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Dmz vs Epi/Tren

The Yolkster

The Yolkster

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Which do you think would produce more results, 6 weeks epistane and trenavar or 5 weeks of dmz? Both would be ran around "sweet point" dosage.
 
The Yolkster said:
Which do you think would produce more results, 6 weeks epistane and trenavar or 5 weeks of dmz? Both would be ran around "sweet point" dosage.
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Gonna have to say user dependent. Some people will come in with the opposite of what I'm about to say.

For me DMZ was superior to my Epi/Tren run. Experience could come into play here as well. My Epi/Tren was my second cycle, and first time with DMZ was my fourth cycle. But I love DMZ, so I'm biased. First time I ran it 40/40/60/60/75/75/75

75 was too much. Great for gains and strength, but hell on the body. Almost felt like the 60 OL DMZ was as good as the 75 LGI
 
Dma378 said:
Gonna have to say user dependent. Some people will come in with the opposite of what I'm about to say.

For me DMZ was superior to my Epi/Tren run. Experience could come into play here as well. My Epi/Tren was my second cycle, and first time with DMZ was my fourth cycle. But I love DMZ, so I'm biased. First time I ran it 40/40/60/60/75/75/75

75 was too much. Great for gains and strength, but hell on the body. Almost felt like the 60 OL DMZ was as good as the 75 LGI
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Might just go with the dmz, epi was my last cycle so I may as well try something else.
 
Dma378 said:
Gonna have to say user dependent. Some people will come in with the opposite of what I'm about to say.

For me DMZ was superior to my Epi/Tren run. Experience could come into play here as well. My Epi/Tren was my second cycle, and first time with DMZ was my fourth cycle. But I love DMZ, so I'm biased. First time I ran it 40/40/60/60/75/75/75

75 was too much. Great for gains and strength, but hell on the body. Almost felt like the 60 OL DMZ was as good as the 75 LGI
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Might just go with the dmz, epi was my last cycle so I may as well try something else
 
You could blow up on either tbh, it's all diet dependant. Wanna try something new? Dmz. Wanna stick with what you know? Epistane. Either way you go don't expect to put on as much mass as your last epistane cycle, your first cycle is almost always your best.
 
I agree with the DMZ. I don't like to run the same compound back to back personally. DMZ would be a great bulk with a test base. Run it 5-6 weeks starting at the recommended dose and taper up till you find the sweet spot for you.
 
Jebrook said:
I agree with the DMZ. I don't like to run the same compound back to back personally. DMZ would be a great bulk with a test base. Run it 5-6 weeks starting at the recommended dose and taper up till you find the sweet spot for you.
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Besides test obviously, what would be the best test base for dmz? 4 ad? Also with a test base is dmz 2.0 with msten in it good for bulking or dmz better off solo for sides etc.?
 
georgetown said:
Besides test obviously, what would be the best test base for dmz? 4 ad? Also with a test base is dmz 2.0 with msten in it good for bulking or dmz better off solo for sides etc.?
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Test>Trest>4andro>Epiandro>Dermacrine. Trest at 50mg would add a lot of bulking and strength potential and feeling great. ^^^Above is the list of most common test bases in order of effectiveness IMO. SDMZ 2 would be an even better bulker. Two compounds will increase liver damage and potential for worse sides.
 
yates84 said:
You could blow up on either tbh, it's all diet dependant. Wanna try something new? Dmz. Wanna stick with what you know? Epistane. Either way you go don't expect to put on as much mass as your last epistane cycle, your first cycle is almost always your best.
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not necessarily if you start from weak ph like 1 andro and go up to the stronger your last one can be the best one....
 
bobi593 said:
not necessarily if you start from weak ph like 1 andro and go up to the stronger your last one can be the best one....
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You Get My point, Let's not Grasp at Straws here.
 
I know that trest aromatizes easily, but would it be easy to combat with aromasin or arimidex on cycle? How would the ai be ran on cycle to prevent gyno?
 
The Yolkster said:
I know that trest aromatizes easily, but would it be easy to combat with aromasin or arimidex on cycle? How would the ai be ran on cycle to prevent gyno?
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Don't use an ai on cycle unless you have high estrogen sides. You could probably get away with 50mg of trest as a base with no ai. I would still have exemestane on hand (but that's every cycle)
 
yates84 said:
Don't use an ai on cycle unless you have high estrogen sides. You could probably get away with 50mg of trest as a base with no ai. I would still have exemestane on hand (but that's every cycle)
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I feel that I am gyno prone, so I think if I ran it I would run anyways. What dosage protocol is best with 50mg trest?
 
The Yolkster said:
I feel that I am gyno prone, so I think if I ran it I would run anyways. What dosage protocol is best with 50mg trest?
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I personally think 75mg is the best dose for a base. That being said, if you feel you are gyno prone then the absolute last hormone you want to play with is trest. Dermacrine or epiandro might be a better choice. Stick to dht's.
 
yates84 said:
I personally think 75mg is the best dose for a base. That being said, if you feel you are gyno prone then the absolute last hormone you want to play with is trest. Dermacrine or epiandro might be a better choice. Stick to dht's.
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That was my original idea if I were to run a test base. What are your thoughts on adding aromasin to my pct of torem starting the aromasin at week 3? My epistane cycle had no test base and I began to feel shutdown at week 3, was this because of no test base or from epistanes anti-estrogenic effects?
 
The Yolkster said:
That was my original idea if I were to run a test base. What are your thoughts on adding aromasin to my pct of torem starting the aromasin at week 3? My epistane cycle had no test base and I began to feel shutdown at week 3, was this because of no test base or from epistanes anti-estrogenic effects?
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Pct is the time that you want to get estrogen low to help trigger test production so aromasin is a good idea if you don't have any other ai's in there. I would dose 12.5mg eod and adjust from there. During your epi cycle did you feel lethargic or did your libido just suck or any other problems you can think of? Will give you my best guess at the possible problem.
 
yates84 said:
Pct is the time that you want to get estrogen low to help trigger test production so aromasin is a good idea if you don't have any other ai's in there. I would dose 12.5mg eod and adjust from there. During your epi cycle did you feel lethargic or did your libido just suck or any other problems you can think of? Will give you my best guess at the possible problem.
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Towards the end of week 3 my libido had dropped a bit but I didn't notice any lethargy. For the pct would torem 90/60/60/30 and aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 (eod) be good?
 
The Yolkster said:
Towards the end of week 3 my libido had dropped a bit but I didn't notice any lethargy. For the pct would torem 90/60/60/30 and aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25 (eod) be good?
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Sounds like it could just be the first signs of suppression. Try a base this cycle and see if that doesn't fix your problem. I am not familiar with Torem tbh but I believe that is the reccomended dose. I would confirm that with someone else though. Just run the aromasin at 12.5mg for all 4 weeks, it's a suicide inhibitor so no need to taper.
 
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