Donald Trump running for president

[thebigt]

Teen drug use is way lower. It's not really up for debate. Invalid Link Removed

I could agree that Obama may have been able to do more, but I guess I don't see specifically why it has to be him. Why didn't other Presidents do something before him? We have had police brutality, riots against the policy, etc. for a long time. If anything I see Obama as being the status quo. Some of the issues in the black community go way further back and will take much more than some President just saying "be a good boy" to fix.

you obviously don't associate with many blacks. if a white man were to tell blacks that they are doing something wrong that person would automatically be discounted or more likely called a racist. Obama was/is a unique position as the 1st black president to reach out and tell blacks that turning to drugs and crime is self destructive---look at me, I am a living example that a black man can succeed in this country if you work hard and stay in school, don't turn to drugs and crime and use birth control, having 10 babies with 10 women is not a path to success!!!

as to teen drug use, statistics don't tell the whole story...talk to law enforcement and ask them what they think, I bet they will tell you that anyone who thinks teen drug use is down is delusional.

 

[Geoforce]

Im not supporting or voting Trump, I dont trust him.

Ill give him this from my own personal experience. I used to strongly support the democratic party and liberal's and even voted for him in 08. Just a year later, Obama woke me up so much it changed me entirely. I started thinking about freedom and the power of individual liberty.

People change. Did Trump change? I dunno.

People change. Did he? Not in my opinion. He saw an opportunity and gave those voters exactly what they wanted to hear. So much so that they will forgive almost any "mistake" he makes now. They wanted a non politician so much they elected a business man who knows exactly what you want to hear. And he delivers it. Is he afraid to flip flop? No. Does he have detailed policies? No. But he'll say things certain people want to hear and because he said those early the ears are off.

 

[ax1]

We'll agree to disagree on the draft. I'd say it is FAR more likely the draft never happens again than happens in your lifetime. For one thing we don't need as many soldiers.

Some of your other points I agree with, but you have never owned all the fruits of your labor. Taxation is hardly a new concept and you haven't lived a day in your life where you had the ability to not be taxed. Staying in America to fight for something you've never known seems crazy to say the least. You've essentially made a choice by not moving. You've said you are ok with taxation because you will not do your alternate option which is to not live in this nation.

So you may hate it all you want, but when push comes to shove you are not willing to do the one thing that will "free" you from that burden.

Under the National Defense Resources Preparedness act the draft is already here and active, domestically at least.

Income tax didnt come in until 1913 and the Federal Reserve grasped power. To repeal the 16th Amendment sounded just as crazy as it was to implement it before 1913. I dont let the system to condition me to accept things as they are just because it was that way at birth. Repealing the 16th Amendment is a rather growing movement in this country.

I can compromise, of course. Whats wrong with that? Why not revamp the system so it benefits people while we continue to grow the movement to eventually repeal it? I would think myself as ignorant not to be flexible and have some compromise with politics and policy and in the meantime I can continue to work to attain my goals, win or lose.

America is my home, Im ok with failure and losing. Just because things arent the way I would like them to be doesnt mean I run off like a coward. I love this country, why wouldnt I stay? That would be retarded and lowest of the low, why do you even say and suggest that? The only way I would run out of here is if there was an all out war and I was trying to survive, but thats about it. Its my duty to involve politically and try to contribute to better change.

 

[Geoforce]

you obviously don't associate with many blacks. if a white man were to tell blacks that they are doing something wrong that person would automatically be discounted or more likely called a racist. Obama was/is a unique position as the 1st black president to reach out and tell blacks that turning to drugs and crime is self destructive---look at me, I am a living example that a black man can succeed in this country if you work hard and stay in school, don't turn to drugs and crime and use birth control, having 10 babies with 10 women is not a path to success!!!

as to teen drug use, statistics don't tell the whole story...talk to law enforcement and ask them what they think, I bet they will tell you that anyone who thinks teen drug use is down is delusional.

I know plenty of black people. Many of whom are fantastic individuals. I know some thugs. But I know white thugs. I know crime is crime, drug use is drug use, having kids you can't support is having kids you can't support. I know breaking down people into categories is a waste of time. And I don't know why Obama has the obligation to tell that story if George W Bush didn't say it to white people. Our jails have tons of white people in them.

As for the drug use dismiss the statistics if you would like. I've been working in schools for ten years and I definitely believe drug use is lower. Studies that look at these things say it as well. You seem to really want to believe certain things about people today are different from reality.

We used more illicit drugs in the 80's than we do today. I don't need to interview a cop to know that. We collect data on these things. And I don't dismiss data because it is the absolute ONLY non subjective way to look at the issue.

 

[ax1]

So you may hate it all you want, but when push comes to shove you are not willing to do the one thing that will "free" you from that burden.

This is absolutely insane.

 

[Geoforce]

Under the National Defense Resources Preparedness act the draft is already here and active, domestically at least.

Income tax didnt come in until 1913 and the Federal Reserve grasped power. To repeal the 16th Amendment sounded just as crazy as it was to implement it before 1913. I dont let the system to condition me to accept things as they are just because it was that way at birth. Repealing the 16th Amendment is a rather growing movement in this country.

I can compromise, of course. Whats wrong with that? Why not revamp the system so it benefits people while we continue to grow the movement to eventually repeal it? I would think myself as ignorant not to be flexible and have some compromise with politics and policy and in the meantime I can continue to work to attain my goals, win or lose.

America is my home, Im ok with failure and losing. Just because things arent the way I would like them to be doesnt mean I run off like a coward. I love this country, why wouldnt I stay? That would be retarded and lowest of the low, why do you even say and suggest that? The only way I would run out of here is if there was an all out war and I was trying to survive, but thats about it. Its my duty to involve politically and try to contribute to better change.

Why is income tax the only form of slavery? If we abolished the income tax and raised other taxes to compensate for the revenue you may end up the exact same boat financially. I thought you were saying all forms of taxation were slavery.

 

[Geoforce]

This is absolutely insane.

Fair enough, I won't continue the point. I will say that I find it surprising (not aiming this at you) that so many people are anti-government and yet they will not move to a place that has an absence of government.

 

[ax1]

Fair enough, I won't continue the point. I will say that I find it surprising (not aiming this at you) that so many people are anti-government and yet they will not move to a place that has an absence of government.

I think you are confusing the issue, people arent "anti-government" people are anti-tyranny, or anti big government. That doesnt mean anarchy. I love having a government.

I dont understand why you think people should run away and hide from their problems. Im glad people arent or this country will sink ship tomorrow.

 

[Geoforce]

I think you are confusing the issue, people arent "anti-government" people are anti-tyranny, or anti big government. That doesnt mean anarchy. I love having a government.

I dont understand why you think people should run away and hide from their problems. Im glad people arent or this country will sink ship tomorrow.

I apologize. Many people who sound like you are anarchists or anarco-capitalists and do NOT go and start their own society though they could if they truly believed in their cause.

 

[ax1]

Why is income tax the only form of slavery? If we abolished the income tax and raised other taxes to compensate for the revenue you may end up the exact same boat financially. I thought you were saying all forms of taxation were slavery.

No you wouldnt. 1st, the income tax is the most de-meaning of all the taxes. Its taken from you before you have a choice how to spend the fruits of your labor.

Having sales tax give you control of how and when to spend it. Nobody is forcing you agaisnt your will at gunpoint to buy things unlike the current system.

Under the system I would support you wouldnt need to have anywhere nearly the same tax levels to support the monster government it currently is. I like the Austrian Economics model for the most part.

Its not a one step solution to the problem, I would reform the whole economy so be sure to put in Ax1 on your fill in ballot this fall, you wont regret it. Its all starts by bringing back the only real legal currency which is gold and silver.

 

[Geoforce]

No you wouldnt. 1st, the income tax is the most de-meaning of all the taxes. Its taken from you before you have a choice how to spend the fruits of your labor.

Having sales tax give you control of how and when to spend it. Nobody is forcing you agaisnt your will at gunpoint to buy things unlike the current system.

Under the system I would support you wouldnt need to have anywhere nearly the same tax levels to support the monster government it currently is. I like the Austrian Economics model for the most part.

Its not a one step solution to the problem, I would reform the whole economy so be sure to put in Ax1 on your fill in ballot this fall, you wont regret it.

No issues with making our main taxation policy regressive? My friend I would vote for you illegally as often as I could before Hilary or Trump.

FWIW I definitely think we need tax reform, but unsure of what exactly it should look like.

 

[ax1]

I apologize. Many people who sound like you are anarchists or anarco-capitalists and do NOT go and start their own society though they could if they truly believed in their cause.

Ive met anarchists, they arent my cup of tea. I like having a solid government, small government elected by the people. I prefer small Federal government and support state powers creating competition and giving people variety and choice.

 

[Geoforce]

Ive met anarchists, they arent my cup of tea. I like having a solid government, small government elected by the people. I prefer small Federal government and support state powers creating competition and giving people variety and choice.

I can buy that. I might even take it one step further and prefer more local government options than state even.

 

[ax1]

No issues with making our main taxation policy regressive? My friend I would vote for you illegally as often as I could before Hilary or Trump.

FWIW I definitely think we need tax reform, but unsure of what exactly it should look like.

If there is no income tax poor people wouldnt pay any percentage.

Maybe state laws can pass some voucher system or better yet and ID card that lets people in a certain income bracket have lower sales tax, or tax exempt on goods such as food and drink, maybe even fuel and energy. We can make it work. I was poor I had ideas years ago how to make things better.

 

[ax1]

I can buy that. I might even take it one step further and prefer more local government options than state even.

Thats awesome, I always knew we had some common idea's....not totallllllllllly, but we do

 

[ax1]

No issues with making our main taxation policy regressive? My friend I would vote for you illegally as often as I could before Hitlery or Dump.

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[thebigt]

I know plenty of black people. Many of whom are fantastic individuals. I know some thugs. But I know white thugs. I know crime is crime, drug use is drug use, having kids you can't support is having kids you can't support. I know breaking down people into categories is a waste of time. And I don't know why Obama has the obligation to tell that story if George W Bush didn't say it to white people. Our jails have tons of white people in them.

As for the drug use dismiss the statistics if you would like. I've been working in schools for ten years and I definitely believe drug use is lower. Studies that look at these things say it as well. You seem to really want to believe certain things about people today are different from reality.

We used more illicit drugs in the 80's than we do today. I don't need to interview a cop to know that. We collect data on these things. And I don't dismiss data because it is the absolute ONLY non subjective way to look at the issue.

lol...you are a member of a bodybuilding forum and you don't believe that statistics and studies can be slanted and skewed to get the results you want?

saying you know blacks means nothing to me, everyone says that...I grew up with poor blacks, went to school with them been in their houses and they in mine...I went to manual high school in Indianapolis 72-76 in the years of bussing, my school was equally divided among blacks and whites with a few hispanics. the teachers were probably at least 90% white, fortunately for me when teachers would tell us what we needed to do to better our lives I listened, my black friends on the other hand dismissed it as more whitey bullsh1t. if there had been more black teachers back then maybe many of the blacks I grew up with wouldn't be dead or incarcerated. this is not to say that a very high percentage of whites I grew up with didn't suffer the same fate, being poor means you are at a distinct disadvantage from the get go. but the point being blacks pay more attention when another successful black tells them what they need to know......this is why I say that Obama has failed miserably!!!


you are talking the talk quoting statistics....I have walked the walk, my friend!!!

 

[Geoforce]

lol...you are a member of a bodybuilding forum and you don't believe that statistics and studies can be slanted and skewed to get the results you want?

Of course they can. It's all you have to go off of though. And if they were slanted or skewed they would always go down instead of fluctuations. I'll take statistics from researchers and sociologists who do this for a living over asking one cop who has no idea of the nationwide history of drug use. By almost every possible measure you can find they will all say illict drug use in teens is down. Kids don't go out and party like they used to. Social media has actually had a slight anti-social effect.

If you choose to not believe this I don't know what to tell you bigt! You can take it from a guy who has worked with teens over the last decade, you can look at ALL the national and state data, or you can just believe what it seems like you want to be true. I know when I was growing up my friends and I experimented and did way crazier things than this generation of kids who are just as likely to play video games or be on social media on friday night than be out partying.

The thing is it has REALLY been trending down over the last decade. So teen use being down is really nothing new. It's been going that way for quite a while.

Crime and abortion rates also down. I thought I told everyone this was the best time to be alive!

The number of people who have died as a result of war, civil war, and, yes, terrorism, is down 50 percent this decade from the 1990s. It is down 75 percent from the preceding five decades, the decades of the Cold War, and it is, of course, down 99 percent from the decade before that, which is World War II. Steven Pinker says that we are living in the most peaceful times in human history

 

[thebigt]

Of course they can. It's all you have to go off of though. And if they were slanted or skewed they would always go down instead of fluctuations. I'll take statistics from researchers and sociologists who do this for a living over asking one cop who has no idea of the nationwide history of drug use. By almost every possible measure you can find they will all say illict drug use in teens is down. Kids don't go out and party like they used to. Social media has actually had a slight anti-social effect.

If you choose to not believe this I don't know what to tell you bigt! You can take it from a guy who has worked with teens over the last decade, you can look at ALL the national and state data, or you can just believe what it seems like you want to be true. I know when I was growing up my friends and I experimented and did way crazier things than this generation of kids who are just as likely to play video games or be on social media on friday night than be out partying.

the state of Indiana has just passed a bill increasing the tax on a pack of cigarettes by a dollar because teen smoking is so high-aren't cigarettes now considered a drug[nicotine]...also Indiana is getting ready to pass a bill outlawing otc ephedra[Sudafed/bronkaid], making it by prescription only due to the high meth use among teens. many states have decriminalized pot, so if there are no arrests what does that do to statistics....just a few examples!!!

 

[Geoforce]

the state of Indiana has just passed a bill increasing the tax on a pack of cigarettes by a dollar because teen smoking is so high-aren't cigarettes now considered a drug[nicotine]...also Indiana is getting ready to pass a bill outlawing otc ephedra[Sudafed/bronkaid], making it by prescription only due to the high meth use among teens. many states have decriminalized pot, so if there are no arrests what does that do to statistics....just a few examples!!!

You realize teen smoking is down double from 1993? States should pass laws to limit meth use, but if I showed you it was down would you ignore it? As for the decriminalization of pot none of the studies we looked at used the statistic of arrest anyway.

 

[Geoforce]

For 2000-2010 Indiana high school students smoking declined by 45%
56% in middle school.

Meth:

Meth is nasty stuff, and teens get that. Only 1% of teens (8th, 10th, and 12th graders) used meth in 2012—reflecting a steady decline since 1999. The number of adults using meth dropped too: About 133,000 people tried meth in 2012, down more than 50% from 2002 to 2004.

 

[thebigt]

You realize teen smoking is down double from 1993? States should pass laws to limit meth use, but if I showed you it was down would you ignore it? As for the decriminalization of pot none of the studies we looked at used the statistic of arrest anyway.

I wouldn't ignore it, if it is true I would embrace it!!!

so, the studies are based on inquiry's? wouldn't arrest's be more accurate?

in the end I believe we both seek the same objective...a better America for everyone.

 

[Dirty Dan]

I just went back and read the first few pages from July for shîts and giggles. It's crazy how drastic some of the opinions here in this thread have changed, along with how "real" the fact that Donald Trump may be our next president.

 

[Geoforce]

I wouldn't ignore it, if it is true I would embrace it!!!

so, the studies are based on inquiry's? wouldn't arrest's be more accurate?

in the end I believe we both seek the same objective...a better America for everyone.

Arrests have their own issues, but tell the same story as the nationwide/state inquiries. Absolutely a better America for all. I happen to think our country is currently pretty kick ass though we should always strive to do better.

After a period of substantial growth through the 1990s, the juvenile arrest rate for drug abuse violations generally declined through 2014.

 

[thebigt]

Arrests have their own issues, but tell the same story as the nationwide/state inquiries. Absolutely a better America for all. I happen to think our country is currently pretty kick ass though we should always strive to do better.

I have a hard time finding issue with that....I guess every generation as it gets older longs for the way it was.

my parents generation must have freaked at the craziness of the 60's and 70's, lol.

 

[thebigt]

Geoforce

I will concede that teen drug use is down...but I still think Obama has failed miserably as the 1st black president!!!

 

[Geoforce]

Geoforce

I will concede that teen drug use is down...but I still think Obama has failed miserably as the 1st black president!!!

My biggest disappointment with Obama is he has continued many of the same failed policies as GWB.

And I believe it is criminal that Republicans and Democrats could not come together for true Wall Street reform in the wake of one of the biggest financial disasters in American history.

But God forbid our politicians work together. Much much better to be ideologically pure as driven snow than attempt to work across the aisle.

 

[Misfit28]

Lots happened after I logged off for the night

So, about that food desert thing For those that deny that they exist, can you please postulate exactly why you think that?

And FWIW, I do try to take other people's viewpoints into consideration. I am trained as an Anthropologist (Archaeology/GIS in my Undergraduate training, Medical and Urban Anthropology in Graduate), and make an effort to make myself aware of my own biases. For instance, I have a very big bias against Christians, and I have to try VERY hard to overcome that every day. The same can be said for rich people and Republicans as well. I also can't fathom dismissing all research. In the end, I see myself as standing up for the minority most of the time. That can be ethnic/racial minorities, religious minorities, etc. I get very passionate about the causes I support.

The bottom line is this: I'm going to strive as hard as I can not to resort to name calling any more and have cogent, civil discussion. I come off as trying to "educate" other people and seem to be dismissive to other's viewpoints, but posting on an internet forum has no body language or emotion for context

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I logged on and saw 138 new posts in this thread, hahaha! I'm out, I can't keep up. It's like they say - politics and religion will get people going. We'll see what happens in Nov.

 

[Misfit28]

I logged on and saw 138 new posts in this thread, hahaha! I'm out, I can't keep up. It's like they say - politics and religion will get people going. We'll see what happens in Nov.

Can't blame you, LOL!

 

[youngandfree]

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Largest food stamp fraud bust.

 

[Misfit28]

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Largest food stamp fraud bust.

So, who are you saying is most to blame here? The recipients, or the fraudulent store owners? Seems to me that if the store owners didn't engage in the fraud, the recipients wouldn't be able to take part.

What is your suggested solution?

 

[Misfit28]

Geoforce

I will concede that teen drug use is down...but I still think Obama has failed miserably as the 1st black president!!!

I guess I just don't see why he has to be held to a higher standard than other presidents simply because he is black. Please explain?

I'm asking this because of your choice of words. You made it obvious, to me at least, that you are emphasizing his ethnicity. Just because he is black does not mean that other black people will always listen to him.

 

[ax1]

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Largest food stamp fraud bust.

At least we know they want to try to crack down on the fraud. I would take it to the level where if you are a food stamp person and get caught in a scam such as this that you get hit with a food stamp ban for life.

 

[Misfit28]

At least we know they want to try to crack down on the fraud. I would take it to the level where if you are a food stamp person and get caught in a scam such as this that you get hit with a food stamp ban for life.

I can agree with that to an extent. I would wager that most of the people doing this are just trying to provide for their family, I doubt the recipients are getting rich off of this.

The store owners make the most money in these schemes, off the back of the taxpayer. Somehow though, the food stamp recipients seem to be demonized more than the merchants who are enabling it.

I wonder why that is?

 

[ax1]

Geoforce

I will concede that teen drug use is down...but I still think Obama has failed miserably as the 1st black president!!!

I would like to see just a bit more details. First, marijuanna use shouldnt even count imo, but it is so let it be. What I really want to know is if heavy drug use is up or down with teens such as cocaine, heroin, and other chemistry type stuff.

If marijuanna use went up or down with teens I really would just glance over it and ignore it if it went up.

I find it interesting too how these statistics are designed as when I was a teen nobody counted all the masses of kids doing drugs in my school. I mean if they are counting only cases where kids get caught, maybe kids are getting better at concealing their drugs.

 

[ax1]

I can agree with that to an extent. I would wager that most of the people doing this are just trying to provide for their family, I doubt the recipients are getting rich off of this.

The store owners make the most money in these schemes, off the back of the taxpayer. Somehow though, the food stamp recipients seem to be demonized more than the merchants who are enabling it.

I say prison sentence for the enablers, less harsh for the regular people such as the food stamp ban and maybe a 3 strike policy and you go to prison too.

 

[Gutterpump]

I think most people favor genital warts over politicians.

Problem is, Trump isn't even a politician, never has been. I have no idea what qualified him to run for POTUS when he's never sat in office once. It never should've been allowed. He has no qualifications to run or serve as president.

 

[Misfit28]

Food stamps and welfare are a tricky subject for me.

I feel like they should be there when people need them, but they shouldn't be relied upon forever. It seems though that some resent people simply for needing them temporarily. If I didn't need them, I would feel grateful for not needing them, rather than begrudge the ones that actually need it.

The problem here is that it seems to me that people tend to judge others simply for using them, without enough information to properly judge whether they "need" them or not, or even how long they have been using said assistance.

They have apparently met government criteria in order to receive them, so perhaps more intensive screening is necessary to determine need?

It's a very slippery slope, IMO, and one that requires deeper though and less kneejerk reaction.

 

[ax1]

Problem is, Trump isn't even a politician, never has been. I have no idea what qualified him to run for POTUS when he's never sat in office once. It never should've been allowed. He has no qualifications to run or serve as president.

The majority of politicians are not qualified to be politicians. Many belong behind the slammer such as our current president and Hitlery.

If someone runs in any race and says they are a career politition that doesnt impress me. The Trump empire, be it whatever it is is far more impressive than a communist community organizer, or in Hitlery's case lawyers who knowingly defends child rapists.

 

[Misfit28]

The majority of politicians are not qualified to be politicians. Many belong behind the slammer such as our current president and Hitlery.

If someone runs in any race and says they are a career politition that doesnt impress me. The Trump empire, be it whatever it is is far more impressive than a communist community organizer, or in Hitlery's case lawyers who knowingly defends child rapists.

Trump doesn't impress me at all, tbh.
Not saying Hitlery does either, but I really don't respect Dump at all.

 

[ax1]

Food stamps and welfare are a tricky subject for me.

I feel like they should be there when people need them, but they shouldn't be relied upon forever. It seems though that some resent people simply for needing them temporarily. If I didn't need them, I would feel grateful for not needing them, rather than begrudge the ones that actually need it.

The problem here is that it seems to me that people tend to judge others simply for using them, without enough information to properly judge whether they "need" them or not, or even how long they have been using said assistance.

They have apparently met government criteria in order to receive them, so perhaps more intensive screening is necessary to determine need?

It's a very slippery slope, IMO, and one that requires deeper though and less kneejerk reaction.

Try something alternative....instead of food stamps where people buy chips a hoy and doritos, have local Pantry boxes assigned to those who are qualified and they can pick up their boxes on a weekly basis and also be subject to randomized screening.

We can greatly cut costs and encourage healthier eating....ALTHOUGH based on real life evidence such as the public education system the government will give people cheap starchy crap anyways. We just have to fight for this too.

 

[ax1]

Trump doesn't impress me at all, tbh.
Not saying Hitlery does either, but I really don't respect Dump at all.

How does one who have maintained a billion dollar empire not impress you? Even if he inherited a billion to start, I know people that inherit money and go broke a year later, or you hear stories of people who win the lottery and go broke.

His accomplishments are impressive.

 

[youngandfree]

Problem is, Trump isn't even a politician, never has been. I have no idea what qualified him to run for POTUS when he's never sat in office once. It never should've been allowed. He has no qualifications to run or serve as president.

Which part of the qualifications for POTUS listed in the Constitution say the person needs to have held any political office?

Hell people cry about how discriminatory the Constitution is as written, it never even listed the candidate has to be white or even a man, since women were property also back then.

 

[Misfit28]

How does one who have maintained a billion dollar empire not impress you? Even if he inherited a billion to start, I know people that inherit money and go broke a year later, or you hear stories of people who win the lottery and go broke.

His accomplishments are impressive.

Not to me. Helping your fellow man is more impressive to me than amassing a huge fortune.

This may be immediately dismissed as liberal media bias, but an interesting read nonetheless:

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[Misfit28]

Which part of the qualifications for POTUS listed in the Constitution say the person needs to have held any political office?

Hell people cry about how discriminatory the Constitution is as written, it never even listed the candidate has to be white or even a man, since women were property also back then.

Why would it list that the candidate has to be white? If you weren't considered to even be human, how would that even be a possibility?!

 

[ax1]

Not to me. Helping your fellow man is more impressive to me than amassing a huge fortune.

This may be immediately dismissed as liberal media bias, but an interesting read nonetheless:

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I cant read that, Im not a subscriber.

Your not wrong imo, we about half way meet. I find the Dalai Lama's accomplishments far more impressive than Trumps.

Those are really two distinct categories though. If I was to open a business and want to take over the county, Id be looking to hire Trump rather than the Dalai Lama. Its just not a fair comparison.

Im heading out the door, back on later.

 

[Misfit28]

How does one who have maintained a billion dollar empire not impress you? Even if he inherited a billion to start, I know people that inherit money and go broke a year later, or you hear stories of people who win the lottery and go broke.

His accomplishments are impressive.

Also, if he had simply taken his father's inheritance and thrown it into an indexed fund he would be worth even more now. How does that prove his business acumen?

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[Misfit28]

I cant read that, Im not a subscriber.

Your not wrong imo, we about half way meet. I find the Dalai Lama's accomplishments far more impressive than Trumps.

Those are really two distinct categories though. If I was to open a business and want to take over the county, Id be looking to hire Trump rather than the Dalai Lama. Its just not a fair comparison.

Im heading out the door, back on later.

Weird, I'm not a subscriber either.

 

[Misfit28]

Food stamps and welfare are a tricky subject for me.

I feel like they should be there when people need them, but they shouldn't be relied upon forever. It seems though that some resent people simply for needing them temporarily. If I didn't need them, I would feel grateful for not needing them, rather than begrudge the ones that actually need it.

The problem here is that it seems to me that people tend to judge others simply for using them, without enough information to properly judge whether they "need" them or not, or even how long they have been using said assistance.

They have apparently met government criteria in order to receive them, so perhaps more intensive screening is necessary to determine need?

It's a very slippery slope, IMO, and one that requires deeper though and less kneejerk reaction.

An addendum to this rant. How come the poor people selling their food stamps get so demonized, while rich bankers who screw the taxpayers out of tons of money never get penalized?