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I guess I can see the hasidics having tons of kids due to some religious belief. But why the damaged cars??? I thought the stereotype was that Asians were the bad drivers..... 😃😀😄😁

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More specifically damaged mini-vans! I mean they are extremely consistent here. Whenever we see them we know exactly what exist they take off the highway.

They are totally exploiting the welfare and benefit system, pretty much everybody I know aware of them knows it.
 
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More specifically damaged mini-vans! I mean they are extremely consistent here. Whenever we see them we know exactly what exist they take off the highway.

They are totally exploiting the welfare and benefit system, pretty much everybody I know aware of them knows it.
that totally destroys farrakhans racism towards jews--he seems to think ALL jews are wealthy.....just like biden thinks no white people are poor---these people have lost touch with reality--unfortunately one is a 'religious' leader and the other is president....and people wonder why this country is in such a mess!!!
 
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Why do Dem-Libs get so obsessed with "effective tax rates". Money is money.

At the end of the day, say Bezos pays 10 million to the government in taxes, and his secretary pays 10,000. They both use the same government services, same roads, same military defense. But one guy is giving the government 1000 times more money for the same services.

So what if its a lower percent of the total earned?? HOW they come up with the amount of money means nothing, just word games, compared to how much total money is given in the end.

The top 1% pay 40% of the total of all taxes received. While almost half of the country pays nothing at all. Fair is disgustingly relative.

How about we spend less and tax everyone less? How about EVERYONE pays a little something into the pot each year, never zero.. and yeah, that should apply to corporations too.
Not true at all. Bezos uses far more from the govt (wage subsidies for his team etc) than his secretary does.

It doesn't matter what the total dollar value is, what actually matters is that the richest person on the planet pays less than 1% tax while his poverty staff give up so much more. Money that would be better spent just trying to live, afford decent housing, healthcare and food. Instead, their boss pays less than a percent of tax, flew to space while some of his staff battle poverty.

His company is built on the backs of his staff and their talent. He might have started the company, but his contribution to it has not been 1000000x the effort of his bottom line employees.

Paying less than a percent is not paying your fair share.
 
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Wow this is fascinating. Haven’t finished this but posting as it’s getting taken down very quickly apparently
Classic, claim to be an authority, post anonymously because "you're exposing the truth", claim that your knowledge is so truthful it gets struck down quickly then profit.

Love it
 
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Not true at all. Bezos uses far more from the govt (wage subsidies for his team etc) than his secretary does.

It doesn't matter what the total dollar value is, what actually matters is that the richest person on the planet pays less than 1% tax while his poverty staff give up so much more. Money that would be better spent just trying to live, afford decent housing, healthcare and food. Instead, their boss pays less than a percent of tax, flew to space while some of his staff battle poverty.

His company is built on the backs of his staff and their talent. He might have started the company, but his contribution to it has not been 1000000x the effort of his bottom line employees.

Paying less than a percent is not paying your fair share.
what you fail to realize is if his staff is POVERTY then they will get ALL of their taxes back PLUS most likely additional money back over what they paid due to deductions...in effect they will get back more than they paid.

to summarize: not only do his POVERTY staff get back every cent they paid in taxes they actually get back a additional bonus!!!
 
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Classic, claim to be an authority, post anonymously because "you're exposing the truth", claim that your knowledge is so truthful it gets struck down quickly then profit.

Love it
Profit how?

And the fact that you found zero value in the article shows you’re blind to your agenda.
 
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what you fail to realize is if his staff is POVERTY then they will get ALL of their taxes back PLUS most likely additional money back over what they paid due to deductions...in effect they will get back more than they paid.

to summarize: not only do his POVERTY staff get back every cent they paid in taxes they actually get back a additional bonus!!!
Official poverty levels are far lower set standard than $15 hour workers right? Not home so can’t look, plus I’m busy scouting for more beat up mini-vans
 
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lebron james says he choose to get vaccinated but...'i think everyone has their own choice'

NBA players won't be required to be vaccinated BUT-referees and all team and all arena personnel who interact with players are required to get vaccinated.

ok, lebron where is your statement in defense of those people having a CHOICE, i can't find it...lebron, you should tell the NBA you aint gonna play unless those people have the SAME equal rights to choice that you have--YEAH RIGHT 💩
 
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Official poverty levels are far lower set standard than $15 hour workers right? Not home so can’t look, plus I’m busy scouting for more beat up mini-vans
i am replying to his post where he said bezos staff lives in poverty.

i actually don't think they do-but just going by what he said:unsure:
 
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Profit how?

And the fact that you found zero value in the article shows your blind to your agenda.
The fact you found value shows how gullible you are to "anonymous experts".

It's very easy to find information on how the virus works, post it in an article to establish credibility, then spout complete nonsense under a pseudonym under the pretense that the person will suffer great consequence if their identity was ever known.
 
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Profit how?

And the fact that you found zero value in the article shows your blind to your agenda.
If you genuinely think this is real, you're bonkers.

"For the wealthy, neural laces would be an unequaled boon, giving them the opportunity to enhance their intelligence with neuroprosthetics (i.e. an “exocortex”), and to deliver irresistible commands directly into the minds of their BCI-augmented servants, even physically or sexually abusive commands that they would normally refuse.

If the vaccine is a method to surreptitiously introduce an injectable BCI into millions of people without their knowledge or consent, then what we are witnessing is the rise of a tyrannical regime unlike anything ever seen before on the face of this planet, one that fully intends to strip every man, woman, and child of our free will"
 
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Official poverty levels are far lower set standard than $15 hour workers right? Not home so can’t look, plus I’m busy scouting for more beat up mini-vans
Official poverty is <25k per year for a family of 4.

Living wage is higher than that but many companies are opposed that because it hurts shareholder returns and churn out the mistrust that it will cause a rise in costs, something which many smaller companies with higher minimum wages dispute.

Smaller food chains have demonstrated this by having low cost food items BUT pay their staff an actual living wage.
 
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Official poverty levels are far lower set standard than $15 hour workers right? Not home so can’t look, plus I’m busy scouting for more beat up mini-vans
Official poverty is <25k per year for a family of 4.

Living wage is higher than that but many companies are opposed that because it hurts shareholder returns and churn out the mistrust that it will cause a rise in costs, something which many smaller companies with higher minimum wages dispute.
 
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Official poverty is <25k per year for a family of 4.

Living wage is higher than that but many companies are opposed that because it hurts shareholder returns and churn out the mistrust that it will cause a rise in costs, something which many smaller companies with higher minimum wages dispute.
25k is shyt garbage in New York especially for a family of 4, even family of 2. Some other states may be so so, but really 30k+ your still poor.

Government declares what "poverty" is, big LMFAO they are either out of touch with reality or just playing games, I say both.
 
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i am replying to his post where he said bezos staff lives in poverty.

i actually don't think they do-but just going by what he said:unsure:
He has created ALOT of good paying jobs and keeps expanding thats for sure.

Now the $15/hr workers really dont have it good, but thats really a individual thing and other politics which I wont get into here such as cost of living. I wouldnt really blame Bezos for that, plus he has been raising his wages up above both federal and state minimums.
 
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25k is shyt garbage in New York especially for a family of 4, even family of 2. Some other states may be so so, but really 30k+ your still poor.

Government declares what "poverty" is, big LMFAO they are either out of touch with reality or just playing games, I say both.
Yeah thats like actual actual poverty. But really if you work full time and you're paid anything where you still require govt assistance to top you up is poverty.

If Amazon can afford to spend 5.5B to send Bezos to space for 4 minutes, then they CAN afford to pay their staff enough that they don't require govt assistance.
 
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Yeah thats like actual actual poverty. But really if you work full time and you're paid anything where you still require govt assistance to top you up is poverty.

If Amazon can afford to spend 5.5B to send Bezos to space for 4 minutes, then they CAN afford to pay their staff enough that they don't require govt assistance.
I assume he also created a nice chunk of his high paying jobs with his own space programs that wouldnt have existed if he hadnt made a fortune to begin with. When people have accesses they likely take more chances and risks and create more wealth for others rather than having more mediocre jobs.

Being someone who has been poor and even homeless in my life in the past, I always see it as what is it that I could do for myself to be in better position to earn income, but before that came to plans my biggest complain in life was they the hell is life, rent, cost of living so damn high. And that was in the 90s, things are way more expensive and the purchasing power is far less now these days in NY.
 
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25k is shyt garbage in New York especially for a family of 4, even family of 2. Some other states may be so so, but really 30k+ your still poor.

Government declares what "poverty" is, big LMFAO they are either out of touch with reality or just playing games, I say both.
the government is out of touch, no doubt...there are employee shortages in every chain store i go into and they all have help wanted signs, but yet biden's mandate threatens to fire employees. besides the fact that i don't agree with forcing people to do what the government says or loose job, it's just stupid.
 
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Yeah thats like actual actual poverty. But really if you work full time and you're paid anything where you still require govt assistance to top you up is poverty.

If Amazon can afford to spend 5.5B to send Bezos to space for 4 minutes, then they CAN afford to pay their staff enough that they don't require govt assistance.
if you can afford a vacation then you are over paid...if you can afford a house over the average then you are over paid...if you can affoed to go to a restaurant then you are over paid...if you can afford a plumber then you are REALLY over paid;)
 
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to summarize: not only do his POVERTY staff get back every cent they paid in taxes they actually get back a additional bonus!!!
On the other hand, people in poverty still need to cover for whats stolen from the middle class and rich which = increased cost of living. One way or another, high taxes on rich will equate to trickle down economics no matter what.
 
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On the other hand, people in poverty still need to cover for whats stolen from the middle class and rich which = increased cost of living. One way or another, high taxes on rich will equate to trickle down economics no matter what.
yes, and raising minimum wage will have same effect...the government should realize they can't legislate poor people out of poverty--the people who escape poverty did it with hard work and determination-the same way i made a good life for my family with only a HS degree-i busted my ass.
 
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yes, and raising minimum wage will have same effect...the government should realize they can't legislate poor people out of poverty--the people who escape poverty did it with hard work and determination-the same way i made a good life for my family with only a HS degree-i busted my ass.
Ive been around so many poor people around my youth, generally their focus was smoking pot, drinking, playing video games, hanging out wasting time, not going to a free library, not looking into acquiring new skills perhaps looking for a vocational school, etc.......Yeah that was me too, although I decided wake up around 22-23 and get on track with my life, go to college and focus more on bettering myself and eliminating toxic people in my life. I thank the discipline from weight training as a big credit for my turnaround. Some people find Jesus, I found weight plates and dumbbells, LOL!
 
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Ive been around so many poor people around my youth, generally their focus was smoking pot, drinking, playing video games, hanging out wasting time, not going to a free library, not looking into acquiring new skills perhaps looking for a vocational school, etc.......Yeah that was me too, although I decided wake up around 22-23 and get on track with my life, go to college and focus more on bettering myself and eliminating toxic people in my life. I thank the discipline from weight training as a big credit for my turnaround. Some people find Jesus, I found weight plates and dumbbells, LOL!
joining the navy got me out of that life...and then later finding GOD got me sobriety and my life really took on new meaning.

i truly feel blessed, but the choices i made are choices that are there for everyone if they choose...

imagine the impact obama could have on inner city chicago youths if he were to devote himself to inspiring them to work hard and get out of poverty--he could have a really positive impact if he were to dedicate himself to it.
 
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joining the navy got me out of that life...and then later finding GOD got me sobriety and my life really took on new meaning.

i truly feel blessed, but the choices i made are choices that are there for everyone if they choose...

imagine the impact obama could have on inner city chicago youths if he were to devote himself to inspiring them to work hard and get out of poverty--he could have a really positive impact if he were to dedicate himself to it.
Obobo's only dedication is to the CIA and the deep state.
 
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The way to challenge Jiigz' corporate heist would be for Bezos to shut the doors. Just close down. He has all the money he ever needs... why put up with the aggravation?

NOTHING more for the Democrats spend-o-rama. No more money from Bezos, the 1% (tens of millions of dollars) POOF, gone. And all the people complaining they were close to poverty get to experience the real thing. They all lose their jobs AND the Dems lose that tax revenue too.

Eventually the golden goose says F-off... LOL
 
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The way to challenge Jiigz' corporate heist would be for Bezos to shut the doors. Just close down. He has all the money he ever needs... why put up with the aggravation?

NOTHING more for the Democrats spend-o-rama. No more money from Bezos, the 1% (tens of millions of dollars) POOF, gone. And all the people complaining they were close to poverty get to experience the real thing. They all lose their jobs AND the Dems lose that tax revenue too.

Eventually the golden goose says F-off... LOL
Except he won't, because his shareholders wouldn't allow him too. He has a 10% stake in Amazon.

Plus if he did close up, then the govt would probably save on welfare for his staff on foodstamps which costs more than he paid in tax LOL

Amazon paid less in tax prior to 2018 than ANY tax paying citizen. And yet your tax dollars are helping feed his staff
 
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if you can afford a vacation then you are over paid...if you can afford a house over the average then you are over paid...if you can affoed to go to a restaurant then you are over paid...if you can afford a plumber then you are REALLY over paid;)
"If you can afford to not be a slave to your work while your boss flies to space then you're overpaid" is probably the weirdest take on this that I have read.
 
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Except he won't, because his shareholders wouldn't allow him too. He has a 10% stake in Amazon.

Plus if he did close up, then the govt would probably save on welfare for his staff on foodstamps which costs more than he paid in tax LOL

Amazon paid less in tax prior to 2018 than ANY tax paying citizen. And yet your tax dollars are helping feed his staff
They will just replace them all with robots in due time, that way they would be underpaying less people.
 
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yes, and raising minimum wage will have same effect...the government should realize they can't legislate poor people out of poverty--the people who escape poverty did it with hard work and determination-the same way i made a good life for my family with only a HS degree-i busted my ass.
MOST people your age could walk into any job without a qualification beyond high school, now they require a PhD to make a burger. If you did need a college degree then you could pay for that by working part time and studying. Nowadays a full time student needs a full time job to afford even just a fraction of their dues. It can't happen obviously, and the debt is astronomical. Even in the 90s you could buy a house for like 3-5x your salary, now at a minimum most places are 20x an average annual salary. My parents bought their first house for like 50k and my dad alone made that in a year lol. My first house cost 600k, and I can tell you now that isn't my annual salary.

Times have changed and you're still stuck in a 70's mindset of when houses cost 50 bucks and a pack of smokes
 
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He has created ALOT of good paying jobs and keeps expanding thats for sure.

Now the $15/hr workers really dont have it good, but thats really a individual thing and other politics which I wont get into here such as cost of living. I wouldnt really blame Bezos for that, plus he has been raising his wages up above both federal and state minimums.
Cost of living isn't his fault, but ethically if your company can afford to send you to space at a cost of 5.5B for 4 minutes, then they can definitely afford to pay you more.

With 500k employees at around $15 p/hr, the 5.5B could give each employee approx 11k more p/a.


the government is out of touch, no doubt...there are employee shortages in every chain store i go into and they all have help wanted signs, but yet biden's mandate threatens to fire employees. besides the fact that i don't agree with forcing people to do what the government says or loose job, it's just stupid.
If you look all over social media, people are not taking low paid jobs at supermarkets with no benefits on purpose. They're sick of it.

People everywhere are taking a stand against poverty wages for million dollar corps.
 
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Cost of living isn't his fault, but ethically if your company can afford to send you to space at a cost of 5.5B for 4 minutes, then they can definitely afford to pay you more.
Arent they in need of spending billions going into space and launching rockets over and over again?

And arent they advertising the beginnings of space travel? Of course if we are specifically keeping to just space travel topic, costs are going to be through rather astronomical until it is perfected efficiently and down to a consumer level service.

What Im trying to say is, 5.5 billion seems like alot to throw out, but we are talking about future space travel, and even future rocket high speed domestic travel creating the many good paying jobs of the future.

Innovation isnt cheap...innovation also requires many risk taking which also required a potential of a very high reward. Think how much the first calculators cost? They filled up an entire room, we could have made the argument money would have been better spent paying the janitor cleaning toilets better wages.
 
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If you look all over social media, people are not taking low paid jobs at supermarkets with no benefits on purpose. They're sick of it.

People everywhere are taking a stand against poverty wages for million dollar corps.
Its easy to go on social media and protest when government in printing trillions of dollars out of thin air to have people stay home and do nothing for over a year in a half. They are going to be hurt long term, except for the few smart ones that took advantage of the extra income and did something with it to prop them up with the party is over.

It has nothing to do with being sick of anything, it’s just they they can afford to be sick of it temporarily until the food that feeds them has you running the machines again because every penny they were given must be paid back at their own expense.
 
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Arent they in need of spending billions going into space and launching rockets over and over again?

And arent they advertising the beginnings of space travel? Of course if we are specifically keeping to just space travel topic, costs are going to be through rather astronomical until it is perfected efficiently and down to a consumer level service.

What Im trying to say is, 5.5 billion seems like alot to throw out, but we are talking about future space travel, and even future rocket high speed domestic travel creating the many good paying jobs of the future.

Innovation isnt cheap...innovation also requires many risk taking which also required a potential of a very high reward. Think how much the first calculators cost? They filled up an entire room, we could have made the argument money would have been better spent paying the janitor cleaning toilets better wages.
There's definitely no understanding the value of innovation, the point is that the 5.5B barely scratches at the disposable or leveragable finances of Amazon. They have access to hordes of cash, far more than that 5.5B.

Gravity Payments have a 70k minimum wage, and they have seen profits soar and employee retention increase HUGE amounts. Lots of companies are following suit and noticing similar trends.
 
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MOST people your age could walk into any job without a qualification beyond high school, now they require a PhD to make a burger. If you did need a college degree then you could pay for that by working part time and studying. Nowadays a full time student needs a full time job to afford even just a fraction of their dues. It can't happen obviously, and the debt is astronomical. Even in the 90s you could buy a house for like 3-5x your salary, now at a minimum most places are 20x an average annual salary. My parents bought their first house for like 50k and my dad alone made that in a year lol. My first house cost 600k, and I can tell you now that isn't my annual salary.

Times have changed and you're still stuck in a 70's mindset of when houses cost 50 bucks and a pack of smokes
thanks for the laugh :D

i did have a good job because i worked my way up after starting at bottom. but got laid off in 2008 and had to cash in 401k and sold our house to have money to start my business--i could have just sold house and collected unemployment for the next 2-3 years like many did back then...it was a real risk cashing in 401k early, not only did the stock market crash but the penalties were awful-i probably ended up with a 4th of what it was worth in 2007. my whole lifes savings were at risk when i started my business but hard work and hustle paid off again.

i was born dirt poor and worked very hard for everything i ever had---how about you?

tell me about your poor upbringing.
 
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There's definitely no understanding the value of innovation, the point is that the 5.5B barely scratches at the disposable or leveragable finances of Amazon. They have access to hordes of cash, far more than that 5.5B.

Gravity Payments have a 70k minimum wage, and they have seen profits soar and employee retention increase HUGE amounts. Lots of companies are following suit and noticing similar trends.
it's kind of like covid vaccines-it's great if you choose to get one, but i'm not for the government telling people they HAVE to get them.
 
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There's definitely no understanding the value of innovation, the point is that the 5.5B barely scratches at the disposable or leveragable finances of Amazon. They have access to hordes of cash, far more than that 5.5B.

Gravity Payments have a 70k minimum wage, and they have seen profits soar and employee retention increase HUGE amounts. Lots of companies are following suit and noticing similar trends.
If its honest money I really dont care how much they make, but I can agree there are issue's here. For one thing, various areas on the country have the audacity to give Amazon and other major tech companies tax free havens in order to seduce to go to them. Its good for the economy and jobs, but at the same time this isnt a equal playing field for the smaller and middle class business people, its not fair.

The bigs are in the pockets of the policy makers, most changes and regulations are usually in the favor of the big guy although most people think its to help the little guy.

There certainly is alot of dishonesty, disadvantages and corruption (I include those "legal" ones too!) that allows these bigs to go full steam ahead, but other than that if its a honest buck I could care less how many quadrillions they make if its on a equal playing field.
 
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I normally sniff kids out, this time I snuffed 'em out man, cmon? Orange man had some mean Tweets though, whew (and best economy in 50 years, safer borders, etc) but whew, glad those mean Tweets are gone! I mean, 20K Refugee's allowed in, RONA+, raping kids and military women man, but no mean Tweets man??? Cartel's, human trafficking, forced Vax, firing nurses, I'm a bad dude man, Cmon"???
 
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thanks for the laugh :D

i did have a good job because i worked my way up after starting at bottom. but got laid off in 2008 and had to cash in 401k and sold our house to have money to start my business--i could have just sold house and collected unemployment for the next 2-3 years like many did back then...it was a real risk cashing in 401k early, not only did the stock market crash but the penalties were awful-i probably ended up with a 4th of what it was worth in 2007. my whole lifes savings were at risk when i started my business but hard work and hustle paid off again.

i was born dirt poor and worked very hard for everything i ever had---how about you?

tell me about your poor upbringing.
How does you deciding to gamble your 401 make you poor? If I heard that right, you HAD the money AND decided to gamble starting a business with it. If you could start a business, how are you poor??

Plus how did any of that dismiss how much easier it was for people to walk in to a job AND buy your first home that long ago??
 
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How does you deciding to gamble your 401 make you poor? If I heard that right, you HAD the money AND decided to gamble starting a business with it. If you could start a business, how are you poor??

Plus how did any of that dismiss how much easier it was for people to walk in to a job AND buy your first home that long ago??
How are you feeling about martial law being imposed on your neighbors by sending hundreds of military against their own people? Punishing poor people $5k Australian dollars for getting caught out of the house?
 
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it's kind of like covid vaccines-it's great if you choose to get one, but i'm not for the government telling people they HAVE to get them.
Yeah I get this for sure.
 
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How are you feeling about martial law being imposed on your neighbors by sending hundreds of military against their own people? Punishing poor people $5k Australian dollars for getting caught out of the house?
Lockdown clearly isn't working for Aussie. They need to find a new strategy. They're almost 300 days in lockdown in Melbourne. That's insane
 
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Lockdown clearly isn't working for Aussie. They need to find a new strategy. They're almost 300 days in lockdown in Melbourne. That's insane
I heard they have been sucking crap at getting vaccines rolled out too, I thought they would be the ones to be on top of that?

This is 2 weeks old but I was just looking for it because I heard about it earlier.

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison is under fire for a sluggish vaccine rollout, with 19.65% of its population fully vaccinated, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. This is far below numbers seen in the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union -- despite Australia's smaller population.
 
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How does you deciding to gamble your 401 make you poor? If I heard that right, you HAD the money AND decided to gamble starting a business with it. If you could start a business, how are you poor??

Plus how did any of that dismiss how much easier it was for people to walk in to a job AND buy your first home that long ago??
BTW the point isn't to dismiss individual struggle. Everyone fights their own battles, but the point is that if you ask a 20 year old now when they think they could afford a house it is depressing.

In NZ, we needee a 20% deposit on a 600,000 house. So $120,000 liquid cash. Average Auckland houseprice is 900k, so you'd need $180k cash.

How many people have that kind of savings?
 
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How does you deciding to gamble your 401 make you poor? If I heard that right, you HAD the money AND decided to gamble starting a business with it. If you could start a business, how are you poor??

Plus how did any of that dismiss how much easier it was for people to walk in to a job AND buy your first home that long ago??
the important part that you decided to skip was that i was BORN POOR.


i have 50 cents that says you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth... :unsure:
 
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BTW the point isn't to dismiss individual struggle. Everyone fights their own battles, but the point is that if you ask a 20 year old now when they think they could afford a house it is depressing.

In NZ, we needee a 20% deposit on a 600,000 house. So $120,000 liquid cash. Average Auckland houseprice is 900k, so you'd need $180k cash.

How many people have that kind of savings?
let me tell you something...if you think it was any easier being poor in the 70s than it is today you are stupid--every generation has it's problems...poor has never been fun

unless you were a dirt poor kid growing up in 70s America you are not qualified to tell me it was easier then than now....not to mention that many poor kids in my generation were drafted and sent to nam-since i was 7 years old up until i was 17 guys were getting drafted and sent to nam. i missed nam by 1 year. i enlisted in 76 and got a lot of heat for enlisting-my mothers house was egged-there was a huge anti-military sentiment following nam--but you wouldn't know about that-eh?

how old are you?
 
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let me tell you something...if you think it was any easier being poor in the 70s than it is today you are stupid--every generation has it's problems...poor has never been fun

unless you were a dirt poor kid growing up in 70s America you are not qualified to tell me it was easier then than now.

how old are you?
It was certainly easier to get a job without a qualification and easier to buy a house.

Poor is poor of course, but things were a lot more affordable for the majority back then.

The problem is so many of the older generation just say "suck it up and work your way up like I did", when now student debt is astronomical compared to back then, cost of living has skyrocketed, house prices are 10x what they were with a lower debt:income needed and lower down-payment, and the minimum wage equivalent was roughly the same if not MORE than it is now.

Times are not the same. Back in the 90s and before, middle class Americans held a majority of all wealth, now it is the top few percent who do.

But people are still saying "well when I was 20 I had to work hard to get where I am blah blah" when it was considerably and verifiably EASIER than it is now.
 
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BTW the point isn't to dismiss individual struggle. Everyone fights their own battles, but the point is that if you ask a 20 year old now when they think they could afford a house it is depressing.

In NZ, we needee a 20% deposit on a 600,000 house. So $120,000 liquid cash. Average Auckland houseprice is 900k, so you'd need $180k cash.

How many people have that kind of savings?
Why don't you just ship boat loads of immigrants into NZ to lower the competitive wages, and raise the demand and price of houses even more?

Oh, that would be a crappy idea and make the current problem (including spread of covid) much worse.

Yeah.
 
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It was certainly easier to get a job without a qualification and easier to buy a house.

Poor is poor of course, but things were a lot more affordable for the majority back then.

The problem is so many of the older generation just say "suck it up and work your way up like I did", when now student debt is astronomical compared to back then, cost of living has skyrocketed, house prices are 10x what they were with a lower debt:income needed and lower down-payment, and the minimum wage equivalent was roughly the same if not MORE than it is now.

Times are not the same. Back in the 90s and before, middle class Americans held a majority of all wealth, now it is the top few percent who do.

But people are still saying "well when I was 20 I had to work hard to get where I am blah blah" when it was considerably and verifiably EASIER than it is now.
i guess if you told a black person you know what it's like to be black because you have read about it and studied it--that they would agree you sure do know what it's like to be black!!!
 
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Why don't you just ship boat loads of immigrants into NZ to lower the competitive wages, and raise the demand and price of houses even more?

Oh, that would be a crappy idea and make the current problem (including spread of covid) much worse.

Yeah.
and sacrifice HIS health and wealth.... 🤪
 

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