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Donald Trump running for president

Dma378 said:
This is why it is beneficial to make everybody have insurance. The reason premiums and medical cost is so outrageous is the cost of caring for the uninsured. So the idea is to get coverage for everybody, Yes touting the bill for now, then over time costs will drop as there is no longer a need to cover the uninsured.

But you know, people don't know how to think in terms of 10-15 years down the road. Only today and my wallet today. Fu*k the future.
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Yes, exactly!

In all reality, I ****ing hate money. In the grand scheme it is a worthless human invention that means nothing lol.

That's a discussion for another time, though. I'm sure people think I'm bat****, lol.
 
We are already paying for them where do you think the funding for both of those programs come from!!! It also is depleting the funds to be able to help the people who are legal citizens. Here's an idea kick them out and make them come in legally and maybe they will be able to find a decent job. There is a long list of people trying to come into this country the right way. How pissed do get if someone cuts in front of you inline and that's probably for something trivial.
 
89coupe said:
We are already paying for them where do you think the funding for both of those programs come from!!! It also is depleting the funds to be able to help the people who are legal citizens. Here's an idea kick them out and make them come in legally and maybe they will be able to find a decent job. There is a long list of people trying to come into this country the right way. How pissed do get if someone cuts in front of you inline and that's probably for something trivial.
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I also agree with this. Except for the kicking them all out part. That alone would make our Medicaid cost look like a drop in the bucket. The project itself and then the ensuing war would cause a backlash that would far outweigh the cost of getting healthcare to them now. Lesser of 2 evils if you will.
 
Dma378 said:
This isn't the point I'm trying to make. Look I think Cruz is a dirt bag. But if he were to be President, I would feel confident that the nation wasn't afloat due to absolute ignorance. I'm talking about policy. Which is what this particular position requires. It seems like that's forgotten and replaced with the desire for entertainment.
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ok, here is my take...the republican establishment knew what they were getting with Donald trump, they even had him sign an agreement not to run as a independent. now that he is winning they are freaking out and trying to find any way they can of robbing trump of the nomination.

we have elections for a reason, we even try to spread the idea of free elections all around the globe. it makes me sick that the American people have freely voted for Donald trump and now the republican establishment are trying to negate those peoples vote. the last I heard free elections means the people are free to vote for whomever they choose....if cruz comes back and legally gets more votes than trump then I am ok with that...on the otherhand if the republican establishment pulls some dirty tricks to get that chump Rubio nominated then I am pissed....if MARCO RUBIO IS NOMINATED AS REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON...not only that but I will vote democratic for every election until all of those republican crooks are gone!!!
 
It's funny noone talks about the bankruptcies of Trump's businesses. I wonder who ended up paying for the bailout of all those banks?

I know, "Blame Obama". However, Trump sure took advantage of that for his own personal gain.

Shrewd business moves, I know. It's all part of capitalism, blah, blah, blah. He didn't lose his own personal fortune that he built from a "small" loan of a million dollars from his father, though. He did have to sell a plane and a mega-yacht. Boo hoo.
 
thebigt said:
ok, here is my take...the republican establishment knew what they were getting with Donald trump, they even had him sign an agreement not to run as a independent. now that he is winning they are freaking out and trying to find any way they can of robbing trump of the nomination.

we have elections for a reason, we even try to spread the idea of free elections all around the globe. it makes me sick that the American people have freely voted for Donald trump and now the republican establishment are trying to negate those peoples vote. the last I heard free elections means the people are free to vote for whomever they choose....if cruz comes back and legally gets more votes than trump then I am ok with that...on the otherhand if the republican establishment pulls some dirty tricks to get that chump Rubio nominated then I am pissed....if MARCO RUBIO IS NOMINATED AS REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON...not only that but I will vote democratic for every election until all of those republican crooks are gone!!!
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It's gonna get crazy. And I'll be holding you to these words sir!! LOL
 
Dma378 said:
It's gonna get crazy. And I'll be holding you to these words sir!! LOL
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you have no idea how pissed off the republican establishment is making me....the whole idea of free elections is being thrown out the window!!!!

if the republican establishment pull dirty tricks to get that chump marco Rubio elected the republican party is dead!!!

I WILL VOTE FOR MY ARCH-ENEMY HILLARY CLINTON IF RUBIO IS NOMINATED!!!!
 
Dma378 said:
I also agree with this. Except for the kicking them all out part. That alone would make our Medicaid cost look like a drop in the bucket. The project itself and then the ensuing war would cause a backlash that would far outweigh the cost of getting healthcare to them now. Lesser of 2 evils if you will.
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Which country is going to start a war with us for deporting illegals? Subsidizing illegals with medicaid and welfarw, which they aren't supposed to be getting, costs much more than leaving them in their home country and not flying them here, adding to the numbers of illegals.
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youngandfree said:
Which country is going to start a war with us for deporting illegals? Subsidizing illegals with medicaid and welfarw, which they aren't supposed to be getting, costs much more than leaving them in their home country and not flying them here, adding to the numbers of illegals.
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The families attached to them here. That's where the war would come from.
 
Misfit28 said:
It's funny noone talks about the bankruptcies of Trump's businesses. I wonder who ended up paying for the bailout of all those banks?

I know, "Blame Obama". However, Trump sure took advantage of that for his own personal gain.

Shrewd business moves, I know. It's all part of capitalism, blah, blah, blah. He didn't lose his own personal fortune that he built from a "small" loan of a million dollars from his father, though. He did have to sell a plane and a mega-yacht. Boo hoo.
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Who pays for a bankruptcy? What makes you think the government subsidizes creditors that are left hanging? TARP and the auto bailout aren't how actual bankruptcies happen. Remember during the auto bailout, the government actually broke bankruptcy protocol by moving the unions ahead of the list of creditors in terms of who gets paid by GM. Creditors were left getting pennies on the dollar for what they were owed. Yet the unions were allowed to much more than they were legally entitled to.
 
Misfit28 said:
We pay more for white Americans than "illegals".

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do you have a problem with that? wasn't the welfare system set up to help americans? do you think the welfare laws would have passed if they knew when they passed those laws that they would be covering illegal immigrants?
 
Dma378 said:
The families attached to them here. That's where the war would come from.
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Again, to follow up this statement...

The backlash that would occur from this from Hispanic residents, young and poor, would be astronomical in terms of cost. Don't forget the cost of crime and incarceration on taxpayers. Go ahead, get them fired up. You think Black Lives Matters is bad for cops, yeah deport 11 million immigrants and see what kind of cost it incurs.
 
thebigt said:
do you have a problem with that? wasn't the welfare system set up to help americans? do you think the welfare laws would have passed if they knew when they passed those laws that they would be covering illegal immigrants?
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They're NOT!
 
Misfit28 said:
They're NOT!
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WHAT DO YOU CALL FREE HEALTH CARE? many americans declare bankruptcy every year for medical bills they cannot pay...while illegals get free medical care!!! how can you justify this/
 
Oh, look. A peer-reviewed article showing immigrants use less health care than their share of the population.

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But then the stupid states go and vote to let exemptions take place.

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So again, who are we mad at? Feds or States?
 
Misfit28 said:
It's funny noone talks about the bankruptcies of Trump's businesses. I wonder who ended up paying for the bailout of all those banks?

I know, "Blame Obama". However, Trump sure took advantage of that for his own personal gain.

Shrewd business moves, I know. It's all part of capitalism, blah, blah, blah. He didn't lose his own personal fortune that he built from a "small" loan of a million dollars from his father, though. He did have to sell a plane and a mega-yacht. Boo hoo.
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Whats funny is that rich people like Warren Buffett pay less taxes each year then his secretary and nobody cares. Oh that's right he is just using programs that our government created just like the bankruptcy laws. Tons of business take advantage of the bankruptcy laws and don't think for a second that the loopholes they are exploiting are there by accident.
 
Dma378 said:
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Emergency care only. Stop believing the propaganda.
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you ever get a emergency room bill? ever use the ER for minor illnesses because it is free? if they are admitted it is free also....not to mention pre natal care and delivery of a baby that is a automatic citizen.

every single legal American is required by law to have health insurance, and yet we treat illegals for free...here's my plan, if they come to the ER to be treated and are undocumented then they get treated and are automatically deported once they are well enough...to me that sounds like a humane way of doing things!!!
 
Those whose immigration status check fails are enrolled in Medicaid or the health program for which they otherwise seem to qualify during the “reasonable opportunity period”.

From obamacarefacts.org. This reinforces what I linked to, saying state workers don't have authority to verify an immigrant's legal status, even if their documents provided are fraudulent. Therefor get enrolled into the programs.
 
thebigt said:
you ever get a emergency room bill? ever use the ER for minor illnesses because it is free? if they are admitted it is free also....not to mention pre natal care and delivery of a baby that is a automatic citizen.

every single legal American is required by law to have health insurance, and yet we treat illegals for free...here's my plan, if they come to the ER to be treated and are undocumented then they get treated and are automatically deported once they are well enough...to me that sounds like a humane way of doing things!!!
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Cmon you know that's not humane.

And I'm not saying they don't abuse this system. But the propaganda constantly spewed about giving illegals insurance is simply false.
 
youngandfree said:
Those whose immigration status check fails are enrolled in Medicaid or the health program for which they otherwise seem to qualify during the “reasonable opportunity period”.

From obamacarefacts.org. This reinforces what I linked to, saying state workers don't have authority to verify an immigrant's legal status, even if their documents provided are fraudulent. Therefor get enrolled into the programs.
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Did you read it all?
 
youngandfree said:
Those whose immigration status check fails are enrolled in Medicaid or the health program for which they otherwise seem to qualify during the “reasonable opportunity period”.

From obamacarefacts.org. This reinforces what I linked to, saying state workers don't have authority to verify an immigrant's legal status, even if their documents provided are fraudulent. Therefor get enrolled into the programs.
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Oh so a small portion. So they get enrolled to the program, then what? They get to use proper medical care instead of clogging up emergency rooms? Ok. I can accept that small portion.
 
The key word is "lawfully present". That means they are NOT undocumented or illegal.

Who has trouble with reading comprehension now?

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Dma378 said:
Again, to follow up this statement...

The backlash that would occur from this from Hispanic residents, young and poor, would be astronomical in terms of cost. Don't forget the cost of crime and incarceration on taxpayers. Go ahead, get them fired up. You think Black Lives Matters is bad for cops, yeah deport 11 million immigrants and see what kind of cost it incurs.
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So let me get this straight.... We should let them not only stay but keep coming and give them money, healthcare and free housing for the fear of war?!?!? Are you serious? We are already at war with some of them drug and gang wars! Oh and I have no problem with any legal citizen taking advantage of what our government offers them! If someone walked up to you and offered you $100 would you take it?
 
89coupe said:
So let me get this straight.... We should let them not only stay but keep coming and give them money, healthcare and free housing for the fear of war?!?!? Are you serious? We are already at war with some of them drug and gang wars! Oh and I have no problem with any legal citizen taking advantage of what our government offers them! If someone walked up to you and offered you $100 would you take it?
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Whoa you just added about 3 things to my point. Lol
 
Dma378 said:
Cmon you know that's not humane.

And I'm not saying they don't abuse this system. But the propaganda constantly spewed about giving illegals insurance is simply false.
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How is deporting someone and sending them back to where they came from in humane? If they were fleeing from somewhere, they would or should be seeking asylum.
 
treat them in the emergency room....when they are well enough to travel they get deported. where is the problem with that!!!
 
Obamacare has made "great changes "! Sense obamacare my health insurance has went from costing my $57 a week to $110 a week for almost as good of coverage
 
Dma378 said:
Cmon you know that's not humane.

And I'm not saying they don't abuse this system. But the propaganda constantly spewed about giving illegals insurance is simply false.
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So which is it? Health care or insurance? Because the government says health care is insurance. The link I posted from a NY state Senator says they do get insurance illegally, even though the law says they shouldnt.
 
The DHS and State were flying more illegal children here, for free, from Central America, to be with their illegal parents who were caught breaking the law. Send the parents home, don't bring their kids here too.
 
I don't know if Trump will be the best thing for this country but I know Hillary isn't! At very least Trump will be a change that will share both parties up and hopefully bring some long term changes.
 
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