
 
I just don't understand how you expect people to be overjoyed to work for minimum wage lol.

I don't honestly expect superior service when I go to a fast food restaurant. Maybe I don't expect much lol.
 
thebigt said:
again...I will argue that perception is reality...people perceive Hillary as being a proponent of PC even saying that Obama wasn't liberal enough. trump on the other hand is perceived as ANTI-PC, which is the attraction for many trump supporters...


imo, PC is on trial in this presidential campaign. many pundits say it is the economy, I disagree. I think the election is about what direction this country will take on social issues.
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Mac is still superior to PC
 
Ive worked and manged fast food places along with other minimum low wage jobs.

Id say its about 50/50. Also I eat out too, some places good some bad, Id say about 50/50. Im a bit more lenient as Misfit says, who feels overjoyed working for minimum wage. Its not an excuse, I do expect more professionalism but I just let some things pass, I can understand and sometimes people have a bad day. Working there is a different story Ill tell you about 1/4 dont even deserve minimum wage. Some deserve triple salary.

When it comes to issues like this I dont think we need to overdue the peer reviewed study so much. Personal experience is personal experience, no peer reviews research is going to change that. Some of these are easily tinkered too and regional.
 
Misfit28 said:
I just don't understand how you expect people to be overjoyed to work for minimum wage lol.

I don't honestly expect superior service when I go to a fast food restaurant. Maybe I don't expect much lol.
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I worked for minimum wage and tried to treat every customer with courtesy and respect. I wasn't overjoyed about being there, that's a different argument. And I never said people should be overjoyed. But I was being payed to provide good customer service and ensure customers continued to visit our store. It was a Dairy Queen btw. I worked there off and on again 3 different times. When I was a shift manager, I worked my first job from 700 or 730-2pm, then go to Dairy Queen and work 5 to close. Closing time was 11, so it was past midnight leaving there. My whole argument centers around people too lazy to do a good job in fast food and are rude to customers and fellow employees, which I have plenty of experience in, probably aren't too ambitious.

Geoforce gets cred because his years of"experience" working with poor people that trumps my personal interactions. Why don't I get any for working with and dealing with fast food people for many years?
 
ax1 said:
Ive worked and manged fast food places along with other minimum low wage jobs.

Id say its about 50/50. Also I eat out too, some places good some bad, Id say about 50/50. Im a bit more lenient as Misfit says, who feels overjoyed working for minimum wage. Its not an excuse, I do expect more professionalism but I just let some things pass, I can understand and sometimes people have a bad day. Working there is a different story Ill tell you about 1/4 dont even deserve minimum wage. Some deserve triple salary.

When it comes to issues like this I dont think we need to overdue the peer reviewed study so much. Personal experience is personal experience, no peer reviews research is going to change that. Some of these are easily tinkered too and regional.
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Good point. I just really dislike it when people talk about fast food workers like they aren't people. Just because someone has a low paying job doesn't necessarily mean they can't do better, or aren't worthy of more money just because they work there.

It's just far too easy to judge people, IMO. You have no idea what else is going on in their lives, and it's really unfair IMO.

You're also right in that I do tend to perhaps place to much emphasis on studies at times. I just feel that there is less personal bias in studies.
 
youngandfree said:
I worked for minimum wage and tried to treat every customer with courtesy and respect. I wasn't overjoyed about being there, that's a different argument. And I never said people should be overjoyed. But I was being payed to provide good customer service and ensure customers continued to visit our store. It was a Dairy Queen btw. I worked there off and on again 3 different times. When I was a shift manager, I worked my first job from 700 or 730-2pm, then go to Dairy Queen and work 5 to close. Closing time was 11, so it was past midnight leaving there. My whole argument centers around people too lazy to do a good job in fast food and are rude to customers and fellow employees, which I have plenty of experience in, probably aren't too ambitious.

Geoforce gets cred because his years of"experience" working with poor people that trumps my personal interactions. Why don't I get any for working with and dealing with fast food people for many years?
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You're right. I'm not discounting your experience, you just always seem so negative.
 
youngandfree said:
I worked for minimum wage and tried to treat every customer with courtesy and respect. I wasn't overjoyed about being there, that's a different argument. And I never said people should be overjoyed. But I was being payed to provide good customer service and ensure customers continued to visit our store. It was a Dairy Queen btw. I worked there off and on again 3 different times. When I was a shift manager, I worked my first job from 700 or 730-2pm, then go to Dairy Queen and work 5 to close. Closing time was 11, so it was past midnight leaving there. My whole argument centers around people too lazy to do a good job in fast food and are rude to customers and fellow employees, which I have plenty of experience in, probably aren't too ambitious.

Geoforce gets cred because his years of"experience" working with poor people that trumps my personal interactions. Why don't I get any for working with and dealing with fast food people for many years?
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ok, here we go...this is a perfect example of what the fast food industry is doing wrong.

1. offer incentives for advancement to employees who try to excel. an example of this would be to set up employee training to become asst. managers with the further incentive of becoming managers.

2. hire from within, this goes along with #1. instead of bringing in someone like you to manage people that are starting at the bottom, give those people the incentive of being able to work their way up the 'food chain'-pun intended.

3. 4 years of collage isn't necessary to do most jobs, including running a fast food restaurant. on the job training would be much more specific to the skill set required.

4. fast food is considered a dead end job, this is why most people hate it. instead company's could make fast food a career opportunity!!!!

5. employees used to be considered assets by company's, somewhere down the line company's lost sight of this, and American business has suffered for this mistake!!!
 
thebigt said:
ok, here we go...this is a perfect example of what the fast food industry is doing wrong.

1. offer incentives for advancement to employees who try to excel. an example of this would be to set up employee training to become asst. managers with the further incentive of becoming managers.

2. hire from within, this goes along with #1. instead of bringing in someone like you to manage people that are starting at the bottom, give those people the incentive of being able to work their way up the 'food chain'-pun intended.

3. 4 years of collage isn't necessary to do most jobs, including running a fast food restaurant. on the job training would be much more specific to the skill set required.

4. fast food is considered a dead end job, this is why most people hate it. instead company's could make fast food a career opportunity!!!!

5. employees used to be considered assets by company's, somewhere down the line company's lost sight of this, and American business has suffered for this mistake!!!
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Excellent post. I think number 4 is why most people act so miserable. It's not an excuse, just a possible explanation.
 
Misfit28 said:
Excellent post. I think number 4 is why most people act so miserable. It's not an excuse, just a possible explanation.
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the reason why people act so miserably is because employers treat them as expendable...if you don't like it, hit the road jack-there are plenty more where you come from.

in my long career in the work force I have worked very low paying jobs and some well paying jobs. the thing I noticed as I advanced up the food chain is the more money I made the more respect and dignity I was given by employers.

what minimum wage employers like macdonalds and Walmart need to realize is that those minimum wage earners are front line people representing the company to customers...if those company's had half a brain they would do everything possible to create job satisfaction, instead of trying to cut employee benefits at every corner....American business has become butt stupid, imo.
 
thebigt said:
the reason why people act so miserably is because employers treat them as expendable...if you don't like it, hit the road jack-there are plenty more where you come from.

in my long career in the work force I have worked very low paying jobs and some well paying jobs. the thing I noticed as I advanced up the food chain is the more money I made the more respect and dignity I was given by employers.

what minimum wage employers like macdonalds and Walmart need to realize is that those minimum wage earners are front line people representing the company to customers...if those company's had half a brain they would do everything possible to create job satisfaction, instead of trying to cut employee benefits at every corner....American business has become butt stupid, imo.
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Kind of like Chik Fil A does.
 
thebigt said:
the reason why people act so miserably is because employers treat them as expendable...if you don't like it, hit the road jack-there are plenty more where you come from.

in my long career in the work force I have worked very low paying jobs and some well paying jobs. the thing I noticed as I advanced up the food chain is the more money I made the more respect and dignity I was given by employers.

what minimum wage employers like macdonalds and Walmart need to realize is that those minimum wage earners are front line people representing the company to customers...if those company's had half a brain they would do everything possible to create job satisfaction, instead of trying to cut employee benefits at every corner....American business has become butt stupid, imo.
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Competition is diminishing too, notice we are talking about big chains rather than local mom and pops shops.
 
ax1 said:
Competition is diminishing too, notice we are talking about big chains rather than local mom and pops shops.
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I think mom and pop family type diners are making a comeback!!!
 
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