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Do AIs have a place in PCT?

Enjineer

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I've heard of mild AIs often implemented into products supposedly supposed to be mild PCTs, like T-911 or Novedex XT, but isn't the purpose of the PCT to return the body to homeostasis as quickly and safe as possible? And limiting estrogen while reducing testosterone might kind of be counter products to this? Just want to know if more powerful AIs could be detrimental in PCT or if they can be implemented to benefit one and secure gains for informational reasons, I do not intend to use any cycle or a PCT, simply curious...
 
Enjineer said:
I've heard of mild AIs often implemented into products supposedly supposed to be mild PCTs, like T-911 or Novedex XT, but isn't the purpose of the PCT to return the body to homeostasis as quickly and safe as possible? And limiting estrogen while reducing testosterone might kind of be counter products to this? Just want to know if more powerful AIs could be detrimental in PCT or if they can be implemented to benefit one and secure gains for informational reasons, I do not intend to use any cycle or a PCT, simply curious...
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They limit estro and INCREASE test. I don't have the links on hand but if you search AI's Inhibit-E Novadex XT there are a lot of good threads on here that cover AI's and compare to SERMS.
 
Enjineer said:
I've heard of mild AIs often implemented into products supposedly supposed to be mild PCTs, like T-911 or Novedex XT, but isn't the purpose of the PCT to return the body to homeostasis as quickly and safe as possible? And limiting estrogen while reducing testosterone might kind of be counter products to this? Just want to know if more powerful AIs could be detrimental in PCT or if they can be implemented to benefit one and secure gains for informational reasons, I do not intend to use any cycle or a PCT, simply curious...
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This depends on the cycle you do...I usually do a 5wk phera/sd and its bridge on the 3rd wk...I use an ai in 4th wk of my pct...I like using formex and my pct looks something like this...

nolva 40/20/20/10
ai 0/0/0/50/25/25
 
There is NO reason to use an AI during or after a non-aromatizing cycle; unless you want to use it AFTER PCT--and after endogenous test levels have been restimulated--in order to increase test levels through inhibition of aromatization.

In other words, the only purpose for an AI (in non-aromatizing cycles) is as a bridge after PCT.


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Ok, so AIs can be useful in the PCT of an aromatizing cycle, but should not replace a serm or be used throughout the entire PCT, correct?
 
"Ok, so AIs can be useful in the PCT of an aromatizing cycle, but should not replace a serm or be used throughout the entire PCT, correct?"

NO...There is NO reason to use an AI during PCT; for one thing, if you use an AI DURING YOUR AROMATIZING CYCLE--the correct use for them-- you're estrogen levels will be low/controlled afterwards, for another you're using a SERM during PCT which is an estrogen receptor antagonist.

The AI can, however, be used AFTER PCT as a bridge if you feel it gives you an edge--helps lean you out, increases test levels through inhibition of aromatization, etc.


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statik said:
They limit estro and INCREASE test. I don't have the links on hand but if you search AI's Inhibit-E Novadex XT there are a lot of good threads on here that cover AI's and compare to SERMS.
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yes but SOME CYCLES already will have your estrogen disappearing like David Copperfield so why add in an AI to that type of cycle (we are talking those that do) to further destroy what has already been diminished?

It's going to depend on what is ran during cycle (type of drug/steroid)
 
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There is NO reason to use an AI during or after a non-aromatizing cycle; unless you want to use it AFTER PCT--and after endogenous test levels have been restimulated--in order to increase test levels through inhibition of aromatization.

In other words, the only purpose for an AI (in non-aromatizing cycles) is as a bridge after PCT.


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This is why I hate these unknown clone hybrid steroids. Especially when it's a mix of questionable drugs.
 
Enjineer said:
Ok, thanks for clearing that up :) thanks for the info
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Do you know someone that is going to run something and if so, what is it?

These general statements can satisfy your quest for knowledge; however, if you know someone running something specific then there needs to be more specific info given.
 
A good example was when I recently ran Epi (which I love) + EST's Propadrol; well, unbeknownst to me--and according to another member here, I haven't tried to confirm this--Propadrol is a strong AI! So I was running a drug with known anti-estrogen effects along with another drug that was an AI; by 5 weeks in I felt so bad I had to stop the cycle a week short. I mean I FELT LIKE ****!!!

The problem is, as Seth Roberts commented, the nomenclature on these drugs are so screwed up nobody can really tell what the hell they are! It's part of that cat-and-mouse game the supplement companies--or at least the more shady ones--are playing with the FDA/DEA.


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When I used to run "real" steroid cycles we always included Test in them to avoid many of the problems associated with excessively low estrogen. So, I've decided as long as I'm going to continue running these designer steroids I'm going to include some aromatizing compound(s) in my cycle--or at least compounds that seem to stimulate the estrogen receptor.

So, Dermacrine from Primordial Performance with its DHEA and Pregnanolone comes to mind. Also, Super-Drol and perhaps Phera-Plex while they can't aromatize seem to stimulate the estrogen receptor.


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