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Does anybody not get gyno?

Blergs said:
Very well put ! recovery is still happening AND there is after effects to the serms after cession of their use. I usually rec getting blood work 2mo after PCT, never right after ( as some seem to do in a rush to check things out, but I feel its a waste and useless to go do bloods a week or two after PCT)

DR.Scally is one guy that although i feel is not intouch with reality/real world usages on many things, DOES have alot of great info and in this case it is one of them in relation to SERM and PCT information.
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I agree 100% man.
 
Blergs said:
that is not really true due to the fact recovery is still happening and your test IS crashed.. even after PCT you are still recovering in most cases. PCT is just to HELP recovery, just because you do a PCT good or bad , doesnt mean you are recovered and i assure you during you ARE crashed ( specially during start of PCT) and is one factor to most feeling a bit crappy during PCT.
even if you dont do PCT you would be slowly recovering.
BUT I do agree that recovery is not necessarily 100% guaranteed in some cases.
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We may be arguing the semantics of things here or atleast the specifics of what was unspecified. There is no doubt that your test will (most likely) be crashed or much lower than original baseline, during the very early stages of PCT; This is certainy user and compound dependent. Having said that, if your test remains crashed throughout your PCT and even beyond that, your PCT was not successful. I will stand by that statement and respectfully disagree with you there. Your test levels should be trending upward extremely early in PCT, if your supplements are legit. Like I mentioned though, it does depend alot on the user, his overall health and how suppressive the compounds were that he was running and for how long he was running them. There really are so many variables at play which is why in an earlier post I said I don't necessarily believe in the 4 week PCT and done. It will work for most but people really need to know their bodies and their hormone levels.

There is no doubt that recovery continues after your PCT supplements have ended. I have made that point a few times in this thread. Getting your body into it's healthy natural zone and maintaining that level for a while is all part of the process. Being hormonally stabile long before your next cycle is best for the body and the continued recovery we will undertake after future cycles.

As far as recovering without a PCT protocol. In most cases you absolutely will, albeit in a moderate to even severely delayed fashion. This again is user dependent. I think we can both agree thought that having a severely delayed return to baseline hormone levels defeats the process of juicing.

Blergs, I don't think we are really all thaaat far apart. You just need to agree with my one point on successful PCT and crashed test levels after the fact. Lol ;]
 
Is it a wise idea to run exemestane while on cycle then run nolva in pct?

It seems logical that keeping estrogen low while on cycle followed by a serm pct would be the best way to combat gyno, but some people suggest running the AI and SERM both post cycle so idk what approach is best
 
Bartmac36 said:
Is it a wise idea to run exemestane while on cycle then run nolva in pct?

It seems logical that keeping estrogen low while on cycle followed by a serm pct would be the best way to combat gyno, but some people suggest running the AI and SERM both post cycle so idk what approach is best
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Read previous posts in this thread for thoughts on that.
 
jason267 said:
not sure if this has been mentioned yet...
But running 30mg of Torem or 10mg Nolva DURING your cycle is a great way to keep the dreaded gyno away. I ran Torem during my last run, and it was a very stacked cycle indeed, everything turned out great...now, was that by chance or destiny or was it because i took a extra precaution? If it works, do it.
Old school bodybuilders started this and still use it. It makes sense.
Dealing with gyno on PCT should be taken care of with whatever serm and AI/estro control you are running.

A small amount of serm while "on", will NOT control your estrogen, but it will keep it from binding to your boobs....in theory.
Best of luck to us all!
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use an AI to avoid gyno and keep estro in check NOT a SERM... that it out dated and not healthy, high estrogen has other side effects than just gyno and i would be worried about them. keep estro in check with an AI, use SERM if upping AI or changing AI to help transition, but dont depend on it because its only a band aid masking the issue going on.
 
Bartmac36 said:
Is it a wise idea to run exemestane while on cycle then run nolva in pct?

It seems logical that keeping estrogen low while on cycle followed by a serm pct would be the best way to combat gyno, but some people suggest running the AI and SERM both post cycle so idk what approach is best
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AI during and SERM as PCT, ( I rec clomid and tamox combo over just one, at lower dose
 
Blergs, when combining Clomiphene and Tamoxifen for PCT, how do you adjust the dosages? My Clomid is 40mg/ml and Nolva is 20mg/ml.

Cycle will be 8 weeks of 2-Step conversion DHEAs - 4-AD, EpiAndro, and 19-Nor-DHEA (Decavol by AMS).
 
^exactly, and god knows what all he has pinned and pop'd.
But he also made enough money to go to a doc that helped him out, most likely some sort of AI, etc.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Blergs, when combining Clomiphene and Tamoxifen for PCT, how do you adjust the dosages? My Clomid is 40mg/ml and Nolva is 20mg/ml.

Cycle will be 8 weeks of 2-Step conversion DHEAs - 4-AD, EpiAndro, and 19-Nor-DHEA (Decavol by AMS).
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Yes I do (well now i am on hrt so dont bother) but it is what I recommend . eg if normally it is rec 30-40mg tamox ed and 50mg clomid ed on own i would and usually rec: 20mg tamox ed and 30-35mg clomid ed when combined. its more effective than using just one at higher dose. I wouldent worry too much since its a 8 week cycle but say if it was a 12wk + cycle or using very harsh ( on shut down) aas then i would STRONGLY rec the combo and maybe HCG the last few weeks of cycle up to pct (BUT NOT inot PCT)
 
jason267 said:
^exactly, and god knows what all he has pinned and pop'd.
But he also made enough money to go to a doc that helped him out, most likely some sort of AI, etc.
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back then they used SERMS if anything to avoid gyno, but that just covers up issue of high estrogen and there are other sides to hihgh estro, but it did keep gyno away, we just know better now and have better "tools"
 
Blergs said:
Yes I do (well now i am on hrt so dont bother) but it is what I recommend . eg if normally it is rec 30-40mg tamox ed and 50mg clomid ed on own i would and usually rec: 20mg tamox ed and 30-35mg clomid ed when combined. its more effective than using just one at higher dose. I wouldent worry too much since its a 8 week cycle but say if it was a 12wk + cycle or using very harsh ( on shut down) aas then i would STRONGLY rec the combo and maybe HCG the last few weeks of cycle up to pct (BUT NOT inot PCT)
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Awesome, thanks!
 
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