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muscleupcrohn said:
No... they’re not MY women. I’m not inherently more attracted to a Jewish woman than any other woman just because I’m a Jewish man, for example. I have no right to any woman because we’re from the same “tribe.” If I’m in a consensual relationship, then of course I don’t want ANYONE f**king my woman, but that goes for people in my “tribe” or not; I don’t want a fellow Jew f**king my wife either...

You don’t even know what words mean man...
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I think he traveled to the present day on a time machine from the caveman days or something and somehow.
 
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What's could go wrong with those idiots touching the same ball... then their
own faces? Y'all should go to the beach and play ball....

We haven't peaked yet in FL, yet DeSatin has opened the beaches. Well,
those that were stupid enough to do so...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
No... they’re not MY women. I’m not inherently more attracted to a Jewish woman than any other woman just because I’m a Jewish man, for example. I have no right to any woman because we’re from the same “tribe.” If I’m in a consensual relationship, then of course I don’t want ANYONE f**king my woman, but that goes for people in my “tribe” or not; I don’t want a fellow Jew f**king my wife either...

You don’t even know what words mean man...
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I think he traveled to the present day on a time machine from the caveman days or something and somehow.
justhere4comm said:
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What's could go wrong with those idiots touching the same ball... then their
own faces? Y'all should go to the beach and play ball....

We haven't peaked yet in FL, yet DeSatin has opened the beaches. Well,
those that were stupid enough to do so...
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Get sick, get rest, drink chicken soup, stay away from the public and eventually you recover and life is back to normal, except now your immune and dont need to take a scary rushed vaccine.
 
ax1 said:
I think he traveled to the present day on a time machine from the caveman days or something and somehow.


Get sick, get rest, drink chicken soup, stay away from the public and eventually you recover and life is back to normal, except now your immune and dont need to take a scary rushed vaccine.
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Are you really suggesting that people intentionally catch the virus? For one, even if you don’t get it bad, you can be asymptotic and spread it unknowingly to other people who may not be so lucky before you become symptomatic and quarantine yourself. And how many people have underlying conditions that may make it worse if they catch it?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Are you really suggesting that people intentionally catch the virus? For one, even if you don’t get it bad, you can be asymptotic and spread it unknowingly to other people who may not be so lucky before you become symptomatic and quarantine yourself. And how many people have underlying conditions that may make it worse if they catch it?
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Not at all. High risk people should be quarantined until the curve flattens and goes downhill. I’d bet it would be far more cost efficient too and the economy would be running to help pay for it at least.

What the hell is this country going to do when a real crisis comes to fruition? After seeing all this I am not optimistic.
 
ax1 said:
Not at all. High risk people should be quarantined until the curve flattens and goes downhill.

What the hell is this country going to do when a real crisis comes to fruition? After seeing all this I am not optimistic.
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Based on the CDC’s list, like half of America is “high risk.” Obese, diabetes, elderly, asthma, heart conditions, immunocompromised, kidney disease, liver disease, smokers, etc.
 
My wife is a healthcare worker and essential / also high risk... you going to pay her to stay in quarantine?
How about those who are now exposed and have it? Do they move out if they live with a high risk person or risk infecting them? Your logic is faulty.

Opening too soon will create exponentially more exposures and death.
A second wave.
 
Ahhhh finally got my pull-up bar all set, this thing is a monster!

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justhere4comm said:
My wife is a healthcare worker and essential / also high risk... you going to pay her to stay in quarantine?
How about those who are now exposed and have it? Do they move out if they live with a high risk person or risk infecting them? Your logic is faulty.

Opening too soon will create exponentially more exposures and death.
A second wave.
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Thats not my call, what I know is this country is broke, King Cumho of NY is begging Dump for money because every press conference he keeps saying NY is broke, broke, broke, and if our system collapses your everyone will find themselves in a far worse position in the future than they do today.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Based on the CDC’s list, like half of America is “high risk.” Obese, diabetes, elderly, asthma, heart conditions, immunocompromised, kidney disease, liver disease, smokers, etc.
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Seems like they should put 2.3 trillion into that instead of Coronavirus doesnt it.
 
You have got to be F*CKING KIDDING ME!!!

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Oh, but we have:

- Better medical technology
- The internet and social media
- A more knowledgeable public
-...

Welcome to cave people.
 
justhere4comm said:
My wife is a healthcare worker and essential / also high risk... you going to pay her to stay in quarantine?
How about those who are now exposed and have it? Do they move out if they live with a high risk person or risk infecting them? Your logic is faulty.

Opening too soon will create exponentially more exposures and death.
A second wave.
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On another note, we are already paying to quarantine 10s of millions of people. Im just trying to be responsible and find a way to pay the bills.

My accountant suggested to me that the 350 million in chicken feed handed out to the surfs will cost the future 2 trillion!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
What? They’re high risk for COVID because of these conditions... not sure what you’re talking about man...
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Well whats worse, Covid or chronic disease? And why people who suffer from chronic disease had never been bailed out and left to drop to dead or suffer a miserable life because they had no money to get health care and all the sudden these very people matter at any cost even if the country collapses?
 
ax1 said:
Well whats worse, Covid or chronic disease? And why people who suffer from chronic disease had never been bailed out and left to drop to dead or suffer a miserable life because they had no money to get health care and all the sudden these very people matter at any cost even if the country collapses?
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They matter short term with COVID because they can die in the VERY SHORT TERM; it’s an ACUTE issue. You’re talking apples and oranges man... in the short/acute term, COVID is worse... 2% of people with asthma or diabetes aren’t going to die from it within a few months from now...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
They matter short term with COVID because they can die in the VERY SHORT TERM; it’s an ACUTE issue. You’re talking apples and oranges man... in the short/acute term, COVID is worse... 2% of people with asthma or diabetes aren’t going to die from it within a few months from now...
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Some 15 thousand kids EVERY single day die from malnutrition and starvation, how about forget covid and feel children.

Now that is a chronic VERY short term ACUTE issue.

Thats 15,000 every day, all children. 5.6 million in 2016.
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ax1 said:
Some 15 thousand kids EVERY single day die from malnutrition and starvation, how about forget covid and feel children.

Now that is a chronic VERY short term ACUTE issue.

Thats 15,000 every day, all children. 5.6 million in 2016.
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Why are you using GLOBAL statistics? Are you really suggesting the USA use money to end WORLD hunger? I thought the US shouldn’t be playing world savior? You’re really moving the goalposts now. Are you that stupid, or are you intentionally playing BS games here?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Why are you using GLOBAL statistics? Are you really suggesting the USA use money to end WORLD hunger? I thought the US shouldn’t be playing world savior? You’re really moving the goalposts now. Are you that stupid, or are you intentionally playing BS games here?
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COVID is a global pandemic and what Im doing is calling out the hypocrisy in society.

The fact is we can save more children today by a landslide than COVID.
 
ax1 said:
COVID is a global pandemic and what Im doing is calling out the hypocrisy in society.
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You’re moving the goalposts is what you’re doing... we were clearly talking about the US, US politicians, US policies, etc. and you use GLOBAL starvation statistics to pain a false picture of the issues. Let’s move on...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You’re moving the goalposts is what you’re doing... we were clearly talking about the US, US politicians, US policies, etc. and you use GLOBAL starvation statistics to pain a false picture of the issues. Let’s move on...
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The politicians all got in your head, thats whatsup :)
 
ax1 said:
The politicians all got in your head, thats whatsup :)
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Or I could say the billionaire businessmen who don’t want to lose profits got in yours? See? It’s stupid to say that anyone who disagrees with you only does so because someone “got in your head.”

There is NO easy or right answer here I’m afraid. That’s the point. No solution fixes all the problems, or doesn’t create some of its own. We can debate what’s best all day long, and both sides have merit, but it’s wrong to say that anyone who disagrees with YOU is wrong and only believes what they do because they’re brainwashed...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Or I could say the billionaire businessmen who don’t want to lose profits got in yours? See? It’s stupid to say that anyone who disagrees with you only does so because someone “got in your head.”

There is NO easy or right answer here I’m afraid. That’s the point. No solution fixes all the problems, or doesn’t create some of its own. We can debate what’s best all day long, and both sides have merit, but it’s wrong to say that anyone who disagrees with YOU is wrong and only believes what they do because they’re brainwashed...
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I think if they showed maps on TV every day last year with the regular flu with giant red pokidots and numbers of of to half million deaths globally, some 60k in US deaths you would be falling for the same exact tricks they are now with you.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Or I could say the billionaire businessmen who don’t want to lose profits got in yours? See? It’s stupid to say that anyone who disagrees with you only does so because someone “got in your head.”
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What got in my head is the 10s of millions of people who lost their jobs from a fabricated crisis (by that I dont mean its not a severe medical problem) trying to figure out how to make ends meet. I know what its like to go broke and homeless and thats that.
 
ax1 said:
I think if they showed maps on TV every day last year with the regular flu with giant red pokidots and numbers of of to half million deaths globally, some 60k in US deaths you would be falling for the same exact tricks they are now with you.
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No, I wouldn’t. I’m not as stupid as you seem to think I am.

Due to no vaccine or natural immunity, if left unchecked, COVID would spread to MANY more people than the flu.

The death rate of COVID is irrefutably higher than that of the normal flu. It may not be as high as it’s benign reported, but it’s still higher than the flu. This becomes even more problematic if, as I mentioned above, a ton of people catch it in a short period of time, as we’d overwhelm hospital capacity. This would drive up the death rate further.

When is the last time the flu was even remotely close to having people concerned it would overwhelm hospitals?

This is really a damned stupid argument on your part. You clearly don’t understand infectious diseases...
 
Fabricated?

Like I said. Anyone can go back to work as far as I care. Let’s see fabricated at full force.

And. Go.
We will carry on.
 
ax1 said:
What got in my head is the 10s of millions of people who lost their jobs from a fabricated crisis (by that I dont mean its not a severe medical problem) trying to figure out how to make ends meet. I know what its like to go broke and homeless and thats that.
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The crisis seems “fabricated” because the distancing measures to flatten the curve ARE WORKING. That’s the POINT!
 
justhere4comm said:
My wife is a healthcare worker and essential / also high risk... you going to pay her to stay in quarantine?
How about those who are now exposed and have it? Do they move out if they live with a high risk person or risk infecting them? Your logic is faulty.

Opening too soon will create exponentially more exposures and death.
A second wave.
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lots of 1st responders and frontline medical workers are separating from families to avoid putting them at risk....how about families of nursing home patients who can't visit?

there are practices that can be put in place to protect the most vulnerable.
 
thebigt said:
lots of 1st responders and frontline medical workers are separating from families to avoid putting them at risk....how about families of nursing home patients who can't visit?

there are practices that can be put in place to protect the most vulnerable.
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How are they staying separated from families? They’re paying two rents now?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
The crisis seems “fabricated” because the distancing measures to flatten the curve ARE WORKING. That’s the POINT!
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if medical people would have recommended wearing of masks a month ago the spread would have been much less, imo. I think masks could prove to be more effective than 6 feet distancing.

most hospitals have had the policy of telling people with colds/flu to wear masks for many years now!!!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
How are they staying separated from families? They’re paying two rents now?
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I googled it before I posted...some are living in tents, some in the garage-and some are bunking up with other 1st responders with no family. some cities are even paying for them a room.
 
thebigt said:
if medical people would have recommended wearing of masks a month ago the spread would have been much less, imo. I think masks could prove to be more effective than 6 feet distancing.

most hospitals have had the policy of telling people with colds/flu to wear masks for many years now!!!
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Fair point that if we had masks AND distancing in place already for a month, maybe things would be on a more fast-track to return to normal. Lots of people may have had it and been asymptotic, and spread it unknowingly; them wearing masks would have helped to slow the spread at the time. I don’t see why it would have had to have been either or.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Fair point that if we had masks AND distancing in place already for a month, maybe things would be on a more fast-track to return to normal. Lots of people may have had it and been asymptotic, and spread it unknowingly; them wearing masks would have helped to slow the spread at the time. I don’t see why it would have had to have been either or.
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it's a moot point now...but the medical profession failed[imo] in not recommending wearing of masks from the onset. I mean c'mon, it's been standard practice for doctors offices/hospitals to have people with symptoms of cold/flu to wear a mask for many years. they knew this could prevent spreading!!!
 
thebigt said:
it's a moot point now...but the medical profession failed[imo] in not recommending wearing of masks from the onset. I mean c'mon, it's been standard practice for doctors offices/hospitals to have people with symptoms of cold/flu to wear a mask for many years. they knew this could prevent spreading!!!
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Yeah. Even if most masks don’t protect the WEARER, they protect other people FROM the wearer. So if everyone wore masks, people would be protected, to a degree at least. Now, it doesn’t have to be N95 masks, which do protect the wearer, since we don’t have nearly enough of those, but even makeshift masks help prevent asymptotic people from unknowingly spreading it.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Yeah. Even if most masks don’t protect the WEARER, they protect other people FROM the wearer. So if everyone wore masks, people would be protected, to a degree at least. Now, it doesn’t have to be N95 masks, which do protect the wearer, since we don’t have nearly enough of those, but even makeshift masks help prevent asymptotic people from unknowingly spreading it.
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yes...the kind that have been readily available in doctors offices/hospitals for at least a decade now.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
No, I wouldn’t. I’m not as stupid as you seem to think I am.

Due to no vaccine or natural immunity, if left unchecked, COVID would spread to MANY more people than the flu.

The death rate of COVID is irrefutably higher than that of the normal flu. It may not be as high as it’s benign reported, but it’s still higher than the flu. This becomes even more problematic if, as I mentioned above, a ton of people catch it in a short period of time, as we’d overwhelm hospital capacity. This would drive up the death rate further.

When is the last time the flu was even remotely close to having people concerned it would overwhelm hospitals?

This is really a damned stupid argument on your part. You clearly don’t understand infectious diseases...
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I never said it wasnt worse, actually I think it is, but this is certainly not a crisis but rather a severe medical issue that needs to be dealt with on the medical side which I never have argued against. The policies put into place and for this long are completely irresponsible, when money runs out nobody is going to be taken care of. Whats sad is when a real crisis does come to our country this country will quickly berzerk themselves to shyts.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Yeah. Even if most masks don’t protect the WEARER, they protect other people FROM the wearer. So if everyone wore masks, people would be protected, to a degree at least. Now, it doesn’t have to be N95 masks, which do protect the wearer, since we don’t have nearly enough of those, but even makeshift masks help prevent asymptotic people from unknowingly spreading it.
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N95 protects the wearer, assuming they actually use it right which I rarely see in the general public.

This can be easily resolved by promoting more proper installation of them in the media.

My concern though is touching it and spreading disease in another way.
 
justhere4comm said:
Blame Trump. 3 weeks sooner. Much less death. He’s inept.
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He was busy shipping the Saudi's more weapons to blow up and starve hundreds of millions more of innocent Yemeni. But hey he has a trade deal with them to, amiright?
 
ax1 said:
N95 protects the wearer, assuming they actually use it right which I rarely see in the general public.

This can be easily resolved by promoting more proper installation of them in the media.

My concern though is touching it and spreading disease in another way.
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Did you even read my post? I said most masks don’t protect the wearer, and mentioned that N95 masks do. But that there’s NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH N95 masks to have EVERY person in the country wear them; we don’t even have enough for every medical worker...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Did you even read my post? I said most masks don’t protect the wearer, and mentioned that N95 masks do. But that there’s NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH N95 masks to have EVERY person in the country wear them; we don’t even have enough for every medical worker...
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Yes I did and what did I say that contradicted your post? I was adding to it and supporting in a positive way in the discussion.

Damn, is it the time of the month bro? LOL
 
ax1 said:
And its saving far more people from auto accidents, so lets keep it that way.
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I’ve explained why that analogy is fundamentally flawed numerous times...

Our ability to prevent car accidents and/or treat them is not going to drastically improve in the short term, so trying to minimize their impact in the interim is not the same thing. And car accidents don’t increase at an exponential rate if left unchecked.

You’re better than this man...

Say that the economic impact from extended quarantine isn’t worth it... at least you have an argument there. But this “cAr CrAsHes” BS is just that, BS.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I’ve explained why that analogy is fundamentally flawed numerous times...

Our ability to prevent car accidents and/or treat them is not going to drastically improve in the short term, so trying to minimize their impact in the interim is not the same thing. And car accidents don’t increase at an exponential rate if left unchecked.

You’re better than this man...

Say that the economic impact from extended quarantine isn’t worth it... at least you have an argument there. But this “cAr CrAsHes” BS is just that, BS.
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What your doing is picking and choosing what "crisis" people should be concerned about and ramming it down people's throats. I have bigger issues Im worried about. Somehow I think your easily inflenced by the TV tube.

My choice will save more lives than Covid and INSTANTLY both short term and long term. We are talking the lives of 4,000 Americans a month that can be just as easily stopped as easy as it is to force people to stay home because of a bad sniffle.
 
now after damned near the whole country has been shut down the medical community is recommending wearing of masks...where the hell were they a month or more ago?
 
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