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Donald Trump running for president

Misfit28 said:
Really?

She's probably preparing for the debate again. These conspiracy theories are going fast beyond ridiculous at this point.

Also, why do Trump supporters believe a site called "Political Insider"? Isn't that one of the things they are against?
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i could beat trump in a debate. Please.

I have no clue nor do I give a **** about the legitimacy of the site posted or any one you would post.

There was a smilie face...you should know by now with the hours spent on this board - that means I'm joking.

FTR I don't "support" Trump but I do dispise everything Clinton. Not much to support with either. But I'll take him over a criminal.
 
David Dunn said:
i could beat trump in a debate. Please.

I have no clue nor do I give a **** about the legitimacy of the site posted or any one you would post.

There was a smilie face...you should know by now with the hours spent on this board - that means I'm joking.

FTR I don't "support" Trump but I do dispise everything Clinton. Not much to support with either. But I'll take him over a criminal.
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Point taken :)

Although technically neither one is a "criminal" (you have to be charged and convicted of a crime IMO to be called that) neither one is innocent.
 
Misfit28 said:
Now Trump is claiming that SNL is rigging the election against him. Last year he was raving about them after he hosted it......
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He's not the first politician to be spoofed on that show and won't be the last. He changes his position on things every hour so he'll probably be back to praising them later this afternoon
 
Aleksandar37 said:
If they all dodged it, how can you say that somebody brought Bill Clinton into it? Unless of course you want to actually respond to my response...
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They answered, but dodged the actual question and started taking about unrelated things. My question had nothing to do with the election. You completely missed the point...
 
Gutterpump said:
They answered, but dodged the actual question and started taking about unrelated things. My question had nothing to do with the election. You completely missed the point...
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Well it's a hypocritical question. You're asking why people hold another party responsible for events without holding their own party responsible, yet you keep doing that exact same thing. Also, you also don't want to respond to questions posed to you, so why are people going to keep returning the favor?
 
The fact is, The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest. Who is responsible for this? The Republican party led us into this mess. They fabricated false information and had people vote on a war based on falsehoods. Do you or anyone else know when the GOP is going to hold themselves accountable? Never.

Not only was raiding/invading Iraq a war crime, but this is one of the worst crimes against the American people, of all time.
 
Gutterpump said:
The fact is, The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest. Who is responsible for this? The Republican party led us into this mess. They fabricated false information and had people vote on a war based on falsehoods. Do you or anyone else know when the GOP is going to hold themselves accountable? Never.

Not only was raiding/invading Iraq a war crime, but this is one of the worst crimes against the American people, of all time.
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Its not just Republicans, its Democrats too, and in particular if you can vote this election you openly and firmly would be voting for Hitlery and buying into and supporting all the issues you seem to be concerned for above. You would be supporting and continuing to prop up the very worst crimes against the American people "of all time."
 
ax1 said:
Its not just Republicans, its Democrats too, and in particular if you can vote this election you firmly would be voting for Hitlery and buying into and supporting all the issues you seem to be concerned for above.
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The Democrats have put us over 6 Trillion in debt from a false war and made us lose thousands of American lives, in the past 10-20 years? I think not. Again, it was the GOP that caused this mess, despite your speculation that HIllery will do the same, I find it highly doubtful in the next 4 years that we will fully invade another country.
 
Gutterpump said:
The Democrats have put us over 6 Trillion in debt from a false war and made us lose thousands of American lives, in the past 10-20 years? I think not. Again, it was the GOP that caused this mess, despite your speculation that HIllery will do the same, I find it highly doubtful in the next 4 years that we will fully invade another country.
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She voted for it so Im not speculating anything, she also directly contributed to the destruction of Lybia and contributed to the current terrorist crisis all over the middle east among other things.

To think she isnt a war mongering blood thirsty genocidal promoting military industrial complex big banker whore is absolutely insane of you to think that.
 
ax1 said:
She voted for it so Im not speculating anything, she also directly contributed to the destruction of Lybia and contributed to the current terrorist crisis all over the middle east among other things.

To think she isnt a war mongering blood thirsty genocidal promoting military industrial complex big banker whore is absolutely insane of you to think that.
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She voted for what? The Iraq War? You do realize the GOP fabricated false intel and misled everyone including the British right?

When security forces, insurgents, journalists and humanitarian workers were included, the war's death toll rose to an estimated 176,000 to 189,000, a study has said. The GOP has all of this blood on their hands, and much, much more...
 
Gutterpump said:
despite your speculation that HIllery will do the same
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Hitlery also voted for 21 more times to re-authorize Iraq war funding, so why would I need to speculate anything?

I mean seriously, you come here and are hard core on conservatives for not saying enough about Bush and Cheney accountable for their war crimes, yet you yourself would vote for the very same policies.
 
Gutterpump said:
She voted for what? The Iraq War? You do realize the GOP fabricated false intel and misled everyone including the British right?

When security forces, insurgents, journalists and humanitarian workers were included, the war's death toll rose to an estimated 176,000 to 189,000, a study has said. The GOP has all of this blood on their hands, and much, much more...
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Oh yeah right...back when they pulled that prank off I and many people told the GOP to go F' themselves but she somehow was fooled to vote for it and continued to re-authorize that war over and over again.

False intel or not, she voted for it...and kept supporting it for years after. For you to defend her is an absolute joke.

If I voted back then Id give them the middle finger. Its that simple.

Even if the intel was accurate I wouldnt have voted for that war, so try again.
 
ax1 said:
Hitlery also voted for 21 more times to re-authorize Iraq war funding, so why would I need to speculate anything?

I mean seriously, you come here and are hard core on conservatives for not saying enough about Bush and Cheney accountable for their war crimes, yet you yourself would vote for the very same policies.
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I'm not stupid. Once you start a war, you need to end it.
Yes the DNP had to cleanup the mess that that GOP left behind.
 
Gutterpump said:
So, a question for the conservatives here - when is Bush/Cheney and Clinton who I would vote for anyways are going to be held accountable for leading us into that false war that killed thousands and cost us billions if not over a trillion dollars already. Why so focused on emails, surely your party has done worse? Why not hold them accountable? Don't talk about votes from Dems or this or that, it all falls on their shoulders. As I said, they were our leaders and those war mongering war criminals led us into it and I would continue to vote for politicians that support these policies.
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ROFL!!!!! But for real!
 
Gutterpump said:
I'm not stupid. Once you start a war, you need to end it.
Yes the DNP had to cleanup the mess that that GOP left behind.
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They want you to think you need to end it.

We marched right in, we march right out. These days genocidalists such as Obama end wars dated AFTER they leave office. What a joke.

You know damn well the money involved with these wars and the money/support that goes into Hitleries pockets.

Hitlery is a straight up war criminal and you wish you can vote for her this November.

She is a part of the problem you come across to be so concerned about.
 
Gutterpump said:
I find it highly doubtful in the next 4 years that we will fully invade another country.
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“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

Hitlery Clinton
 
Gutterpump said:
I'm not stupid. Once you start a war, you need to end it.
Yes the DNP had to cleanup the mess that that GOP left behind.
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We dont need to clean up any mess, as Ron Paul always says, "we marched right in, we march right out."

Nice job after 8 years of Obama btw...real nice. Bush's 3rd and 4th term.

Now the GOP needs to clean up the mess the DNP left behind, in Lybia, in Syria, and all over the middle east. You do know the DNP send billions and billions of dollars in weapons, arms, equipment that belong to ISIS now right? And lets not act as if this is the only time in history DNP didnt screw up stuff globally. Besides the current new mess the DNP got us in if you look back at Vietnam for example, that was launched by the DNP with escalations by both JFK and then Johnson and ended with Nixon.

You really think there is much of a difference between the two, there is not. They are one party, and conservatives and liberals within the system primarily support mostly the same policies. They simply take turns pretending to be saviors of the galaxy within the same system and constantly maintain their duopoly power structure.

But yeah, keep your fingers crossed Hitlery wins because she wont change anything from the Bush/Cheney years (which was a VERY long time ago by now) Just like Obama was Bush's 3rd and 4th term, Hitlery will absolutely with all certainty be Bush/Cheney's 5th term and continue to slaughter and genocide to the middle eastern people and who knows what else.
 
ax1 said:
“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

Hitlery Clinton
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Oooof yeah that's bad. I'm a big supporter of the Persian people. They don't deserve war. Just regime change. The change has to come from within though. But after saying that, I doubt the US will start a war with Iran. Doesn't make sense.

Also, Democrats have been trying to be diplomatic with them, it's the conservatives who want to go to war with Iran and are being aggressive with them, because of I$rael.
 
Gutterpump said:
Oooof yeah that's bad. I'm a big supporter of the Persian people. They don't deserve war. Just regime change. The change has to come from within though. But after saying that, I doubt the US will start a war with Iran. Doesn't make sense.

Also, Democrats have been trying to be diplomatic with them, it's the conservatives who want to go to war with Iran and are being aggressive with them, because of I$rael.
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Its really retarded...its all bed and games with China but the Iranianianianianssss......I think this has more to do with the influence of religion and Israel more than anything, and plus Iran doesnt have nearly as much to contribute to the globalist agenda as China does.

Iran wont blow up Isreal, its just ridiculous imo. They are smart enough to know not to do that, and I cant blame them for wanting nukes too especially after what they saw happen to some of their neighboring countries.
 
Gutterpump said:
Also, Democrats have been trying to be diplomatic with them, it's the conservatives who want to go to war with Iran and are being aggressive with them, because of I$rael.
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Do you consider 150 billion dollars of US tax money handed over to the Iranian government diplomacy? That would be considered domestic terrorism right here in the USA dont you think? They steal our money and give it to what they considered a "terrorist organization" when we really need our money spent here and we are trillions in debt. They let our troops rot to death in hospital basements to save money, but I mean really there is diplomacy and then there is retarded diplomacy.
 
Gutterpump said:
I read that it was their own money, which was tied up due to sanctions.
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Ill look into that havent heard about that. I would drop all sanctions right away with Iran and all other countries, sanctions are an act of war. Let the country get rich and modernize. Sanctions hurt the civilians the most, the people on top still live like kings.
 
ax1 said:
Ill look into that havent heard about that. I would drop all sanctions right away with Iran and all other countries, sanctions are an act of war. Let the country get rich and modernize. Sanctions hurt the civilians the most, the people on top still live like kings.
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Yeah, the lying liar (Trump) is lying again. Surprise, surprise.

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I'm so f---ing tired of Breitbart and other wingnuts spreading false $h1t through Trump. He's such a crybaby. He only moans about polls when he is down, otherwise he loves them. Now he's calling the whole election rigged, and encouraging his supporters to "watch the polls". Now they're saying that they will "revolt" if Hillary wins, and that she should be assassinated. Is this Russia or another country that doesn't have free elections? IMO, it's unpatriotic to say such things.

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From the Boston Globe article (bold and underlining emphasis mine):

"And if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem.


“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures."
 
ax1 said:
Ill look into that havent heard about that. I would drop all sanctions right away with Iran and all other countries, sanctions are an act of war. Let the country get rich and modernize. Sanctions hurt the civilians the most, the people on top still live like kings.
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I agree. I feel really bad for the people in Iran and North Korea.
 
Misfit28 said:
Yeah, the lying liar (Trump) is lying again. Surprise, surprise.

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I'm so f---ing tired of Breitbart and other wingnuts spreading false $h1t through Trump. He's such a crybaby. He only moans about polls when he is down, otherwise he loves them. Now he's calling the whole election rigged, and encouraging his supporters to "watch the polls". Now they're saying that they will "revolt" if Hillary wins, and that she should be assassinated. Is this Russia or another country that doesn't have free elections? IMO, it's unpatriotic to say such things.

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From the Boston Globe article (bold and underlining emphasis mine):

"And if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem.


“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures."
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If its Iran's money, its their money. We have no right to keep holding on to it. Give it back to them and then you simply open up be friends, trade and compete with them.

The elections, in particular the big ones have always been rigged to a certain extent in several different ways and not just at the poll. Trump isnt saying anything new.

Im not into any violent rebellion and bloodshed regardless of who wins/cheats. The problem and threats however is coming from both sides of the equation including those not in the equation.
 
David Dunn said:
Looks like some democrats have already started the violence/destruction

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Nothing is conclusive on that yet. Nice try, though. In fact, Hillary expressed sympathy for the attack before Trump's crazy accusation with no evidence.

Democrats even opened a GoFundMe to support the quick re-opening of the office:

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They surpassed their $10,000 goal in 40 minutes.

All Trump can say is it is because they are "winning". He's delusional. I also didn't see him helping with re-opening the headquarters for HIS OWN PARTY.
 
ax1 said:
If its Iran's money, its their money. We have no right to keep holding on to it. Give it back to them and then you simply open up be friends, trade and compete with them.

The elections, in particular the big ones have always been rigged to a certain extent in several different ways. Trump isnt saying anything new.

Im not into any violent rebellion and bloodshed regardless of who wins/cheats. The problem and threats however is coming from both sides of the equation.
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Can you show me the threats that Hillary supporters have made?
 
Misfit28 said:
Can you show me the threats that Hillary supporters have made?
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Ive seen it around thats for sure, Im going to pass on being a google goblin right now though, lol

Anyone voting for Hitlery supports genocide anyways so count them all in.
 
ax1 said:
Ive seen it around thats for sure, Im going to pass on being a google goblin right now though, lol

Anyone voting for Hitlery supports genocide anyways so count them all in.
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Yeah, that's a bit different than calling for the assassination of someone. Also, open revolution.

Let me know when you see that ;)
 
Misfit28 said:
All Trump can say is it is because they are "winning". He's delusional. I also didn't see him helping with re-opening the headquarters for HIS OWN PARTY.
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I learned my lesson back when it was Bush vs. Kerry, at that time it was very emotional election for me after 4 years of Bush and not knowing about Kerry's true life/connections that speculation before the election means nothing. I thought it was IMPOSSIBLE for Bush to win re-election. Any candidate that thinks they are winning is delusional, but really just because he says that doesnt mean he thinks that, politics is more about psychology rather than telling the truth.
 
Misfit28 said:
Yeah, that's a bit different than calling for the assassination of someone. Also, open revolution.

Let me know when you see that ;)
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I could have sworn Ive heard it several times in this thread already, lol
 
Misfit28 said:
LOL, you might have. Pretty darn sure it wasn't me though.
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Some people including myself say things irrationally too out of emotion when things heat up. Its not a great excuse though but you know what I mean.
 
Misfit28 said:
Nothing is conclusive on that yet. Nice try, though. In fact, Hillary expressed sympathy for the attack before Trump's crazy accusation with no evidence.

Democrats even opened a GoFundMe to support the quick re-opening of the office:

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They surpassed their $10,000 goal in 40 minutes.

All Trump can say is it is because they are "winning". He's delusional. I also didn't see him helping with re-opening the headquarters for HIS OWN PARTY.
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Who do you suppose then would write those words and start that fire?
 
David Dunn said:
Who do you suppose then would write those words and start that fire?
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I'll go into conspiracy land and say Trump supporters did it :)

Who knows, really? Until the police conclude their investigation, noone knows. Why toss about accusations with no proof?

Oh, that's right. That's what Trump does all the time......
 
And death threats from Trump supporters after the Arizona Republic endorsed Hillary instead of Trump, after more than 125 years of supporting Republicans:

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I think "deplorables" seems to fit more and more every day.
 
Misfit28 said:
I'll go into conspiracy land and say Trump supporters did it :)

Who knows, really? Until the police conclude their investigation, noone knows. Why toss about accusations with no proof?

Oh, that's right. That's what Trump does all the time......
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So you're saying there is no proof it wasn't a democrat.

"Nazi Republicans leave town or else" certainly doesn't sound pro republican to you, does it? Regardless.
 
David Dunn said:
So you're saying there is no proof it wasn't a democrat.

"Nazi Republicans leave town or else" certainly doesn't sound pro republican to you, does it? Regardless.
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There's no proof that it was or wasn't a Democrat. Why couldn't it be a Libertarian of the anarchist persuasion? A Trump supporter trying to enrage Republicans to improve his poll numbers?

You're making accusations with NO PROOF. If it comes out that a Democrat did do it, I'll gladly admit that you were right.

Until then, it is simply speculation.
 
Looks like the FBI officially wears the same tinfoil hat that I do.

In FBI released documents they claim "Shadow Government" ran Hitleries investigation.

And people think the system is not rigged and laugh at Dump for saying so, ROFL!

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“There was a powerful group of very high ranking STATE officials that some referred to as “The 7th Floor Group” or “The Shadow Government.” This group met every Wednesday afternoon to discuss the FOIA process, Congressional records and everything CLINTON-related to FOIA/Congressional inquiries,” states page 56 of the document.

The document goes on to list some members of this “shadow government,” which includes John Kerry and Jonathan Finer, Chief of Staff and Director of Policy Planning at the State Department, and Patrick Kennedy, undersecretary of state for management.

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ax1 said:
Looks like the FBI officially wears the same tinfoil hat that I do.

In FBI released documents they claim "Shadow Government" ran Hitleries investigation.

And people think the system is not rigged and laugh at Dump for saying so, ROFL!

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“There was a powerful group of very high ranking STATE officials that some referred to as “The 7th Floor Group” or “The Shadow Government.” This group met every Wednesday afternoon to discuss the FOIA process, Congressional records and everything CLINTON-related to FOIA/Congressional inquiries,” states page 56 of the document.

The document goes on to list some members of this “shadow government,” which includes John Kerry and Jonathan Finer, Chief of Staff and Director of Policy Planning at the State Department, and Patrick Kennedy, undersecretary of state for management.

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Interesting. Point of fact is that the FBI didn't coin that phrase, they said "that some referred to". It will be interesting to see what is said about this.

As I said before, many of the conspiracy theories are just plain nuts. Some may have a nugget of truth with outlandish claims attached. I try to look at them separately before passing judgment. That's a LARGE file, the whole thing is here: Invalid Link Removed
 
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