Donald Trump running for president

ax1 said:
Ok, so all in one measly week Dump wanted to pull out of Syria, next its like oops nvmd just kidding and now he says Syria and that "animal Assad" has a "big price to pay" for the chemical attack with absolutely no proof of who did it and on top of that blames Putin and Iran.

Im just trying to figure out if Dump is really that naive or someone in the Military Industrial complex pulled the Art of the Deal with him.

My bitcoin go to the latter.

Waiting on him meeting up with his hookers and hitting the button of mass genocide while chewing over the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake.
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ok, what if is there is proof, what would you do?
 
thebigt said:
ok, what if is there is proof, what would you do?
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I’d end the endless failed foreign policies of illegal regime changes, financing, arming and training terrorists to initiate the overthrows that got us to this point. I would restore the United States Constitution and our Founding Father’s original foreign policy of not getting into foreign entanglements :)
 
ax1 said:
I’d end the endless failed foreign policies of illegal regime changes, financing, arming and training terrorists to initiate the overthrows that got us to this point. I would restore the United States Constitution and our Founding Father’s original foreign policy of not getting into foreign entanglements :)
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so...nothing?
 
thebigt said:
so...nothing?
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Well, I certainly wouldn’t call the end of mass murdering people "nothing." It would get us far further ahead as a country than the typical status quo imo which usually leads to genocide and continues to keep this country in mass debt while making a select few richer.

What do you wanna do? If of course Assholad did it which is impossible.
 
ax1 said:
Well, I certainly wouldn’t call the end of mass murdering people "nothing." It would get us far further ahead as a country than the typical status quo imo which usually leads to genocide and continues to keep this country in mass debt while making a select few richer.

What do you wanna do? If of course Assholad did it which is impossible.
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well, Obama drew a line in the sand then did nothing, that didn't work out so well!!!

Obama also prematurely pulled out of Iraq/Afghanistan and look where that got us....

don't know what the right thing to do is, but I know what doesn't work-doing nothing!!!

my biggest concern is the 2-3 thousand u.s troops in Syria...
 
thebigt said:
well, Obama drew a line in the sand then did nothing, that didn't work out so well!!!

Obama also prematurely pulled out of Iraq/Afghanistan and look where that got us....

don't know what the right thing to do is, but I know what doesn't work-doing nothing!!!

my biggest concern is the 2-3 thousand u.s troops in Syria...
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Why do you want to do anything at all? I think I know what your answer is, but don't want to just assume.
 
thebigt said:
well, Obama drew a line in the sand then did nothing, that didn't work out so well!!!

Obama also prematurely pulled out of Iraq/Afghanistan and look where that got us....

don't know what the right thing to do is, but I know what doesn't work-doing nothing!!!

my biggest concern is the 2-3 thousand u.s troops in Syria...
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I think we can both agree we can send emercency medical supplies and doctors :)
 
thebigt said:
well, Obama drew a line in the sand then did nothing, that didn't work out so well!!!
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Think about this though, after they regurgitated over and over again "evidence" of weapons of mass destruction we were promised we would have a quick war, a quick surrender, we would be out of there in a glance and the war would completely pay for itself with oil. We should have had a complete withdrawel out of Iraq with 2 years before Bush's 1st term was even over. Obama shouldnt even had inherited the Iraq war. The same people who promised a flash are the same people complaining we left to early. Why should anybody believe people with lost credibility?

How do you draw a finish line? When do you declare victory and how many thousands of years and tax payer money are you willing to put into it before we just head back to the locker room and just simply declare defeat? When do we finally stop repeating failed foreign policy?

thebigt said:
Obama also prematurely pulled out of Iraq/Afghanistan and look where that got us....
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Obama actually officially ended the war in Afghanistan in 2024, 8 years after he was dated to leave office, ROFFFLLLL!!!!! Thanks Obama!!!!! He never withdrew from Iraq, thats just propaganda. We just left in a "official level" for ceremonial purposes and votes.
 
ax1 said:
I think we can both agree we can send emercency medical supplies and doctors :)
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for sure....but I've heard the Syrian army has Houma surrounded with no one in or out??? if this is true you have to admit it is suspicious.

also I heard a military 'expert' say that the civilians in Houma had been hiding in basements and underground dwellings to escape the bombings, the gas permeates into those areas....that is some hitler like hideous stuff, imo.
 
thebigt said:
for sure....but I've heard the Syrian army has Houma surrounded with no one in or out??? if this is true you have to admit it is suspicious.

also I heard a military 'expert' say that the civilians in Houma had been hiding in basements and underground dwellings to escape the bombings, the gas permeates into those areas....that is some hitler like hideous stuff, imo.
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I dont know if its surrounded or not, but I can see any town in any modern country in the world being surrounded with checkpoints by the military in that situation. Seems like routine to me. Happened in Boston after the bombing there, or New Orleans after a measly natural disaster.
 
ax1 said:
I dont know if its surrounded or not, but I can see any town in any modern country in the world being surrounded with checkpoints by the military in that situation. Seems like routine to me. Happened in Boston after the bombing there, or New Orleans after a measly natural disaster.
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from what I know they weren't keeping emergency supplies and doctors out in boston and new Orleans?

maybe you know something I don't....
 
thebigt said:
that is some hitler like hideous stuff, imo.
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Would you agree that Dump's love bomb's in Aleppo Syria are the same hitler like hideous stuff? Is completely obliterating a city any different than what the citizens of Douma are experiencing? Based on these pics looks like almost the entire population expired.

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thebigt said:
from what I know they weren't keeping emergency supplies and doctors out in boston and new Orleans?

maybe you know something I don't....
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I know not to believe any "expert" on TV especially if they are affiliated with the government or especially used to be (now current full time propagandists.) They have lied to us about Syria and just about everything else war related for years now, nothing can be any different tomorrow.
 
ax1 said:
Would you agree that Dump's love bomb's in Aleppo Syria are the same hitler like hideous stuff? Is completely obliterating a city and different than what the citizens of Douma are experiencing? Based on these pics looks like almost the entire population expired.
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Trump and his supporters had their chance to help at least some of the people of Syria, so now they want to use twisted logic to make themselves feel better. They didn't give a **** when those families asked for help before and a place to go, but now somehow want to use attacks on those families to justify dropping more bombs on those families. As for troops surrounding Douma, how is that a new thing? People get all up in arms about topics that have been going on for a long ass time, but act like it's news just because it is news to them.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Trump and his supporters had their chance to help at least some of the people of Syria, so now they want to use twisted logic to make themselves feel better. They didn't give a **** when those families asked for help before and a place to go, but now somehow want to use attacks on those families to justify dropping more bombs on those families. As for troops surrounding Douma, how is that a new thing? People get all up in arms about topics that have been going on for a long ass time, but act like it's news just because it is news to them.
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jfk and his supporters
Johnson and his supporters
Nixon and his supporters
ford and his supporters
carter and his supporters.....this behavior has been followed by every president and their supporters for my entire lifetime, it is not anything new with trump and his supporters....
 
thebigt said:
jfk and his supporters
Johnson and his supporters
Nixon and his supporters
ford and his supporters
carter and his supporters.....this behavior has been followed by every president and their supporters for my entire lifetime, it is not anything new with trump and his supporters....
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Answering why we do something with because "it's what we've always done" or "it's how we've always done it" is a horrible answer in any situation.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Answering why we do something with


because "it's what we've always done" or "it's how we've always done it" is a horrible answer in any situation.
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yes, it is...particularly when it's the truth.

maybe when you get elected you can change things....
 
thebigt said:
yes, it is...particularly when it's the truth.

maybe when you get elected you can change things....
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You told those kids from Syria to **** off when they asked for our help the last time, so at least stop lying about what your intentions are. Some of us don't blindly follow orders.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You told those kids from Syria to **** off when they asked for our help the last time, so at least stop lying about what your intentions are. Some of us don't blindly follow orders.
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lol....you've been drinking again.:pat:
 
Wooowww.....FBI Raided Dump's Lawyers office, this is getting spicy.
 
I'm not very political but why is the hatred from trump so strong? Because Hillary cheated and rigid everything she could and still did not win?

From what I see he has improved 90% of americans lives with a stroke of a pen and little support from the long term republicans.
 
Studhorse said:
I'm not very political but why is the hatred from trump so strong? Because Hillary cheated and rigid everything she could and still did not win?

From what I see he has improved 90% of americans lives with a stroke of a pen and little support from the long term republicans.
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How has he improved life for 90% of Americans?
 
Studhorse said:
90% of americans benefit from a stronger economy. It's not rocket science.

Can you answer my question? Not trying to be a smart ass just looking for an answer.
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I dunno, but my life isnt really any different than it was 4 years ago, lol.

If anything everything seems to get more expensive by the week, we have yet to feel what these trade tariffs turn out to be but I dont think we can judge the economy so quickly. I personally need a couple more years to really see how things roll out, but I hope the best when it comes to the economy. Dump's policies were never my cup of tea though and neither did I support his predecessor.
 
Studhorse said:
I'm not very political but why is the hatred from trump so strong? Because Hillary cheated and rigid everything she could and still did not win?

From what I see he has improved 90% of americans lives with a stroke of a pen and little support from the long term republicans.
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I just dont support him because most of his policies are primarily just like Obama's. They just have minuscule policy differences within the same unconstitutional big government/banker infrastructure pro war/military industrial complex surveillance police state system that is supported by both Demicans and Republicrats for decades.
 
Studhorse said:
90% of americans benefit from a stronger economy. It's not rocket science.

Can you answer my question? Not trying to be a smart ass just looking for an answer.
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I can't speak for others, but my personal reasons are because he's a hypocrite and if you were truly pro god, then you wouldn't be in favor of him either. He continually lies and makes stuff up, but then so are you with this 90% arbitrary number and claims that the economy is stronger. I have extreme issues with him continuing to attack science, wasting our taxes on unecessary wars just like Obama did, and continuing to divide this country just like Obama did.

Overall if you really couldn't figure out why he is hated, then you are being a smart ass and looking for an argument. He routinely tweets attacks to varying groups of people, so why wouldn't he have groups that hate him?
 
ax1 said:
I just dont support him because most of his policies are primarily just like Obama's. They just have minuscule policy differences within the same unconstitutional big government/banker infrastructure pro war/military industrial complex system that is supported by both Demicans and Republicrats for decades.
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A lot of people supposedly voted for him because they claimed he was different and now those same people are making excuses when he does what everybody else already has.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
A lot of people supposedly voted for him because they claimed he was different and now those same people are making excuses when he does what everybody else already has.
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Im reliving Obama 2009 era all over again, its a nightmare!
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I can't speak for others, but my personal reasons are because he's a hypocrite and if you were truly pro god, then you wouldn't be in favor of him either. He continually lies and makes stuff up, but then so are you with this 90% arbitrary number and claims that the economy is stronger. I have extreme issues with him continuing to attack science, wasting our taxes on unecessary wars just like Obama did, and continuing to divide this country just like Obama did.

Overall if you really couldn't figure out why he is hated, then you are being a smart ass and looking for an argument. He routinely tweets attacks to varying groups of people, so why wouldn't he have groups that hate him?
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I dont put my faith in men! I put my faith in Jesus.
I can see why the illegals wouldn't like him.
The word hypocrite gets thrown around alot. Being a christian I'm considered a hypocrite.I however know I'm not close to perfect and will always fall short..
 
Studhorse said:
I dont put my faith in men! I put my faith in Jesus.
I can see why the illegals wouldn't like him.
The word hypocrite gets thrown around alot. Being a christian I'm considered a hypocrite.I however know I'm not close to perfect and will always fall short..
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None of us are perfect, but that's far different from saying that we need to bring jobs back to American when your products are made overseas, and claiming to be against illegal immigration and continually getting caught hiring illegals and finding loopholes to continue doing so even after becoming President, and claiming to be for Christian values when you're on wife number 3 and get caught banging a porn star, and attacking Obama for playing golf and then turning around and spending even more time playing golf than Obama did.
 
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So if they are going to these lengths to call this an FEC crime, we should see the investigation into the illegal campaign contributions from around the world into the Clinton Foundation, that mysteriously stopped coming in when she lost.
 
youngandfree said:
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So if they are going to these lengths to call this an FEC crime, we should see the investigation into the illegal cam pain contributions from around the world into the Clinton Foundation, that mysteriously stopped coming in when she lost.
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What also stopped coming in was this campaign promise of Hitlery4Prison movement which was a big let down to me at the same time not surprising it went away.
 
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Remember the Ukrainian that Mueller is investigating for a donation to Trump? He's been giving millions to Clinton long before Trump. But Mueller isn't concerned about that. And this is still paraded as a nonpartisan investigation.
 
youngandfree said:
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Remember the Ukrainian that Mueller is investigating for a donation to Trump? He's been giving millions to Clinton long before Trump. But Mueller isn't concerned about that. And this is still paraded as a nonpartisan investigation.
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Mueller's number one objective is to protect the fbi....Mueller is looking for leverage for when the IG report comes out. imo, Mueller will make a deal with trump!!!
 
thebigt said:
welcome to the twilight zone!!!!
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Obama and Dump both support the 16th Amendment, they both are pro war, support the Patriot Act, NSA spying, War on Terror, War on Drugs, expansion of the domestic Federal police state, support the Federal Reserve, socialism, expanding Federal powers over the State, have no respect for the 5th and 14th due process Amendments, big monster Military Industrial Complex supporters, support dirty lobby, are both big on supporting Wall Street and Big Banks, support Quantitative Easing, both support monstrous completely irresponsible budgets, both support FBI (unconstitutional) and IRS, and so on.

They have incremental differences on how to implement the same big important policies when all of the above should be abolished.

Obama and Dump = two sides of the same coin. Its like picking between Coke and Pepsi, you still end up with pretty much the same soda.

Oh believe me, I do feel Im in the twilight zone, lol
 
ax1 said:
Obama and Dump both support the 16th Amendment, they both are pro war, support the Patriot Act, NSA spying, War on Terror, War on Drugs, expansion of the domestic Federal police state, support the Federal Reserve, socialism, expanding Federal powers over the State, have no respect for the 5th and 14th due process Amendments, big monster Military Industrial Complex supporters, support dirty lobby, are both big on supporting Wall Street and Big Banks, support Quantitative Easing, both support monstrous completely irresponsible budgets, both support FBI (unconstitutional) and IRS, and so on.

They have incremental differences on how to implement the same big important policies when all of the above should be abolished.

Obama and Dump = two sides of the same coin. Its like picking between Coke and Pepsi, you still end up with pretty much the same soda.

Oh believe me, I do feel Im in the twilight zone, lol
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there is a limited amount that any president can do on his own....trump is even more limited having the media oppose EVERYTHING he proposes, and republicans are not nearly as united as dem dems.


at least we no longer hear about boys in the girls shower room!!!
 
thebigt said:
there is a limited amount that any president can do on his own....trump is even more limited having the media oppose EVERYTHING he proposes, and republicans are not nearly as united as dem dems.


at least we no longer hear about boys in the girls shower room!!!
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Oh your very right....not speaking for you here but the most of congress on both sides are all the same. As you know I dont vote for Demicans or Republicrats, they all support all that I complain about.

I do wanna say I have seen Dump flip flop on alot of issues. I was optimistic about Russia and Syria and then of course they pulled off that first chemical false flag stunt and then that was all over. I was looking forward to taxes on a single post card, not even close. I was hoping he would not be "the police of the world" as he said in his inaugural speech but

Dump is complaining about the problems but that doesnt exempt him when he signs onto the problem such as the recent spending bill. He is the problem. Of course Congress does the same thing, its simply called politics

The only way this country can truly change is if you all vote for me.

j/k but really the only way the country can change is if you change it from the core across the board in local politics and along the way up. Abolishing all lobby which is just simply a politically correct term for extortion and bribery and adding in term limits in the congress/senate is especially helpful.
 
ax1 said:
Oh your very right....not speaking for you here but the most of congress on both sides are all the same. As you know I dont vote for Demicans or Republicrats, they all support all that I complain about.

I do wanna say I have seen Dump flip flop on alot of issues. I was optimistic about Russia and Syria and then of course they pulled off that first chemical false flag stunt and then that was all over. I was looking forward to taxes on a single post card, not even close. I was hoping he would not be "the police of the world" as he said in his inaugural speech but

Dump is complaining about the problems but that doesnt exempt him when he signs onto the problem such as the recent spending bill. He is the problem. Of course Congress does the same thing, its simply called politics

The only way this country can truly change is if you all vote for me.

j/k but really the only way the country can change is if you change it from the core across the board in local politics and along the way up. Abolishing all lobby which is just simply a politically correct term for extortion and bribery and adding in term limits in the congress/senate is especially helpful.
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I voted for trump because I was fed up with Obama's leftist social policies, and I was afraid hillary would be even worse....the tax cut was a big bonus for me personally.... not really too thrilled about his softening on immigration, but he is getting a LOT of push back, and he has to do popular stuff to keep republicans in the majority.
 
thebigt said:
I voted for trump because I was fed up with Obama's leftist social policies, and I was afraid hillary would be even worse....the tax cut was a big bonus for me personally.... not really too thrilled about his softening on immigration, but he is getting a LOT of push back, and he has to do popular stuff to keep republicans in the majority.
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He needs these tariffs (aka trade wars) to overwhelmingly succeed asap.That would help Republicrats in a big way.

Interestingly, all the sudden Emperor Xi Xinping stated yesterday he will "significantly lower" tariffs on cars to open world economy.
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Did you hear about that on TV? I only saw it on online CiaNN this morning.
 
ax1 said:
He needs these tariffs (aka trade wars) to overwhelmingly succeed asap.That would help Republicrats in a big way.

Interestingly, all the sudden Emperor Xi Xinping stated yesterday he will "significantly lower" tariffs on cars to open world economy.
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Did you hear about that on TV? I only saw it on online CiaNN this morning.
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I heard this in the morning, sounds like great news-eh? stock market is soaring. imagine that, how stupid does the liberals [media] look now, lol.
 
Just saying I have no dog in this fight. Nor wanna get invloved. Just stating the obvious.

Trump ran on a Campaign of "Draining the Swamp" but the only people he's fired so far are people he himself hired....What does that say
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Just saying I have no dog in this fight. Nor wanna get invloved. Just stating the obvious.

Trump ran on a Campaign of "Draining the Swamp" but the only people he's fired so far are people he himself hired....What does that say
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And the people that approved of the FBI raid on his lawyer are people he appointed, but apparently we're not going to talk about that lol
 
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