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That is typically the case, but asking for help is a better look than camps where people are concentrated that are definitely not concentration camps.
I agree, they are definitely not concentration camps.

google image concentration camps and tell me you see a comparison.
 
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the homeless camps in san Francisco are a lot closer to nancy Pelosi than 9 miles...the living conditions for those AMERICANS look worse than that-by far.
Homeless camps are there by those people's own choice. They are free to leave or clean up their area at any time. They can also get basic necessities from the government anytime they want. But if you want to compare that to people who are being denied basic human rights and necessities that are mandated by law, go ahead if it helps you sleep better at night.
 
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I agree, they are definitely not concentration camps.

google image concentration camps and tell me you see a comparison.
They're not Nazi concentration camps, but they are concentration camps. Concentration camps are generically used to describe what the Nazis used, but they have been around since before that time.
 
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Homeless camps are there by those people's own choice. They are free to leave or clean up their area at any time. They can also get basic necessities from the government anytime they want. But if you want to compare that to people who are being denied basic human rights and necessities that are mandated by law, go ahead if it helps you sleep better at night.
geez, and all this time I thought those immigrants came here on their own...who knew that the U.S government dragged them out of their beds at gunpoint threw them on a train with no water or facilities and then started to starve them and gas them to death by the thousands--
 
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They're not Nazi concentration camps, but they are concentration camps. Concentration camps are generically used to describe what the Nazis used, but they have been around since before that time.
google concentration camps and see what comes up..try telling a holcaust survivor that concentration camps is just a generic term.
 
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google concentration camps and see what comes up..try telling a holcaust survivor that concentration camps is just a generic term.
If they have a brain, they'll know that the Holocaust occurred in Nazi concentration camps and that the Nazis weren't the first ones to use concentration camps. Stop trying to rewrite history, especially since you would be asking if they broke the law anyway.
 
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geez, and all this time I thought those immigrants came here on their own...who knew that the U.S government dragged them out of their beds at gunpoint threw them on a train with no water or facilities and then started to starve them and gas them to death by the thousands--
None of that has anything to do with what I just said, but keep reaching lmao. But if you want to talk about who the Nazis imprisoned and killed for some weird reason, you wouldn't have given a f#$% about any of those people either.
 
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None of that has anything to do with what I just said, but keep reaching lmao. But if you want to talk about who the Nazis imprisoned and killed for some weird reason, you wouldn't have given a f#$% about any of those people either.
aww...you are such a kind and caring guy, my hero.
 
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aww...you are such a kind and caring guy, my hero.
You can mock me all you want, but you're the one always claiming to be a Christian. You either need to reread or remember what it says about immigrants in the Bible, otherwise you're lying to yourself.
 
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You can mock me all you want, but you're the one always claiming to be a Christian. You either need to reread or remember what it says about immigrants in the Bible, otherwise you're lying to yourself.
if you are genuine and sincere in concern for others, then I am not mocking you.

I just wish a little concern could be shown for American citizens in real need.

nursing homes for poor elderly people is a very real disgrace, and we don't have money to give decent cost of living allowance to retirees. medicare is a joke and my sister and I will be spending huge amounts of money to put our mom in a decent place since she is to the point of not being able to live on her own and not sure how long I have to make decent money.

I feel for immigrants, but they aren't my highest priority. maybe it is unchristian to feel this way, but it is what it is...
 
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You can mock me all you want, but you're the one always claiming to be a Christian. You either need to reread or remember what it says about immigrants in the Bible, otherwise you're lying to yourself.
What does the bible say about immigrants? Lol

Every thing gets somehow flipped to Christianity w you.... Its ok to be anything; gay, immigrant, Satanist, feminist.... Anything goes except Christianity. Nobody wants to be offended.


Just dropped in to say hi
 
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The way AOC describes the camps was 100% to compare them the Nazi camps.

Only thing I don’t get is if all these people care why was this not flooding my social media until Trump was elected? I can totally get behind people wanting to help people but the sincerity is just so suspect from the politicians(not so much the people. Depending on what news they watch they might think this is new).
 
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Muslims are protected as if they are a race in America while other religions are bashed constantly.

I’m not even religious at all. Just don’t get it.
 
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What does the bible say about immigrants? Lol

Every thing gets somehow flipped to Christianity w you.... Its ok to be anything; gay, immigrant, Satanist, feminist.... Anything goes except Christianity. Nobody wants to be offended.


Just dropped in to say hi
How am I bashing Christianity? I'll bash you for being a false Christian since you seem to be saying there is nothing about immigrants in the Bible. Nobody is stopping anybody from practicing Christianity in this country. People criticize everything as they are free to do so.

Deuteronomy 27:19 https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/27-19.htm

Leviticus 19:33-34 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19:33-34&version=NIV

Hebrews 13:1-3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+13:1-3&version=NIV

Ezekiel 47:22 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+47:22&version=NIV

Romans 12:13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+12:13&version=NIV
 
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I was taught as a child that it is easy to be kind and caring when there is no cost or sacrifice...

I say lets have a POLL and let millennials decide...

1. $50 billion to help immigrants


OR



2. $50 billion to help paying off student loans
 
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if you are genuine and sincere in concern for others, then I am not mocking you.

I just wish a little concern could be shown for American citizens in real need.

nursing homes for poor elderly people is a very real disgrace, and we don't have money to give decent cost of living allowance to retirees. medicare is a joke and my sister and I will be spending huge amounts of money to put our mom in a decent place since she is to the point of not being able to live on her own and not sure how long I have to make decent money.

I feel for immigrants, but they aren't my highest priority. maybe it is unchristian to feel this way, but it is what it is...
Everything you just mentioned is socialism. You can blow up at that word all you want, but that's what all of that is and you've been quite clear that you're on the all socialism is bad wagon, despite Christian morals being highly supportive of socialism to a degree. Immigrants don't have to be your highest priority or even in your top 10, but to be ok with mistreatment that doesn't even meet the law (ie, no soap or toothbrushes), calling them all criminals including the ones that are here to go through a legal process, and claiming that they are full of disease even after I showed you they have higher vaccination rates than most of the US, that's crap.
 
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What are the protections?
They way it is discussed I mean. People openly mock Christianity for example, but if you said the same exact thing about Muslim’s you are all the sudden mocked in the same tone as if racist. I mean the terms used like islamiphobic have no counter like catholicaphobic.

I must be very clear one of my best friends for example is a practicing Muslim. I don’t care what religion anyone is as long as they don’t force it on me.
 
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As I say that I guess it would be fair to say it’s just the news and major cities. I’m sure on the Bible Belt it would be the opposite. I live in the northeast so it’s my perspective.
 
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They way it is discussed I mean. People openly mock Christianity for example, but if you said the same exact thing about Muslim’s you are all the sudden mocked in the same tone as if racist. I mean the terms used like islamiphobic have no counter like catholicaphobic.

I must be very clear one of my best friends for example is a practicing Muslim. I don’t care what religion anyone is as long as they don’t force it on me.
I don't agree completely, but definitely see where you're coming from. It's hard for me to ignore that somebody won a presidency while slamming muslims. This is what I see and it doesn't make sense to me. As far as everyday people having conversations or on facebook, I don't see any "protections." As far as the media goes though and just pop culture in general, sure. Christianity is a fair target, but you have to be careful with Islam and gays, minority races, etc. I feel like people get offended too easily and are looking for something to get excited about as far as talking goes.

What doesn't make sense to me is when it comes to actual physical protections, it's reversed. I've given the example before asking how many Muslim holidays do we all get off? What religion is the year based that the entire world follows? Which religion's God is on our money and woven through our government? If a church gets built in a town there isn't a protest, but when a mosque gets planned it's a huge deal. And as far as Catholicaphobic as an example, I get that as well, but the most hate that gets tossed at Catholics is from Protestants! Another thing that has never made sense to me. My parents came from a Catholic home and a Protestant home and my grandparents refused at first to even go to the wedding! That used to be a big deal and has gotten better, but I still hear people go back and forth within Christianity.
 
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As I say that I guess it would be fair to say it’s just the news and major cities. I’m sure on the Bible Belt it would be the opposite. I live in the northeast so it’s my perspective.
It does depend as I have in-laws now in Mississippi and you just don't even mention the word muslim there lol. Like you might disappear if you do. Although, I think that area feels the same way about Catholics too.
 
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I don't agree completely, but definitely see where you're coming from. It's hard for me to ignore that somebody won a presidency while slamming muslims. This is what I see and it doesn't make sense to me. As far as everyday people having conversations or on facebook, I don't see any "protections." As far as the media goes though and just pop culture in general, sure. Christianity is a fair target, but you have to be careful with Islam and gays, minority races, etc. I feel like people get offended too easily and are looking for something to get excited about as far as talking goes.

What doesn't make sense to me is when it comes to actual physical protections, it's reversed. I've given the example before asking how many Muslim holidays do we all get off? What religion is the year based that the entire world follows? Which religion's God is on our money and woven through our government? If a church gets built in a town there isn't a protest, but when a mosque gets planned it's a huge deal. And as far as Catholicaphobic as an example, I get that as well, but the most hate that gets tossed at Catholics is from Protestants! Another thing that has never made sense to me. My parents came from a Catholic home and a Protestant home and my grandparents refused at first to even go to the wedding! That used to be a big deal and has gotten better, but I still hear people go back and forth within Christianity.
You make some fair points in parts of that, but the holiday thing is just simply how our country was founded. Like I don’t expect Iran to have a holiday break in December(most places avoid saying Christmas break now, but we know what it is).

I also really believe a lot of Trump winning is Hillary. Like if an ultra...”progressive”...wins in 2020 I would imagine dislike of Trump will drive a lot of the votes. Not so much that most people like identity politics and full out socialism to levels well beyond our gigantic social nets that are already bankrupting the country.
 
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I think Bernie has horrendous economic policies but I really think if the DNC didn’t screw him he would have won.

Edit: I am not a fan of Trump’s tariff plan either before anyone assumes I like all of Trump’s economic decisions.
 
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I think Bernie has horrendous economic policies but I really think if the DNC didn’t screw him he would have won.

Edit: I am not a fan of Trump’s tariff plan either before anyone assumes I like all of Trump’s economic decisions.
He bought a nice little 750k vacation home after he got screwed, he is on the payroll. Then he "left" the DNC because he got "screwed" and now he rejoined the same party that screwed him over the election as if they wouldnt do it again. Add the fact that after he got "screwed" he told everybody to vote everything he stands against which is to vote for Hitlery.

He is clearly a DNC plant in my books. And yes, his economic policies are crazily horrendous although they sound moral on the books.
 
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He bought a nice little 750k vacation home after he got screwed, he is on the payroll. Then he "left" the DNC because he got "screwed" and now he rejoined the same party that screwed him over the election as if they wouldnt do it again. Add the fact that after he got "screwed" he told everybody to vote everything he stands against which is to vote for Hitlery.

He is clearly a DNC plant in my books. And yes, his economic policies are crazily horrendous although they sound moral on the books.
Hillary is a moderate compared to that socialist lunatic, would have rather seen Hillary president than Bernie-and I hate Hillary!!!
 
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Everything you just mentioned is socialism. You can blow up at that word all you want, but that's what all of that is and you've been quite clear that you're on the all socialism is bad wagon, despite Christian morals being highly supportive of socialism to a degree. Immigrants don't have to be your highest priority or even in your top 10, but to be ok with mistreatment that doesn't even meet the law (ie, no soap or toothbrushes), calling them all criminals including the ones that are here to go through a legal process, and claiming that they are full of disease even after I showed you they have higher vaccination rates than most of the US, that's crap.
easy for you to call social security and medicare socialism, you haven't paid into it for 44 years...
I wish I knew how much I have paid into social security and medicare since I 1st started working at burger chef when I was 16 back in 1974, I bet it would be a large amount-hell just the last 10 years has been a staggering amount.

it is totally wrong to compare elderly retirees on social security and medicare to people who are here illegally....
 
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I was taught as a child that it is easy to be kind and caring when there is no cost or sacrifice...

I say lets have a POLL and let millennials decide...

1. $50 billion to help immigrants


OR



2. $50 billion to help paying off student loans
lol...I guess we all know what the poll would show!!!
 
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How am I bashing Christianity? I'll bash you for being a false Christian since you seem to be saying there is nothing about immigrants in the Bible. Nobody is stopping anybody from practicing Christianity in this country. People criticize everything as they are free to do so.

Deuteronomy 27:19 https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/27-19.htm

Leviticus 19:33-34 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+19:33-34&version=NIV

Hebrews 13:1-3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+13:1-3&version=NIV

Ezekiel 47:22 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+47:22&version=NIV

Romans 12:13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+12:13&version=NIV
Oh its no bash to me bro. I could really care less what you think of me. I know where I stand. Since you want to throw around scriptures.

Whether or not they're being treated kindly is open for interpretation. This scripture is not.


Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Romans 13:1‭-‬7 KJV

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easy for you to call social security and medicare socialism, you haven't paid into it for 44 years...
I wish I knew how much I have paid into social security and medicare since I 1st started working at burger chef when I was 16 back in 1974, I bet it would be a large amount-hell just the last 10 years has been a staggering amount.

it is totally wrong to compare elderly retirees on social security and medicare to people who are here illegally....
Stop acting like you're the only one in the world who ever does anything. I've been paying in for 27 years and have a very good chance of getting nothing back. Those are both forms of socialism whether I or you want them to be.

I'm not comparing those two groups of people. Actually there should be three groups in this conversation, but you choose to keep group the people coming here legally with the illegal ones. All I'm saying is that they're all human beings and to accuse them all of being criminals who carry disease and only want to destroy our country is pathetic and sure as hell not Christian. If you disagree, feel free to show me in the Bible where it says differently.
 
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Oh its no bash to me bro. I could really care less what you think of me. I know where I stand. Since you want to throw around scriptures.

Whether or not they're being treated kindly is open for interpretation. This scripture is not.


Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Romans 13:1‭-‬7 KJV

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Yeah, you need to find an actual biblical scholar or at least try reading the book yourself. This was misused as an argument of why we should have stayed loyal to the British crown during the revolution and also used for justifying slavery. You curiously seem to have stopped right before Romans 8, so let me include that:

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

So in other words, you're using this passage falsely to advocate we follow the authority of a commandment breaker while ignoring God's word to love your neighbor as yourself.
 
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Stop acting like you're the only one in the world who ever does anything. I've been paying in for 27 years and have a very good chance of getting nothing back. Those are both forms of socialism whether I or you want them to be.

I'm not comparing those two groups of people. Actually there should be three groups in this conversation, but you choose to keep group the people coming here legally with the illegal ones. All I'm saying is that they're all human beings and to accuse them all of being criminals who carry disease and only want to destroy our country is pathetic and sure as hell not Christian. If you disagree, feel free to show me in the Bible where it says differently.
no...what I am saying is American citizens have real issues and problems-where is your concern for them...or don't you consider American citizens human beings worthy of your concern?
 
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no...what I am saying is American citizens have real issues and problems-where is your concern for them...or don't you consider American citizens human beings worthy of your concern?
I do have concern for them and they're mutually exclusive. Like I've told you countless other times, just because the media or the government is telling you that you can only choose one, that's not true! Why do you assume that just because I care about people being taken care of while in custody doesn't mean I think the rest of the people should suffer? What kind of logic is that? I think people should be given the chance to become citizens here and if people want to help in that process, they should without being accused of "helping illegals lie to get in" (paraphrasing your comment because I'm not going searching for it). If people ignore the legal channels and come here illegally, they should be arrested and it makes sense to separate them from their kids just like anybody else getting arrested. HOWEVER, I'm for them getting their rights supported and not violated as set by our Constitution and any agreed upon treaties.

You can still support the people that live here and not demonize and s@#$ on people, including kids, who come here, many of who are trying to do it legally. You can want American citizens to have better lives and not want kids to be abused as deterrents for others coming here. I've tried to explain to you what some groups of American citizen minorities go through and you mocked me and told tales about yourself being poor, so too bad for them. Remember that conversation and all of your "empathy" for American citizens? So rather than accusing me of thinking that anybody isn't worthy of my concern, try looking in your own mirror.
 
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Yeah, you need to find an actual biblical scholar or at least try reading the book yourself. This was misused as an argument of why we should have stayed loyal to the British crown during the revolution and also used for justifying slavery. You curiously seem to have stopped right before Romans 8, so let me include that:

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

So in other words, you're using this passage falsely to advocate we follow the authority of a commandment breaker while ignoring God's word to love your neighbor as yourself.
Oh bro I know the scripture. Love is not lawlessness. Illegal immigrants are "illegal". Sending them back to where they were before they broke the law is not loveless. Bible also speaks of chastisement and discipline. You'd have a lawless society full of hippy love if you had it your way no doubt.

Youre taking it out of context using the words to fit your agenda. If you believe the bible which you are quoting then God is sovereign and yes all things happen according to purpose and predestination. Including Trump and immigrants. If you really wanna get down to theology
 
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Oh bro I know the scripture. Love is not lawlessness. Illegal immigrants are "illegal". Sending them back to where they were before they broke the law is not loveless. Bible also speaks of chastisement and discipline. You'd have a lawless society full of hippy love if you had it your way no doubt.

Youre taking it out of context using the words to fit your agenda. If you believe the bible which you are quoting then God is sovereign and yes all things happen according to purpose and predestination. Including Trump and immigrants. If you really wanna get down to theology
I cant imagine Jesus sending anybody back. None of this makes logically sense. Do you think Jesus would send anyone back? Just asking a honest question, if Jesus was here in the USA what would he say?
 
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Oh bro I know the scripture. Love is not lawlessness. Illegal immigrants are "illegal". Sending them back to where they were before they broke the law is not loveless. Bible also speaks of chastisement and discipline. You'd have a lawless society full of hippy love if you had it your way no doubt.

Youre taking it out of context using the words to fit your agenda. If you believe the bible which you are quoting then God is sovereign and yes all things happen according to purpose and predestination. Including Trump and immigrants. If you really wanna get down to theology
I've repeatedly said illegal immigrants are illegal. My question to you so called Christians is where in the Bible it supports the racist, hate-filled comments and lies that you and Trump keep making about all immigrants, legal or illegal. You need to remember Daniel 3 and basically all of Exodus if you think God wants everybody to blindly follow man's law that contradicts his own simply because of one paragraph from Paul.
 
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easy for you to call social security and medicare socialism, you haven't paid into it for 44 years...
I wish I knew how much I have paid into social security and medicare since I 1st started working at burger chef when I was 16 back in 1974, I bet it would be a large amount-hell just the last 10 years has been a staggering amount.

it is totally wrong to compare elderly retirees on social security and medicare to people who are here illegally....
Nobody paid into it, it was all stolen against our will at gunpoint.
 
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I've repeatedly said illegal immigrants are illegal. My question to you so called Christians is where in the Bible it supports the racist, hate-filled comments and lies that you and Trump keep making about all immigrants, legal or illegal. You need to remember Daniel 3 and basically all of Exodus if you think God wants everybody to blindly follow man's law that contradicts his own simply because of one paragraph from Paul.
Not me, I haven't made one racist comment. So the only hate I feel is coming from you.... Brother
 
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I cant imagine Jesus sending anybody back. None of this makes logically sense. Do you think Jesus would send anyone back? Just asking a honest question, if Jesus was here in the USA what would he say?
Honestly I don't involve myself in politics. Neither did Jesus. He said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. He minded only Kingdom business and the will of God. He didn't involve himself in political agenda.
 
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Not me, I haven't made one racist comment. So the only hate I feel is coming from you.... Brother
So now I'm hateful because I call out your hypocrisy? You claim to be a Christian and spew anti-immigrant based on the most overused verse by the Trump administration. You're a complete fraud lmao.
 
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I honestly could give 2 shits about trump or politics. Its all nonsense lol corrupt people throwing mud at one another in order that they themselves look like the less of 2 evils. Its a **** show
 
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So now I'm hateful because I call out your hypocrisy? You claim to be a Christian and spew anti-immigrant based on the most overused verse by the Trump administration. You're a complete fraud lmao.
Oh good one lol that's the best you got? LMAO I call you hateful bc its obvious. You filled with it lol
I'm good bro, I don't hate you bro

If trump uses scripture im unaware. So maybe its a coincidence. As I stated I don't do politics bro
 
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I do do the bible :) sorry if that makes you hateful that I do that.
 
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They are all mostly the same pile of trash thats for sure.
Totally agree... I don't care for any of it. Seriously. This country has become 2 sides standing so far apart this country is going to tear itself right down the middle. That's the shame of it all. It used to be about common ground and unification. Now it's about separation and Hate with one side pointing the finger at the other. No one willing to .compromise and back down. It doesnt take rocket science to see where all this is headed.
 
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Oh good one lol that's the best you got? LMAO I call you hateful bc its obvious. You filled with it lol
I'm good bro, I don't hate you bro

If trump uses scripture im unaware. So maybe its a coincidence. As I stated I don't do politics bro
Yet here you are... John 8
 
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Honestly I don't involve myself in politics. Neither did Jesus. He said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. He minded only Kingdom business and the will of God. He didn't involve himself in political agenda.
That's a total cop-out. Jesus did stay out of politics, but he didn't shy away from immigration. Answer the question.
 

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