Does anyone still use straight creatine?

TGBgirl21 said:
I use Metabolic Nutrition C.G.P. It's a Creatine Glycerol Phosphate -- superior to Creatine Monohydrate. No Bloating. No Cramping. No Sugar. It also increases osmosis! You can buy 40 (10g) servings for about $26.99 online!
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How is it superior to creatine monohydrate? Monohydrate is just about 100% bioavailable, so superiority is just about non-existent. Monohydrate will not induce bloating or cramping if taken at a reasonable dose (~5g). Also the "no surgar" is strictly a marketing ploy since creatine itself does not contain sugar.

You can buy 200 5g servings of creatine monohydrate for ~$15 and yield the exact same results.
 
cjwav34 said:
How is it superior to creatine monohydrate? Monohydrate is just about 100% bioavailable, so superiority is just about non-existent. Monohydrate will not induce bloating or cramping if taken at a reasonable dose (~5g). Also the "no surgar" is strictly a marketing ploy since creatine itself does not contain sugar.

You can buy 200 5g servings of creatine monohydrate for ~$15 and yield the exact same results.
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Monohydrate at 3-5g a day bloats me. I use fairly cheap bulk HCL and it does the trick.
 
Maybe your just using crappy quality creatine mono. 3-5 grams shouldn't bloat you at all. Maybe its something else or something your mixing it with...What about pre-workouts with Creatine mono in them?. Do those bloat you too?
 
TGBgirl21 said:
I use Metabolic Nutrition C.G.P. It's a Creatine Glycerol Phosphate -- superior to Creatine Monohydrate. No Bloating. No Cramping. No Sugar. It also increases osmosis! You can buy 40 (10g) servings for about $26.99 online!
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Lol at it being superior and lol at that price.
 
T-Bone said:
Maybe your just using crappy quality creatine mono. 3-5 grams shouldn't bloat you at all. Maybe its something else or something your mixing it with...What about pre-workouts with Creatine mono in them?. Do those bloat you too?
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Well, SNS creatine makes me bloat. Maybe I should try another brand lol?
I have tried many brands over the years - they all do the same thing.
When they are removed from my diet, the bloating goes away.
I have not really been bothered by pre-workouts that have mono in them. Probably cause they are usually under dosed at gram / maybe two.
I have been using bulk creatine hcl for the longest time with success
 
TGBgirl21 said:
Creatine mono does cause bloating and upset stomach in a majority of our customers. Also absorption is not very good with out sugar to spike the insulin and shuttle it into the cells. A reasonable dose is not 5 g of creatine monohydrate it typically takes 20 grams to load then 5-10g to maintain recently there was a study posted two months ago in flex magazine. This study showed that after three weeks of a maintenance dose of 5 to 10 g a day, the muscle creatine levels returned to baseline meaning it showed no improvement over not using it. Creatine monohydrate dose varies depending on bodyweight. They recommend a 200 pound male to use 20 to 25 g of creatine per day to get continued benefits from creatine mono. Try taking it at the higher dose and you will get good results if your stomach isn't bothered by it. Creatine monohydrate is broken down more easily to creatinine which is the waste product of creatine. As I stated above CGP is a superior form of creatine with the attachment of the glycerol molecule which increases cellular Osmosis. It helps to shuttle the creatine and water into the muscle cell which is the desired goal. C.G.P. Also has the phosphate attached to the end of the molecule which stabilizes it so doesn't break down as easily in the stomach. Yes there are a lot of other creatives out there and truthfully most don't work as well as the creatine mono. For example creatine hydrochloride works great for strength and doesn't cause any bloating but doesn't actually increase muscle size as much as creatine mono in most people. Krealklyn also works similarly to Creatine hcl - doesn't cause much bloat prevents breakdown by the stomach, and is easier for the body to absorb but still also doesn't cause as much overall gains as you would get with creatine mono in most people. C.G.P. Is different and scientifically it makes sense. All I can say is if you have not used do not knock it because u don't know. We sell all these creatine at TGB Supplements. I don't care which one u buy but from what I see with local customers everyday and from our personal experiences this product is better. Take one scoop pre workout and one scoop post and use one scoop on off days and see for yourself.
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Lol at listening to a study in flex mag.

You only need 3-5g to maintain saturation. Bioavailability is fine.
 
I've used creatine for the past 4 years around 4g each day of training. I've been off of it for 5 months now and I can't notice a difference. Not saying it doesn't work, just may stay away from it until I decide to get more one day and see if I notice anything with it.
 
TGBgirl21 said:
Creatine mono does cause bloating and upset stomach in a majority of our customers. Also absorption is not very good with out sugar to spike the insulin and shuttle it into the cells. A reasonable dose is not 5 g of creatine monohydrate it typically takes 20 grams to load then 5-10g to maintain recently there was a study posted two months ago in flex magazine. This study showed that after three weeks of a maintenance dose of 5 to 10 g a day, the muscle creatine levels returned to baseline meaning it showed no improvement over not using it. Creatine monohydrate dose varies depending on bodyweight. They recommend a 200 pound male to use 20 to 25 g of creatine per day to get continued benefits from creatine mono. Try taking it at the higher dose and you will get good results if your stomach isn't bothered by it. Creatine monohydrate is broken down more easily to creatinine which is the waste product of creatine. As I stated above CGP is a superior form of creatine with the attachment of the glycerol molecule which increases cellular Osmosis. It helps to shuttle the creatine and water into the muscle cell which is the desired goal. C.G.P. Also has the phosphate attached to the end of the molecule which stabilizes it so doesn't break down as easily in the stomach. Yes there are a lot of other creatives out there and truthfully most don't work as well as the creatine mono. For example creatine hydrochloride works great for strength and doesn't cause any bloating but doesn't actually increase muscle size as much as creatine mono in most people. Krealklyn also works similarly to Creatine hcl - doesn't cause much bloat prevents breakdown by the stomach, and is easier for the body to absorb but still also doesn't cause as much overall gains as you would get with creatine mono in most people. C.G.P. Is different and scientifically it makes sense. All I can say is if you have not used do not knock it because u don't know. We sell all these creatine at TGB Supplements. I don't care which one u buy but from what I see with local customers everyday and from our personal experiences this product is better. Take one scoop pre workout and one scoop post and use one scoop on off days and see for yourself.
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bakerwil said:
Well, SNS creatine makes me bloat. Maybe I should try another brand lol? I have tried many brands over the years - they all do the same thing. When they are removed from my diet, the bloating goes away. I have not really been bothered by pre-workouts that have mono in them. Probably cause they are usually under dosed at gram / maybe two. I have been using bulk creatine hcl for the longest time with success
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There are people who are non-responders to creatine mono.
 
bakerwil said:
Well, SNS creatine makes me bloat. Maybe I should try another brand lol? I have tried many brands over the years - they all do the same thing. When they are removed from my diet, the bloating goes away. I have not really been bothered by pre-workouts that have mono in them. Probably cause they are usually under dosed at gram / maybe two. I have been using bulk creatine hcl for the longest time with success
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I blow up like a balloon with 5g/day of creatine monohydrate. Any suggestions on anything else? SNS MCC capsules were perfect for me, but they're extinct now. I was thinking of buying bulk MCC but would prefer capsules if possible.
 
todd muelheim said:
I blow up like a balloon with 5g/day of creatine monohydrate. Any suggestions on anything else? SNS MCC capsules were perfect for me, but they're extinct now. I was thinking of buying bulk MCC but would prefer capsules if possible.
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I find it hard to believe 5g of creatine monohydrate is causing you to "blow up like a balloon."
 
cjwav34 said:
I find it hard to believe 5g of creatine monohydrate is causing you to "blow up like a balloon."
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Thank you for your well thought out and helpful response. You are truly an asset to your organization and this community.
 
todd muelheim said:
Thank you for your well thought out and helpful response. You are truly an asset to your organization and this community.
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So someone questions you feedback and you get defensive? Why?

Roughly 95% of creatine's water retention is intracellular, resulting in your muscles having a fuller look. In other words if you're experiencing a bloating effect you're more than likely taking in over 5g. Do you consume a large amount of fish or red meat (2lbs+ of either) per day? If so there is a slight chance your skeletal muscle is already saturated with creatine cause a bloating effect with even a small dose of creatine monohydrate.

For the average 200lb person only 3g of creatine monohydrate is needed, so there isn't even a need for 5g for many of us.
 
cjwav34 said:
So someone questions you feedback and you get defensive? Why?

Roughly 95% of creatine's water retention is intracellular, resulting in your muscles having a fuller look. In other words if you're experiencing a bloating effect you're more than likely taking in over 5g. Do you consume a large amount of fish or red meat (2lbs+ of either) per day? If so there is a slight chance your skeletal muscle is already saturated with creatine cause a bloating effect with even a small dose of creatine monohydrate.

For the average 200lb person only 3g of creatine monohydrate is needed, so there isn't even a need for 5g for many of us.
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3g, 4-5 times a week for me.
 
cjwav34 said:
So someone questions you feedback and you get defensive? Why? Roughly 95% of creatine's water retention is intracellular, resulting in your muscles having a fuller look. In other words if you're experiencing a bloating effect you're more than likely taking in over 5g. Do you consume a large amount of fish or red meat (2lbs+ of either) per day? If so there is a slight chance your skeletal muscle is already saturated with creatine cause a bloating effect with even a small dose of creatine monohydrate. For the average 200lb person only 3g of creatine monohydrate is needed, so there isn't even a need for 5g for many of us.
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I weigh it on a scale so I'm taking in 5g, +/- 0.1g. I don't consume that much of those food choices per day. It's not so much defensive as I'm making a statement that I've verified countless times with more brands than I'd care to recall and you quickly find fault. Everyone reacts different to supplements so I'm not sure why this is so outrageous. I do however, thank you for your second response as it was truly informative and educational. I am going to drop to 3g/ day and see where things end up.
 
cjwav34 said:
So someone questions you feedback and you get defensive? Why?

Roughly 95% of creatine's water retention is intracellular, resulting in your muscles having a fuller look. In other words if you're experiencing a bloating effect you're more than likely taking in over 5g.
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Or the creatine is working.
 
I take AX's German Creatine Pre and IntraWorkout. I dont think I'll ever stop using creatine personally...
 
I dose it right in the am, screw it. Just keep the levels stable, I do not believe in having to take creatine at certain times.
 
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