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89coupe said:
And there it is!!! First you think that we should be responsible for the human rights of the world and now you think we should stay out of other countries business! By the way I grew up poor and busted my ass yo make something of myself. No spoon here!!!
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Sure you did. Did you grow up in a peripheral country? Thought not.

"Poor" is so subjective.
 
Dma378 said:
You'd be surprised the 50% I agree with.

That's the thing, these generalizations are made, so someone will take one comment I make and attach 3 or 4 additional assumptions to it. Because I'm a realist and don't favor deporting 11 million people, doesn't mean I want to give them free shiit, give the rest of the world free shiit, neglect our own, etc. I'm not fuking stupid, I'm just a realist and I place my values in the real world and how to maximize current situations to benefit society. And deportation of 11,000,000 isn't realistic. Get it out of your heads.
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geez, all that-and I was only attempting humor, lol. you and I actually agree on way more than we disagree!!! :wave2:
 
ax1 said:
No, I support enforcing our immigration laws and sending them back to their homeland.

I dont want them to pay taxes as I dont support income tax.
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Nice,, let's pay for the mass deportation of 11.1 immigrants. That'll help our economy. Let's also build a wall to keep the rapist and thieves(Mexican immigrants) out, right?

Since granting amnesty and paying taxes the way that Americans already do is so absurd.
 
Dma378 said:
You'd be surprised the 50% I agree with.

That's the thing, these generalizations are made, so someone will take one comment I make and attach 3 or 4 additional assumptions to it. Because I'm a realist and don't favor deporting 11 million people, doesn't mean I want to give them free shiit, give the rest of the world free shiit, neglect our own, etc. I'm not fuking stupid, I'm just a realist and I place my values in the real world and how to maximize current situations to benefit society. And deportation of 11,000,000 isn't realistic. Get it out of your heads.
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We can put them in prison for their crimes and they can make license plates and book our plane tickets like the other prisoners do and they get their health care too.
 
Matthandyo said:
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Nice,, let's pay for the mass deportation of 11.1 immigrants. That'll help our economy. Let's also build a wall to keep the rapist and thieves(Mexican immigrants) out, right?

Since granting amnesty and paying taxes the way that Americans already do is so absurd.
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It costs alot more money to keep them here for a lifetime. This country is 20 trillion in deficit, you just slowly round them up and send them home. It wont happen over night, but it must be done and send a message to those looking to come here.

We also take out the incentives by eliminating ALL socialist policies such as welfare, medicare, etc....

Im not into making emotional decisions, its going to hurt us in the long run.
 
89coupe said:
And there it is!!! First you think that we should be responsible for the human rights of the world and now you think we should stay out of other countries business! By the way I grew up poor and busted my ass yo make something of myself. No spoon here!!!
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Because nothing says strong and smart military like "bomb and kill everyone"

Because you're parents were poor growing up(as were mine) you think that everyone else needs to struggle as bad or worse than you did. Seems like a ****ty to way to think on the day to day
 
thebigt said:
geez, all that-and I was only attempting humor, lol. you and I actually agree on way more than we disagree!!! :wave2:
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Oh, only the first sentence was a response to you!! Sorry LOL

And the rest wasn't directed at anybody in particular, just kind of stating that wanting one thing doesn't lead to x, y and z
 
ax1 said:
It costs alot more money to keep them here for a lifetime. This country is 20 trillion in deficit, you just slowly round them up and send them home. It wont happen over night, but it must be done and send a message to those looking to come here.

We also take out the incentives by eliminating ALL socialist policies such as welfare, medicare, etc....

Im not into making emotional decisions, its going to hurt us in the long run.
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So make them legal and pay taxes and strengthen the borders. Unless you just happen to not like Mexicans or other immigrants and prefer the "roundup" method.

Guess you want to get rid of high ways and public schools in general too huh
 
ax1 said:
We can put them in prison for their crimes and they can make license plates and book our plane tickets like the other prisoners do and they get their health care too.
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Talk about the ultimate welfare system. Prison Nation baby.
 
Matthandyo said:
Because nothing says strong and smart military like "bomb and kill everyone"

Because you're parents were poor growing up(as were mine) you think that everyone else needs to struggle as bad or worse than you did. Seems like a ****ty to way to think on the day to day
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dang, you ok? you seem a little hostile today...

I really don't think there are any bad guys in this thread, we just have differences in opinions. I would like to think we all have the best interests of this country at heart-even you, although we differ in what those best interests might be!!!
 
Matthandyo said:
So make them legal and pay taxes and strengthen the borders. Unless you just happen to not like Mexicans or other immigrants and prefer the "roundup" method.

Guess you want to get rid of high ways and public schools in general too huh
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They can try to come here legally after they are sent back for breaking the law and sneaking over here in the first place. They know what they were doing was agaisnt the law, we simply need to enforce the laws and send them back.

In no way would I steal their money or anybody else's and tax the fruits of their labor.

All you need to do is ID people and a need to need basis and arrest them when they cant provide prove of residence. You can interrogate and get leads to other illegals. Its not complicated at all. They dont need to be Mexicans, stop making this racial. Its all about legal and illegal. There are plenty of Chinese and Europeans, etc....that all will be subject to the same laws.
 
Dma378 said:
You'd be surprised the 50% I agree with.

That's the thing, these generalizations are made, so someone will take one comment I make and attach 3 or 4 additional assumptions to it. Because I'm a realist and don't favor deporting 11 million people, doesn't mean I want to give them free shiit, give the rest of the world free shiit, neglect our own, etc. I'm not fuking stupid, I'm just a realist and I place my values in the real world and how to maximize current situations to benefit society. And deportation of 11,000,000 isn't realistic. Get it out of your heads.
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I don't think we should deport them without a reason. I'm not saying to hunt them down, I just think we should try and stop the steady influx and quit giving them a free ride. If they are here and find a way to support themselves legally so be it.
 
Dma378 said:
Talk about the ultimate welfare system. Prison Nation baby.
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Here is an idea....get caught here illegally you have an option to stay. All you need to do is serve the country and enlist in the Military and serve at least 2 terms on the battlefield fighting Obama's own ISIS militants in the middle east.
 
Im feeling alot like Trump I cant believe it...

Its really silly, Illegal immigrants came here ILLEGALLY...its the only reason needed to justify deportation, its not complicated. They are criminals by choice. They know the risks and were willing to take it in the first place. Its not the fault of Americans they broke our laws.
 
ax1 said:
Here is an idea....get caught here illegally you have an option to stay. All you need to do is serve the country and enlist in the Military and serve at least 2 terms on the battlefield fighting Obama's own ISIS militants in the middle east.
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using conscripts in the military is what brought down the roman army.
 
ax1 said:
They can try to come here legally after they are sent back for breaking the law and sneaking over here in the first place. They know what they were doing was agaisnt the law, we simply need to enforce the laws and send them back.

In no way would I steal their money or anybody else's and tax the fruits of their labor.

All you need to do is ID people and a need to need basis and arrest them when they cant provide prove of residence. You can interrogate and get leads to other illegals. Its not complicated at all. They dont need to be Mexicans, stop making this racial. Its all about legal and illegal. There are plenty of Chinese and Europeans, etc....that all will be subject to the same laws.
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You're disregarding the cost of deportation of 11.1 million vs amnesty and new tax payers. Why not grant amnesty and strengthen the border, not a wall like trump and saying per say but possibly make it easier for legal immigration which would cut back on illegal immigration.

Also sounds like you're for a roundup and harassment of certain nationalities.
 
thebigt said:
dang, you ok? you seem a little hostile today...

I really don't think there are any bad guys in this thread, we just have differences in opinions. I would like to think we all have the best interests of this country at heart-even you, although we differ in what those best interests might be!!!
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Lol I'm good bro, in no way am I trying to personally insult anyone here. I just have some strong opinions and love talkin politics. I'm a liberal in southern georgia LOL
 
Matthandyo said:
You're disregarding the cost of deportation of 11.1 million vs amnesty and new tax payers. Why not grant amnesty and strengthen the border, not a wall like trump and saying per say but possibly make it easier for legal immigration which would cut back on illegal immigration.

Also sounds like you're for a roundup and harassment of certain nationalities.
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What about the thousands of people from other countries trying to come here legally? Do they not matter?
Here's a question for you. If you through a party and invited 20 people and 1,000 showed up would you let them in?
 
Matthandyo said:
You're disregarding the cost of deportation of 11.1 million vs amnesty and new tax payers. Why not grant amnesty and strengthen the border, not a wall like trump and saying per say but possibly make it easier for legal immigration which would cut back on illegal immigration.

Also sounds like you're for a roundup and harassment of certain nationalities.
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Not to mention the secondary cost of the backlash. Crime, broken families, assaults on officers, pay for more services for the people left without. It doesn't make sense. Not to mention the void in the work force. Sounds so simple, just deport them they're illegal. Mmmmkay sure.

Does the border need to be secured? Yes. Absolutely.

Does there need to be an effective system in place to get these people helping instead of hurting the system? Yes.

But yeah, go taking Mothers and Fathers out of homes, see what happens LOLOLOLOL
 
Matthandyo said:
So make them legal and pay taxes and strengthen the borders. Unless you just happen to not like Mexicans or other immigrants
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It's not about, not liking Mexicans or other immigrants. It's about them being here illegally BREAKING THE LAW. why should they be rewarded for that. If someone breaks the law they are supposed to get punished right?
 
Dma378 said:
Not to mention the secondary cost of the backlash. Crime, broken families, assaults on officers, pay for more services for the people left without. It doesn't make sense. Not to mention the void in the work force. Sounds so simple, just deport them they're illegal. Mmmmkay sure.

Does the border need to be secured? Yes. Absolutely.

Does there need to be an effective system in place to get these people helping instead of hurting the system? Yes.

But yeah, go taking Mothers and Fathers out of homes, see what happens LOLOLOLOL
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Take their underage kids with them.
 
Matthandyo said:
You're disregarding the cost of deportation of 11.1 million vs amnesty and new tax payers. Why not grant amnesty and strengthen the border, not a wall like trump and saying per say but possibly make it easier for legal immigration which would cut back on illegal immigration.

Also sounds like you're for a roundup and harassment of certain nationalities.
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I dont support the income tax system, so that wouldnt work for me. I believe its very cost effective to deport illegal immigrants.

All nationalities are subject to the same laws, please stopping making this racial over and over again.
 
Dma378 said:
Not to mention the secondary cost of the backlash. Crime, broken families, assaults on officers, pay for more services for the people left without. It doesn't make sense. Not to mention the void in the work force. Sounds so simple, just deport them they're illegal. Mmmmkay sure.

Does the border need to be secured? Yes. Absolutely.

Does there need to be an effective system in place to get these people helping instead of hurting the system? Yes.

But yeah, go taking Mothers and Fathers out of homes, see what happens LOLOLOLOL
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The families were already broken before they illegally came here right? They would simply comply with the law and get deported. They have nobody to blame but themselves. The families are welcome to follow them back home.

If these people revolt just because they dont want to face the crimes they willingly broke, It certainly would want me to support the deployment of the national guard to finish the job and restore order and law.
 
youngandfree said:
So you're saying we are going to have millions of illegal minors rioting because they have to go hone.
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Yes. Because every illegal's relatives are just a bunch minors. Jesus Christ that's retarded I'm sorry. And I'm not just talking about rioting. I'm talking about the effect it will have on the family structure and the consequences that ensue from that. What are our prisons full of? What types of families did they come from? What types of environments did they live in? Come on man, it's bigger than just a 1-2 process. There are repercussions that extend far beyond little kids being sad. wtf
 
Dma378 said:
Yes. Because every illegal's relatives are just a bunch minors. Jesus Christ that's retarded I'm sorry. And I'm not just talking about rioting. I'm talking about the effect it will have on the family structure and the consequences that ensue from that. What are our prisons full of? What types of families did they come from? What types of environments did they live in? Come on man, it's bigger than just a 1-2 process. There are repercussions that extend far beyond little kids being sad. wtf
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The families here can work to bring them here legally, or they can go to their home country to bring the "family structure" together. Just because certain families made a choice to abandon their own families back home doesnt mean all their relatives have the right to illegally sneak across the border and break the laws here.
 
ax1 said:
The families here can work to bring them here legally, or they can go to their home country to bring the "family structure" together. Just because certain families made a choice to abandon their own families back home doesnt mean all their relatives have the right to illegally sneak across the border and break the laws here.
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Oh well, I'm not going to convince 5 or 6 forum folks. Fortunately you all are the minority and your big deportation agenda will never happen. Keep investing your emotions in lala land. I prefer to live in reality and what is. Enjoy your pent up frustration with the way things aren't.
 
Matthandyo said:
Lol I'm good bro, in no way am I trying to personally insult anyone here. I just have some strong opinions and love talkin politics. I'm a liberal in southern georgia LOL
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trump country, lol!!!
 
Dma378 said:
Oh well, I'm not going to convince 5 or 6 forum folks. Fortunately you all are the minority and your big deportation agenda will never happen. Keep investing your emotions in lala land. I prefer to live in reality and what is. Enjoy your pent up frustration with the way things aren't.
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Reality is that these politicians want and have let millions of these illegals sneak across the boarder for their own future political benefit. They couldnt give a crap about them or you or the United States Constitution. All they are is a future SS# and serve a purpose to promote their agenda which I wont get in to.
 
Dma378 said:
Oh well, I'm not going to convince 5 or 6 forum folks. Fortunately you all are the minority and your big deportation agenda will never happen. Keep investing your emotions in lala land. I prefer to live in reality and what is. Enjoy your pent up frustration with the way things aren't.
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I am curious, what are your thoughts on Ronald Reagan?
 
halfahardon said:
Well the drinks have been on the house for all these illegals for years now. I wouldn't want to go home either lol
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That's my point! If we stop the freebies a lot of them won't even want to come and many will leave on their own. You don't hunt them down but if they get into trouble you send them packing.
 
89coupe said:
That's my point! If we stop the freebies a lot of them won't even want to come and many will leave on their own. You don't hunt them down but if they get into trouble you send them packing.
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Yes no ebt cards when you have a $500 coach bag and the new iPhone
 
thebigt said:
I am curious, what are your thoughts on Ronald Reagan?
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Honestly don't know enough specifics. I was 10 when he left office. But I mean from what I know, the War on drugs is a failure, trickle down economics doesn't work, he sold weapons to the Iranians, supreme cover up artist, but people loved him. He made the Republican Party bed buddies with Christianity, he sent the country into enormous debt as well. So I guess you could say my opinion is negative. But people sure love him. I mean as if he did anything remotely as great as Lincoln, the party identifies itself as the party of LIncoln and Reagan.
 
89coupe said:
That's my point! If we stop the freebies a lot of them won't even want to come and many will leave on their own. You don't hunt them down but if they get into trouble you send them packing.
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I agree, we need to stop all these socialist broke policies and put an end to them. Get rid of the incentive for them to come here in the first place.
 
89coupe said:
That's my point! If we stop the freebies a lot of them won't even want to come and many will leave on their own. You don't hunt them down but if they get into trouble you send them packing.
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They already do. Do they come back? Yes. But ICE spends all it's resources deporting illegals who are caught committing crimes.
 
Dma378 said:
Honestly don't know enough specifics. I was 10 when he left office. But I mean from what I know, the War on drugs is a failure, trickle down economics doesn't work, he sold weapons to the Iranians, supreme cover up artist, but people loved him. He made the Republican Party bed buddies with Christianity, he sent the country into enormous debt as well. So I guess you could say my opinion is negative. But people sure love him. I mean as if he did anything remotely as great as Lincoln, the party identifies itself as the party of LIncoln and Reagan.
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He was a puppet, dont take the policies too personally. He tried to stand up, and then the Bush's almost assassinated him and that gave him the wakeup call on who is really in charge.
 
Dma378 said:
Honestly don't know enough specifics. I was 10 when he left office. But I mean from what I know, the War on drugs is a failure, trickle down economics doesn't work, he sold weapons to the Iranians, supreme cover up artist, but people loved him. He made the Republican Party bed buddies with Christianity, he sent the country into enormous debt as well. So I guess you could say my opinion is negative. But people sure love him. I mean as if he did anything remotely as great as Lincoln, the party identifies itself as the party of LIncoln and Reagan.
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yes, even lots of democrats voted for him, they still call them reagan democrats....do you know why?
 
Dma378 said:
They already do. Do they come back? Yes. But ICE spends all it's resources deporting illegals who are caught committing crimes.
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They don't even arrest 60% of illegals they encounter crossing the border, according to testimony in a Senate hearing.
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Dma378 said:
Never heard the term. Why?
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typo...supposed to be Reagan democrats!!!

because of pent up frustration over jimmy carter.....history repeats itself.....Ronald Reagan like trump was never expected to go far by the republican establishment. but carter's ultra liberalism just like obama's frustrated voters and they went with Reagan...even though Reagan was gov of California he was thought of as an outsider just like trump....when Reagan won the republican nomination he had many detractors within the party just like trump.

believe it or not but there are many parallels between Obama/carter..Reagan/trump....lets hope that just like reagan trump will win also!!!
 
youngandfree said:
They don't even arrest 60% of illegals they encounter crossing the border, according to testimony in a Senate hearing.
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Excactly, they want them here to transform this country into a big government bureaucratic socialist state and have our sovereignty completely lost to global governance.

This is the equivalent of a foreign invasion and they must be taken care of.
 
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