Do People Stay On HCG And Still Have The Option To Discontinue It?

thescience

thescience

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I recently saw a clinic promoting HCG. they were talking about how TRT becomes required after longterm use, whereas HCG doesnt. but Is that true of HCG? If someone ran HCG for say five years to achieve upper normal physiological range test production and decided they wanted to stop taking it, would there be some king of endogenous production that had shut down? would the body have stopped making luteinizing hormone or it's own HCG by then?
 
Maybe. This REALLY depends on the dose being used. Say someone takes 2500iu three times a week. In this case I think there is a very good chance endogenous LH is going to be low to zero. There is also the issue of leydig cell desensitization when using high doses of HCG. Now if we are talking 250iu 2-3 times a week you should be able to avoid these potential pitfalls.

Let's say you have low T now. You decide to use a low dose of HCG for 15 years. Do you think your endogenous testosterone production would have increased over that same 15 years had you not taken it? No. So no matter what if you run the HCG for any length of time you will likely have lower T once it's removed as you got older.

If you have low T there is no advantage to pinning a T stimulating drug, one that simply replace endo LH, when you could just pin and replace the actual hormone itself.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Maybe. This REALLY depends on the dose being used. Say someone takes 2500iu three times a week. In this case I think there is a very good chance endogenous LH is going to be low to zero. There is also the issue of leydig cell desensitization when using high doses of HCG. Now if we are talking 250iu 2-3 times a week you should be able to avoid these potential pitfalls.

Let's say you have low T now. You decide to use a low dose of HCG for 15 years. Do you think your endogenous testosterone production would have increased over that same 15 years had you not taken it? No. So no matter what if you run the HCG for any length of time you will likely have lower T once it's removed as you got older.

If you have low T there is no advantage to pinning a T stimulating drug, one that simply replace endo LH, when you could just pin and replace the actual hormone itself.
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good info. it sounds like youre saying there is no advantage in the sense that people with low-t will suffer low-t regardless of their mechanisms getting screwed up from taking test. I have interest in the clinic's claims about hcg because theyre saying that taking test messes up the hpa axis, whereas hcg normalizes it. I also believe, the way things are going, that there may one day be something over the counter that adequately addresses, say, the worst cases of low-t and i wouldnt want to close a door to something like that by putting my system out of whack.

I suppose the context i have here is a goal to boost testosterone to the higher end of the scale, say around 900. i know little on this topic, but wouldnt taking test for an extended period of time to get to that number put me into a situation where there is zero production afterward? that's what really scares me; being on that roller coaster just because i wanted to enhance things. it it was possible to use hcg for an extended period of time without that consequence, id be pretty intrigued
 
BCseacow83 said:
Are you actually hypogonadal? What are your current labs?
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im going through a weird thing where i last tested at 550 when i was on anabolic xt. by the time i got off of it, my libido was observedly lessoned to the point where i really felt i was necessary for me to start working with test boosters regularly. i work 96 hours a week and ive pretty much resolved to continue doing so for the next few years to accomplish some goals, so im definitely sleep deprived. i sort of feel like everything could normalize if i got enough sleep. my workouts are hell. im ok as long as im on a test booster and dont have interest in getting off them to get an accurate reading unless there is a medical solution im comfortable with. im definitely disinclined to take test
 
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BCseacow83 said:
If you have low T there is no advantage to pinning a T stimulating drug, one that simply replace endo LH, when you could just pin and replace the actual hormone itself.
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Agree to an extent. Hcg is definitely beneficial in conjunction with T. Without it, certain neurosteroids can get depleted, and some people report impaired cognitive function (which improves markedly after introduction of hcg). Not to mention mood and sexual benefits.

Imho T alone is not enough, if one doesnt tolerate hcg, some kind of pregnenolone and/or dhea supplementarion is going to become a necessity eventually.
 
so it kind of looks like prlonged use of test can cause test, neurosteroids, and LH to drop if you stop cold turkey and, if im reading into this correctly, hcg can cause LH suppression or desensitization. is it possible to, say, bring test from 500 to 800 or 900 using hcg and stop cold turkey without seeing a shutdown in lutenizing hormone?
 
CroLifter said:
Agree to an extent. Hcg is definitely beneficial in conjunction with T. Without it, certain neurosteroids can get depleted, and some people report impaired cognitive function (which improves markedly after introduction of hcg). Not to mention mood and sexual benefits.

Imho T alone is not enough, if one doesnt tolerate hcg, some kind of pregnenolone and/or dhea supplementarion is going to become a necessity eventually.
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He's not trying to decide between TRT w/HCG or without HCG.
 
thescience said:
so it kind of looks like prlonged use of test can cause test, neurosteroids, and LH to drop if you stop cold turkey and, if im reading into this correctly, hcg can cause LH suppression or desensitization. is it possible to, say, bring test from 500 to 800 or 900 using hcg and stop cold turkey without seeing a shutdown in lutenizing hormone?
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That is a boost that a quality test booster could also provide you. I would find two or three I like and simply rotate them. HCG is not cheap if you are getting a script and would require at least two shots a week. Personally I'd just opt for the test booster at that point. Your choice.
 
BCseacow83 said:
That is a boost that a quality test booster could also provide you. I would find two or three I like and simply rotate them. HCG is not cheap if you are getting a script and would require at least two shots a week. Personally I'd just opt for the test booster at that point. Your choice.
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yeah i think the test boosters im on are getting me up a couple of hundred points. i dont think theyre getting me to 900. the results im getting might be considered lackluster compared to other users experiences. i was thinking of going with powder and using dmso to take it transdermally, but if it is something that inevitablly messes up LH with prolonged use i wouldnt be interested
 
thescience said:
yeah i think the test boosters im on are getting me up a couple of hundred points. i dont think theyre getting me to 900. the results im getting might be considered lackluster compared to other users experiences. i was thinking of going with powder and using dmso to take it transdermally, but if it is something that inevitablly messes up LH with prolonged use i wouldnt be interested
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You can't take it topically. Listen here at 45:00, for what you are trying to achieve, and I understand the goal, HCG is NOT an ideal choice. Enclomiphene or even regular old clomid would be a better choice.

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BCseacow83 said:
You can't take it topically. Listen here at 45:00, for what you are trying to achieve, and I understand the goal, HCG is NOT an ideal choice. Enclomiphene or even regular old clomid would be a better choice.

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interesting video. some highlights relative to this discussion: he's saying you see hpa disregulation resulting in decreased prenenolone and dhea from supraphyiscal amounts of non-bioidentical testosterone, and not from trt. he says hcg wont, for example, bring dhea back to normal levels. it was only hypothesized to do that. he says trt doesnt disrupt hpa signalling,
 
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