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Do You Ultra-Sten What I'm Saying?
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ricroc
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Day 12 mini-update:
I've noticed some irritability with the Ultra-Sten. Nothing to ruin my day, but I noticed I'm getting, or starting to get, short with people. Not in a confrontational way, let's just say my patience has been running thin, but I'm not the most patient person there is. I think too fast! But, it's good training for keeping my cool for when the fit really hits the shan and I can keep my head during a disaster.
I know I'm not even halfway done, but I was hoping for some tightness and hardness to start showing. I'm at work currently and I noticed that I look bigger when I saw my reflection in the mirror.
I've heard some people mention this stuff "kicking in", and I'm curious as to what this means, as in, what it feels like? Again, I know I'm still in the early phase, barely halfway, but just curious if it might take longer for me to respond to the Ultra-Sten.
Thanks
I've noticed some irritability with the Ultra-Sten. Nothing to ruin my day, but I noticed I'm getting, or starting to get, short with people. Not in a confrontational way, let's just say my patience has been running thin, but I'm not the most patient person there is. I think too fast! But, it's good training for keeping my cool for when the fit really hits the shan and I can keep my head during a disaster.
I know I'm not even halfway done, but I was hoping for some tightness and hardness to start showing. I'm at work currently and I noticed that I look bigger when I saw my reflection in the mirror.
I've heard some people mention this stuff "kicking in", and I'm curious as to what this means, as in, what it feels like? Again, I know I'm still in the early phase, barely halfway, but just curious if it might take longer for me to respond to the Ultra-Sten.
Thanks
bcazo
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As for signs that it's kicking in you are experiencing 3 that being, aggression, acne, muscle fullness... Increased strength and much better recovery time should be right around the corner. You should also be feeling an all day pump which for me is the fun part, feeling like a beast all day long.. As you know and always hear your diet will be a big factor as to what kind of gains you will see.. Ultra-Sten is a versatile compound and your gains will be based on what you feed it..
ricroc
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Yes, the all-day pump! That's what I'm talking about. I do love that beast mode.
I am finding Ultra-Sten to be convenient and versatile. The recovery time has increased. No soreness at all, when compared to last week, it was night and day difference.
I know I need to eat more, but I'm fearing I'm gaining too much fat. My belly feels/looks swollen.
bcazo
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Are you trying to bulk, recomp. or cut? Are you doing any cardio??? Some cardio and reduced calories while ON will lean you out nicely if that is your goal..
ricroc
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Trying for a bulk, lean bulk. I want to put on some size. Haven't done any cardio. Wasn't sure if doing so would be good while on.
I'd like to say it's average, but not sure what average would mean. I don't think I'm taking in too much, but for all I know, I might be. I do drink BCAA's that have electrolytes in them. I have one serving in between meals and two servings intra.
I was just thinking that I wouldn't feel or look as bloated as I do. I'll revisit some items later on tonight.
Always fun to gauge what's causing what and experiment them there!
ricroc
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Not weird at all. In fact, my bm's have been good since I started. I feel like I'm getting everything out of the food I consume.
fueledpassion
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Honestly, at your body composition, I'd say cardio is fine year round to keep/get lean as you go.
If done properly, cardio can ramp up the metabolism without being overly restrictive in total weight gains. Something like high intensity cardio for 15-20 minutes, 3-5 times per week will increase capillary density and help shuttle nutrients to your muscles more efficiently. Over time, cardio trains your body to pull from fat reserves for more of its energy as you build up more mitochondria in the cells.
It's when you are at an already low or acceptable body fat and you want to bulk up is when you take cardio out altogether.
bcazo
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Couldn't have said it better myself.. This was where I was going with my question.. I do cardio 5 times a week, it's a necessity for me to stay or try to get lean..
fueledpassion
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Me too really. I've been progressively getting fatter as I've put on weight. Eventually, I'll get to a point that I have to cut up again and start over with the bulking. However, each time I do that I end up a little bigger and leaner than before.
ricroc
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Day 12 Update:
Didn't post after last night's workout. It was military and that one always takes more out of me because of my bad shoulders. My right one has had two surgeries and has been feeling fine, but about 2 months ago, I slept funny and now I think I have a pinched nerve affecting me. Some massages have helped ease it out, but last night, I could feel it wanting to give. Luckily, I held form and went slow and steady. Thing of it is, I originally hurt my right shoulder back in high school from jerking my presses.
Military Press:
Set #1: 3x80
Set #2: 3x90
Set #3: 3x100
I wanted to go for more on the last set but didn't think I could hold up that well. For assistance, I did a few more sets of presses at a lower weight, followed up with some face pulls and side laterals interspersed.
This morning, I had some irritability, but, I wasn't going to let it control me. This isn't so much as a result of the Ultra-Sten; again, I'm prone to getting annoyed. But, like I said, I WAS IN CONTROL!. I was not going to let it consume me. (Note: this is where I would fail in the past. Just have a crappy attitude and then let it linger. Perhaps the Ultra-Sten's give me that extra oomph to kick the negativity when it comes my way.)
By the time I got to work, I felt more alpha than I had been in quite some time. I just felt ready. Like whatever comes my way, however bad it may seem or I think it will suck, no matter what's taking place: I got this! This mildly spilled over into that cocky-arrogant arena, but like with the controlling of the irritability, I put it back in its place to let the alpha hold court.
I liken alpha to being supreme confidence without any arrogance. In short, not an a-hole!
One good thing: no negative sides. Acne is annoying, but I've dealt with this my whole life so just aggravating more than anything.
Didn't post after last night's workout. It was military and that one always takes more out of me because of my bad shoulders. My right one has had two surgeries and has been feeling fine, but about 2 months ago, I slept funny and now I think I have a pinched nerve affecting me. Some massages have helped ease it out, but last night, I could feel it wanting to give. Luckily, I held form and went slow and steady. Thing of it is, I originally hurt my right shoulder back in high school from jerking my presses.
Military Press:
Set #1: 3x80
Set #2: 3x90
Set #3: 3x100
I wanted to go for more on the last set but didn't think I could hold up that well. For assistance, I did a few more sets of presses at a lower weight, followed up with some face pulls and side laterals interspersed.
This morning, I had some irritability, but, I wasn't going to let it control me. This isn't so much as a result of the Ultra-Sten; again, I'm prone to getting annoyed. But, like I said, I WAS IN CONTROL!. I was not going to let it consume me. (Note: this is where I would fail in the past. Just have a crappy attitude and then let it linger. Perhaps the Ultra-Sten's give me that extra oomph to kick the negativity when it comes my way.)
By the time I got to work, I felt more alpha than I had been in quite some time. I just felt ready. Like whatever comes my way, however bad it may seem or I think it will suck, no matter what's taking place: I got this! This mildly spilled over into that cocky-arrogant arena, but like with the controlling of the irritability, I put it back in its place to let the alpha hold court.
I liken alpha to being supreme confidence without any arrogance. In short, not an a-hole!
One good thing: no negative sides. Acne is annoying, but I've dealt with this my whole life so just aggravating more than anything.
bcazo
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It's fine, I'll have to check it out...
bcazo
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Glad your able to keep a cool head, I ran one PH the beginning of this year that by week 3 it had me punching holes in walls. I'm a calm guy so the aggression was out of control, great for the gym no good for personal life...
ricroc
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Thanks. It's been a life-long process, seemingly, especially when I moved out on my own and had to deal with life and all its intricacies.
Agreed, great to have that aggression in the gym and only in the gym...well, and also the sack if you've got an energetic gal!
ricroc
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Forgot to update Friday's workout. It was deadlifts and had a good, overall day training.
My appetite has wanted as of late. In fact, Friday after working out, I was not all that hungry. I'm going to up the UDCA and see if that helps any.
Yesterday, however, was probably my best day traning so far during this cycle. It was chest and while I wasn't able to get more reps on my final set--I blame this on not resting long enough--I looked hella swole. I was stout! If only I can maintain that look of fullness and buffness.
Bench Press:
Set #1: 5x150
Set #2: 3x170
Set #3: 1x190
Had I rested longer between the 2nd and 3rd sets, I could have done more reps. But, after looking back on it this morning, I was still please to get 190 up freestyle, as opposed to the Soloflex helping me. In that regard, I know I've made progress.
Had to stop the creatine. That was aiding my acne flareup. In the past, when I'd use creatine, I'd get bad acne. No sense in making it worse with the ultra-sten.
No gains to speak of, but, that's only cause I haven't been able to eat much. I get a great pump during my workouts. Any muscle fullness I had is starting to wane.
My appetite has wanted as of late. In fact, Friday after working out, I was not all that hungry. I'm going to up the UDCA and see if that helps any.
Yesterday, however, was probably my best day traning so far during this cycle. It was chest and while I wasn't able to get more reps on my final set--I blame this on not resting long enough--I looked hella swole. I was stout! If only I can maintain that look of fullness and buffness.
Bench Press:
Set #1: 5x150
Set #2: 3x170
Set #3: 1x190
Had I rested longer between the 2nd and 3rd sets, I could have done more reps. But, after looking back on it this morning, I was still please to get 190 up freestyle, as opposed to the Soloflex helping me. In that regard, I know I've made progress.
Had to stop the creatine. That was aiding my acne flareup. In the past, when I'd use creatine, I'd get bad acne. No sense in making it worse with the ultra-sten.
No gains to speak of, but, that's only cause I haven't been able to eat much. I get a great pump during my workouts. Any muscle fullness I had is starting to wane.
fueledpassion
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I dont mean to be a butt when I say this but how exactly does creatine have anything to do with acne flare ups? U r using a DHT derivative. I cant imagine anything else being the culprit...
ricroc
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In the past, when I've use creatine, I'd get acne flareups. The first week I started using Ultra-Sten, it wasn't that bad, but given what's in it, to be expected, especially since I'm prone, what with oily skin production.
I started using creating last week and that's when the flareups began. This might not be directly related, but given my reaction to creatine, in addition to not having had such a flareup with the ultra initially, leads me down this road.
I haven't used creatine in about four days now and flareups have subsided and the ones that stayed are now beginning to dry up and fade away.
I started using creating last week and that's when the flareups began. This might not be directly related, but given my reaction to creatine, in addition to not having had such a flareup with the ultra initially, leads me down this road.
I haven't used creatine in about four days now and flareups have subsided and the ones that stayed are now beginning to dry up and fade away.
drewsicle3210
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In for the lean gainz
ricroc
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I see. Yeah, it was ON's micronized version. Heck, even the first time I was used creatine, I had an outbreak unlike I had ever had in my life. I forget that creatine does that to me until I think, "Hey, it's been a while since I've used creatine" and decide to use it again.
ricroc
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Thanks, drew. They are slowly making their way.
bcazo
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I'm glad you were able to pinpoint where it was coming from...
bcazo
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I knew where you were going with this Green Magnitude gives me the runs bad...
ricroc
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Another good workout last night, although, nowhere near as stout as Monday's.
Tuesday was squats and these are finally getting better. I've had a banged up knee for the past 16, 17 years and just now, it's finally getting back into place. Working out legs (duh) has helped, in addition to well timed massages. That's really helped get the knee back in order and Tuesday, I was proud of how I was able to squat.
While I might not be arse to the grass status, I do as close to parallel as I can (I think..haha) and yesterday, it all came together. Given that I'm straight barbell and not SOloflex, I was pleased with my strenght and progress as I had zero problmes or issues getting all my sets and reps in. Yesterday was an "I ain't doing jacks--t" day but I made the most of my squatting. Thighs are getting thicker since having started Ultra-Sten.
Routine:
Set #1: 5x180
Set #2: 3x205
Set #3: 3x225
I wanted to go for more on that final set, but, on the second set, I tweaked to top of my quad, nothing major, as I was able to relax it with some immediate stretching and resting before the final set. After that third rep I was thinking I could squeeze one more out, but I could feel that my CNS wasn't going to like it much if I had dropped for that fourth rep.
At that point, I felt like I knew how to train, which is to say, how to listen to my body and give it all I have, but staying mindful so as to avoid injury and taxing myself unnecessarily, which would only prevent me from training harder and heavier later on down the line. (Note: any wonder Wendler says to start out light.) It was like the light went on, so to speak, and though it was only three work sets, I gained so much more as a result. I like these moment of lifting clarity. Had one earlier this year, a couple I should say, and now another. All about progression.
Overall: I'm pleased with the Ultra-Sten to date. In looking at the calendar, I've got about 14 days (including today) left on cycle. The cycle's gonna run a day longer because on two days, I forgot to take my final pill, so I'll finish those up on one day all to themselves. I know the pounds haven't been building up, but that's because the hunger has not been there as consistently as I would have liked. At the very least, I would have liked my midsection to slim down, especially the booze-filled lovehandles of yesteryear. But, it's all on me.
Fourteen more days of what I would imagine will be greater returns on investment. My body's acclimated quite nicely, albiet with some hiccups in the form of acne and irritability, but that's to be expected and while both do wave around from time to time, my body's steadying the course.
Today's my off day, but I'm feeling like doing some heavy curls and some Krok rows just to get in some work.
Tuesday was squats and these are finally getting better. I've had a banged up knee for the past 16, 17 years and just now, it's finally getting back into place. Working out legs (duh) has helped, in addition to well timed massages. That's really helped get the knee back in order and Tuesday, I was proud of how I was able to squat.
While I might not be arse to the grass status, I do as close to parallel as I can (I think..haha) and yesterday, it all came together. Given that I'm straight barbell and not SOloflex, I was pleased with my strenght and progress as I had zero problmes or issues getting all my sets and reps in. Yesterday was an "I ain't doing jacks--t" day but I made the most of my squatting. Thighs are getting thicker since having started Ultra-Sten.
Routine:
Set #1: 5x180
Set #2: 3x205
Set #3: 3x225
I wanted to go for more on that final set, but, on the second set, I tweaked to top of my quad, nothing major, as I was able to relax it with some immediate stretching and resting before the final set. After that third rep I was thinking I could squeeze one more out, but I could feel that my CNS wasn't going to like it much if I had dropped for that fourth rep.
At that point, I felt like I knew how to train, which is to say, how to listen to my body and give it all I have, but staying mindful so as to avoid injury and taxing myself unnecessarily, which would only prevent me from training harder and heavier later on down the line. (Note: any wonder Wendler says to start out light.) It was like the light went on, so to speak, and though it was only three work sets, I gained so much more as a result. I like these moment of lifting clarity. Had one earlier this year, a couple I should say, and now another. All about progression.
Overall: I'm pleased with the Ultra-Sten to date. In looking at the calendar, I've got about 14 days (including today) left on cycle. The cycle's gonna run a day longer because on two days, I forgot to take my final pill, so I'll finish those up on one day all to themselves. I know the pounds haven't been building up, but that's because the hunger has not been there as consistently as I would have liked. At the very least, I would have liked my midsection to slim down, especially the booze-filled lovehandles of yesteryear. But, it's all on me.
Fourteen more days of what I would imagine will be greater returns on investment. My body's acclimated quite nicely, albiet with some hiccups in the form of acne and irritability, but that's to be expected and while both do wave around from time to time, my body's steadying the course.
Today's my off day, but I'm feeling like doing some heavy curls and some Krok rows just to get in some work.
drewsicle3210
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Have you thought about grabbing another bottle to go 6 weeks? Maybe up it to 30mg those extra 2 weeks?
fueledpassion
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Somethin else is to consider alot more volume. Go lighter and hit 10-15 reps and you'll get some explosive growth in those legs buddy.
ricroc
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No, I'm good with the 30 day run. It's the midpoint, so to speak, so I'm aiming for some solid returns now that I'm this far into it all.
ricroc
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Good suggestion. Usually, I'll do the "boring but big" protocol for legs. I'll lower the weight and go to 10 reps. Next week is deload week, so I'll keep that rep range in mind. I do love when the legs get bloody swole.
Something along these lines:
[video=youtube;kM-91sthsaE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM-91sthsaE[/video]
fueledpassion
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I like a full scale of weights and reps personally. For instance, on squats I may do a range from 3 - 15 reps but then on leg press I do 20-30 reps per set. Then back to 8-12 for hamstring work and leg extensions, with intensity exercises like drop sets and supersets placed throughout.
lukehayd
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I like the Green Mag myself but I know there are some that have issues. Wasn't sure if maybe it wasn't another additive in the creatine that might be the culprit. ?? I've heard of people having trouble with plain mono creatine but causing the acne flair up is new to me. Funny how the chemical makeup of individuals causes different reactions to the same substance!
bcazo
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^^^ this crush more volume in all your lifts and you'll feel so swole it will hurt..
ricroc
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Treating me just fine. Some days, though, the appetite isn't really there. I believe this week it is starting to pick up. I upped the voltage on the UDCA, too.
Given what I've read and how I've fared to this point, I know the bottom half of this run will pull it altogether.
Everyone's suggestions have been helpful. Next week is deload, so it'll be a good time to get in some volume. Beef things up heading into PTC.
Given what I've read and how I've fared to this point, I know the bottom half of this run will pull it altogether.
Everyone's suggestions have been helpful. Next week is deload, so it'll be a good time to get in some volume. Beef things up heading into PTC.
ricroc
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Treating me just fine. Some days, though, the appetite isn't really there. I believe this week it is starting to pick up. I upped the voltage on the UDCA, too.
Given what I've read and how I've fared to this point, I know the bottom half of this run will pull it altogether.
Everyone's suggestions have been helpful. Next week is deload, so it'll be a good time to get in some volume. Beef things up heading into PTC.
Given what I've read and how I've fared to this point, I know the bottom half of this run will pull it altogether.
Everyone's suggestions have been helpful. Next week is deload, so it'll be a good time to get in some volume. Beef things up heading into PTC.
ricroc
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I hear ya. I've read on other boards that some folk get bad acne with creatine too. I remember the first time I used it, loved it, but after a while, I had bad acne, the beginnings of cystic acne that I had not had before. Again, I am prone to having acne, and at times, certain foods can exacerbate that. Like last year, I thought I was allergic to milk, but, it was the creatine.
ricroc
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Things are moving along quite nicely. The best part, aside from creatine-induced acne--which is going away--is that I have not had any negative sides. Given the strength of this compound, I'm pleased that nothing debilitating has taken place. Granted, I haven't had that "on" feeling that is oft used to describe ones interaction with this compound. I'm not sure if this is due to my diet or training routine, but aside from some enthusiasm last Friday, nothing's really happened.
Military Press - Routine:
Set #1: 5x85
Set #2: 3x95
Set #3: 1x110
Well, I lied. I couldn't lockout on that final set, so technically, it doesn't' count. Right shoulder still feeling some effects of a pinched nerve. Was able to get through just fine. Control was smooth and form was sound.
I finished up with more lighter sets at higher reps, then added in some face pulls and shrugs.
About 10 more days and I'm done.
Also, libido has not been affected much, if at all. Can still get 'er up when needed or just the fact that I can still get it up just fine. Heck, that's when some aggression will greet me. Now, I just need a girlfriend!
Military Press - Routine:
Set #1: 5x85
Set #2: 3x95
Set #3: 1x110
Well, I lied. I couldn't lockout on that final set, so technically, it doesn't' count. Right shoulder still feeling some effects of a pinched nerve. Was able to get through just fine. Control was smooth and form was sound.
I finished up with more lighter sets at higher reps, then added in some face pulls and shrugs.
About 10 more days and I'm done.
Also, libido has not been affected much, if at all. Can still get 'er up when needed or just the fact that I can still get it up just fine. Heck, that's when some aggression will greet me. Now, I just need a girlfriend!
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bcazo
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Glad the acne's clearing up!! Any increase in strength or weight gain??
ricroc
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Increase in strength, but not sure how much is me and how much is as a result of the ultra-sten. No weight gain. I'm about the same as I was in Day 7.
I don't believe my body responds well, if all, to these types of compounds. When I first ran halodrol, I didn't experience much from it at all. I was on a calorie deficit and didn't lean out as much as I had hoped.
At any rate, it's been a good run so far and one I had been wanting to dive into since reading about it.
I don't believe my body responds well, if all, to these types of compounds. When I first ran halodrol, I didn't experience much from it at all. I was on a calorie deficit and didn't lean out as much as I had hoped.
At any rate, it's been a good run so far and one I had been wanting to dive into since reading about it.
tyga tyga
Legend
We know the anabolic aspect is there, ex; the strength. Which is good...
ricroc
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Well, this log has not taken off as I would have liked. My body just does not seem to be responding to the ultra-sten. I had hoped that I would have "felt" something after the first week and I thought I had a small flavor of that two weeks ago only to have it fade on me.
I'm in 20+ days now and nothing. The only thing that has increased has been my belly. In fact, I had to cut back on carbs because I thought the carbs I was eating was what was bloating me so much. I only get pumps during workouts, but they don't seem to last. In fact, the pumps have not lasted since the first week I started with ultra-sten.
I've been disillusioned with this run, which hasn't helped since it makes me less willing to want to workout which is the exact opposite of what I want. Granted, I wasn't expecting to just get massive immediately, but given what I've read from others taking similar compounds, I was hoping to "feel" something or know that what I was taking was greater than other supps out there. Or at least get that "hard" look.
Alas, I'm gonna finish this run, but as far as this log, I think I've exhausted what I can. I'll be done next week and I do not foresee anything major taking place. I'll only update should I feel necessary, but aside from that, thanks to IronFlex, bcazo, and tyga tyga for having a chance to run ultra-sten. It wasn't what I was hoping for but it was a good run nonetheless.
I'm in 20+ days now and nothing. The only thing that has increased has been my belly. In fact, I had to cut back on carbs because I thought the carbs I was eating was what was bloating me so much. I only get pumps during workouts, but they don't seem to last. In fact, the pumps have not lasted since the first week I started with ultra-sten.
I've been disillusioned with this run, which hasn't helped since it makes me less willing to want to workout which is the exact opposite of what I want. Granted, I wasn't expecting to just get massive immediately, but given what I've read from others taking similar compounds, I was hoping to "feel" something or know that what I was taking was greater than other supps out there. Or at least get that "hard" look.
Alas, I'm gonna finish this run, but as far as this log, I think I've exhausted what I can. I'll be done next week and I do not foresee anything major taking place. I'll only update should I feel necessary, but aside from that, thanks to IronFlex, bcazo, and tyga tyga for having a chance to run ultra-sten. It wasn't what I was hoping for but it was a good run nonetheless.
bcazo
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Man !! I'm bummed to here this everyone's body does respond differently to products.. That being said, they are not miracle pills to say the least, you'll only get out of them what you put in. It's hard to tell what you put it since not much detail was given on your workouts and diet to see what could have been done get more results.. Thanks for the log and I wish you the best achieving your goals..
ricroc
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I thought I had a decent diet plan in place, somewhat of a surplus, and I thought continuing with Wendler's 5/3/1 would suffice for training. But, after a while, appetite took a huge hit, so that didn't help.
I just got the impression those that have gotten something out of methylstenbolone "felt" it working inside of them, adding to their eagerness in training.
I just got the impression those that have gotten something out of methylstenbolone "felt" it working inside of them, adding to their eagerness in training.
fueledpassion
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Everyone is different. I got more from Hdrol than I did from SD or Phera man. You cant ever tell with some of these compounds but I gotta say that I'm at a point where 6 weeks minimum is a must for me. No more 4 weekers since I just dont blow up on stuff anymore.
With that said, 5/3/1 is ideal to supplement with other training styles. It isnt enough work on its own to create an anabolic environment for growth for myself.