DMZ vs Sarms

[bchap05]

Hey all,

Haven't done any trials for a few years but have done DMZ and Msten in the past. The was before the PH ban and at that point I stopped following a lot of the anabolic side very closely. I've read some here and there so I know that DMZ and Msten are still available but don't know a ton about Sarms. Didn't seem to be talked about much back then.

Was talking with bro in law this weekend and was mentioning I need something re motivate myself and he kept talking about S4. Told me about the potential eye and night vision issue but said rest was pretty mild. I didn't really notice any sides on DMZ in the past. I guess comparing the two what would be the biggest difference and which is worse for you? I don't like running super harsh things and take precautions I believe I ran Arm1care Pro if I remember right with DMZ and Msten in past and then followed with clomid.

Or any other recommendations? I'm 35, been working out consistently for 7-8 years, noticed a libido drop as I'm getting older, and had labs done a year ago or so which were fine but nothing amazing. Think test was around 350-400 if I remember right. Mainly looking for alpha feeling, motivation, etc...Not like I'm competing or trying to be the worlds strongest man or anything haha. Plus football season is about over which means I can stop drinking so much haha.

 

[Old Witch]

I was getting better results off the sarms I finally tried stacked than any of the designer steroids I ran this year. I also took way more than people are comfortable with reading somebody taking, was 24mg lgd4033, 66mg Ostarine, and 20mg gw501516.

Do highly recommend, and the osta doesn’t have to be that high, 44mg would do for largely same effects.

 

[Mathb33]

As mentioned above sarms at higher doses did good for me too, it’s gonna cost more though. I think in your situation a longer cycle of sarms(10-12 weeks) are gonna give cleaner and more keepable gains than a 4-5 weeks of DMZ/msten/superdrol etc (IMO)

 

[bchap05]

As mentioned above sarms at higher doses did good for me too, it’s gonna cost more though. I think in your situation a longer cycle of sarms(10-12 weeks) are gonna give cleaner and more keepable gains than a 4-5 weeks of DMZ/msten/superdrol etc (IMO)

Cool thanks thats kind of what I talked about with him. Doing a longer cycle with a Sarm. Might give that a go

 

[Mathb33]

Sure thing brotha

 

[RickyBlobby]

One thing to consider is that a 12 week multi sarm cycle is probably going to be harder to recover from than an 8 week "prohormone" cycle. You are suppressed 50% longer.

Plus the sarm cycle will be quite a bit more expensive.

I'm a big fan of a halodrol cycle at 75-100mg a day for 8 weeks for a beginners cycle. That's what I would choose if doing a cycle without test.

If doing a test cycle I think a 6 week kicker of DMZ/msten or superdrol would be the preferred choice.

Just my .02

 

[Chados]

One thing to consider is that a 12 week multi sarm cycle is probably going to be harder to recover from than an 8 week "prohormone" cycle. You are suppressed 50% longer.

Plus the sarm cycle will be quite a bit more expensive.

I'm a big fan of a halodrol cycle at 75-100mg a day for 8 weeks for a beginners cycle. That's what I would choose if doing a cycle without test.

If doing a test cycle I think a 6 week kicker of DMZ/msten or superdrol would be the preferred choice.

Just my .02

Why would a Sarm cycle suppress you more than a steroid? Even if its longer its much weaker in just about everything

 

[Chados]

Hey all,

Haven't done any trials for a few years but have done DMZ and Msten in the past. The was before the PH ban and at that point I stopped following a lot of the anabolic side very closely. I've read some here and there so I know that DMZ and Msten are still available but don't know a ton about Sarms. Didn't seem to be talked about much back then.

Was talking with bro in law this weekend and was mentioning I need something re motivate myself and he kept talking about S4. Told me about the potential eye and night vision issue but said rest was pretty mild. I didn't really notice any sides on DMZ in the past. I guess comparing the two what would be the biggest difference and which is worse for you? I don't like running super harsh things and take precautions I believe I ran Arm1care Pro if I remember right with DMZ and Msten in past and then followed with clomid.

Or any other recommendations? I'm 35, been working out consistently for 7-8 years, noticed a libido drop as I'm getting older, and had labs done a year ago or so which were fine but nothing amazing. Think test was around 350-400 if I remember right. Mainly looking for alpha feeling, motivation, etc...Not like I'm competing or trying to be the worlds strongest man or anything haha. Plus football season is about over which means I can stop drinking so much haha.

Steroids will put on a lot more mass and I'm talking more than twice as much when you're taking something like msten or Dmz. S4 is very good at retaining muscle during a cut but it won't add much muscle at all. It's not even close.

 

[Chados]

Hey all,

Haven't done any trials for a few years but have done DMZ and Msten in the past. The was before the PH ban and at that point I stopped following a lot of the anabolic side very closely. I've read some here and there so I know that DMZ and Msten are still available but don't know a ton about Sarms. Didn't seem to be talked about much back then.

Was talking with bro in law this weekend and was mentioning I need something re motivate myself and he kept talking about S4. Told me about the potential eye and night vision issue but said rest was pretty mild. I didn't really notice any sides on DMZ in the past. I guess comparing the two what would be the biggest difference and which is worse for you? I don't like running super harsh things and take precautions I believe I ran Arm1care Pro if I remember right with DMZ and Msten in past and then followed with clomid.

Or any other recommendations? I'm 35, been working out consistently for 7-8 years, noticed a libido drop as I'm getting older, and had labs done a year ago or so which were fine but nothing amazing. Think test was around 350-400 if I remember right. Mainly looking for alpha feeling, motivation, etc...Not like I'm competing or trying to be the worlds strongest man or anything haha. Plus football season is about over which means I can stop drinking so much haha.

Steroids will put on a lot more mass and I'm talking more than twice as much when you're taking something like msten or Dmz. S4 is very good at retaining muscle during a cut but it won't add much muscle at all. It's not even close.

Steroids are gonna have way more sides for sure. Gonna hit cholesterol, bp etc much worse but then again we know little about the long time sides with sarms

 

[bchap05]

Just hit week 8. Was trying to decide if I want to go grab another bottle to bump to 12 weeks or cut it off at 8. According to the bottle it should be ran 8 but obviously they are going to error way on the safer side so I imagine 12 is fine. I've gone from 185ish to 198-200ish so far. Granted I felt like I looked great weeks 2-6 or so and looked worse the last few. Probably because I'm constantly starving and have been eating so much.

No sides minus a few times where i briefly felt crashed and and sick. Felt amazing first 6 weeks. And sometimes I've noticed its a bit harder to see my screen on my phone at night.

 

[Drolball]

Just hit week 8. Was trying to decide if I want to go grab another bottle to bump to 12 weeks or cut it off at 8. According to the bottle it should be ran 8 but obviously they are going to error way on the safer side so I imagine 12 is fine. I've gone from 185ish to 198-200ish so far. Granted I felt like I looked great weeks 2-6 or so and looked worse the last few. Probably because I'm constantly starving and have been eating so much.

No sides minus a few times where i briefly felt crashed and and sick. Felt amazing first 6 weeks. And sometimes I've noticed its a bit harder to see my screen on my phone at night.

What did you choose to run?

 

[bchap05]

It was a combo SARM I got at a local shop with S4, Mk 677, and Lgd 4033 combined with milk thistle and other liver supps

 

[cgun]

Kind of odd to throw in liver supplements with a bunch of stuff that isn't supposed to be liver toxic.. Glad you got good results

 

[JoePaul39]

It was a combo SARM I got at a local shop with S4, Mk 677, and Lgd 4033 combined with milk thistle and other liver supps

What dosages of each are you taking?

 

[Old Witch]

Kind of odd to throw in liver supplements with a bunch of stuff that isn't supposed to be liver toxic.. Glad you got good results

Lol who told you Sarms aren’t liver toxic?

 

[cgun]

My enzymes were good on LGD+RAD+MK677 with no liver support. I've never heard of anyone having a problem other than slightly elevated enzymes on osta which I took to be more of a Chinese raws problem than a problem with the substance. Guessing you've seen different info or results?

Probably I should have been running liver support period taking a bunch of unregulated chemicals anyway though.

 

[JoePaul39]

Lol who told you Sarms aren’t liver toxic?

Of the popular Sarms only S23 and also for some Ostarine are liver toxic.

 

[JoePaul39]

My enzymes were good on LGD+RAD+MK677 with no liver support. I've never heard of anyone having a problem other than slightly elevated enzymes on osta which I took to be more of a Chinese raws problem than a problem with the substance. Guessing you've seen different info or results?

Probably I should have been running liver support period taking a bunch of unregulated chemicals anyway though.

You don’t need liver support for a Rad 140, LGD, MK 677 cycle. It would have been a waste of your money.

 

[Mathb33]

My enzymes were good on LGD+RAD+MK677 with no liver support. I've never heard of anyone having a problem other than slightly elevated enzymes on osta which I took to be more of a Chinese raws problem than a problem with the substance. Guessing you've seen different info or results?

Probably I should have been running liver support period taking a bunch of unregulated chemicals anyway though.

Some strong cycles of sarms i did trashed my lipids and liver values more than some strong methyls PH and AAS