DMZ+TR3ST 8-week advice

[Loneyboy]

Looking for advice on supports and dosing

4 years dedicated training
6'
170
<10% bf
Squat: 335
Bench: 225
Dead: 385
OHP: 165
Looking to bulk, focusing on size more than strength.

DMZ 40/40/60/60/60/60/60(80?)/60(80?)
Tr3st 00/00/50/50/50/50/50/50
Cycle support throughout
TUDCA throughout
Inhibit-P throughout
Letro on hand, most likely low dose throughout

PCT:
Torem 120 for 3 days, 90 for 4, 60 for 2 weeks, 30 for 1
super pct 4/3/2/1
Osta 20/15/15/10/10->
Derma strength
reduce xt
Letro on hand

Diet:
3500 cals, adding 100-200 cals/week
110g fat
375g carbs (20+g fiber)
250g protein

 

[Smont]

Couple things, is this your first cycle? If so 40-60 on dmz is more then enough. At 6 foot 170, id focus on eating more. Finally if you have never ran osta before dont use in pct. If you have in past and feel comfortable go for it.
Transdermal trest 50-100 weeks 1-8,
Dmz 40-60 and have a good ai

 

[Loneyboy]

Couple things, is this your first cycle? If so 40-60 on dmz is more then enough. At 6 foot 170, id focus on eating more. Finally if you have never ran osta before dont use in pct. If you have in past and feel comfortable go for it.
Transdermal trest 50-100 weeks 1-8,
Dmz 40-60 and have a good ai

Second cycle, first was DMZ 30/30/40/40/60/60. Ran osta in PCT before. I want to keep trest low to combat lethargy, and I'm prone to estro sides. Definitely focusing on eating more, my training has been geared towards strength for a long time, lean bulking during. This one will be an all out bulk, but I'm trying to do it smart and not get fat as ****.

 

[Volvo140G]

Ditch the osta

 

[Loneyboy]

Ditch the osta

Sounds good. Anything I should add into pct? Is dermastrength worth it?

 

[Volvo140G]

Sounds good. Anything I should add into pct? Is dermastrength worth it?

Save your money on the dermastrength

I dunno man you'll be fine. I don't know what super pct is. I'm a fan of daa I'm pct but its by no means necessary

 

[goodvibes]

Save your money on the dermastrength

I dunno man you'll be fine. I don't know what super pct is. I'm a fan of daa I'm pct but its by no means necessary

Have you tried dermastrength? On paper it sounds good but I haven't really tried it myself so I'm trying it on my pct.

 

[Hazard5150]

why letro and not something like formeron or transform?

 

[g0hardorgohom]

DMZ 40/40/40/40/40/60
TR3ST 50/75/75/75/75/75

SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1

Osta at 10mg/day max

I'd do those little tweaks and then you're good to go. TransFORM as on-cycle AI at 100mg/day.



If you want to run it for longer than 6 weeks, up the TR3ST to 100-125mg/day after dropping DMZ and continue with it.

 

[Hazard5150]

DMZ 40/40/40/40/40/60
TR3ST 50/75/75/75/75/75

SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1

Osta at 10mg/day max

I'd do those little tweaks and then you're good to go. TransFORM as on-cycle AI at 100mg/day.




If you want to run it for longer than 6 weeks, up the TR3ST to 100-125mg/day after dropping DMZ and continue with it.

would it not be better to start the trest 2 weeks earlier then the dmz so that both end on the same day? otherwise you'd be starting pct 2 weeks after you finish the dmz?

 

[frankz2]

Sounds good. Anything I should add into pct? Is dermastrength worth it?

Everyone knows the claims comparing the anabolic:androgenic ratios of laxogenin and anavar. I'm not here to feed those lines, but with its potential to increase muscle protein synthesis up to 200% as well as anecdotal reports of the "on" feeling of a cycle, it sure seems like it would make a perfect addition to your PCT.

 

[Loneyboy]

why letro and not something like formeron or transform?

Went with Transform last time. Ended up with gyno. Don't trust it. Cheaper and more effective to low dose letro.

DMZ 40/40/40/40/40/60
TR3ST 50/75/75/75/75/75

SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1

Osta at 10mg/day max

I'd do those little tweaks and then you're good to go. TransFORM as on-cycle AI at 100mg/day.



If you want to run it for longer than 6 weeks, up the TR3ST to 100-125mg/day after dropping DMZ and continue with it.

Not gonna run Transform as stated above. The set up does look good. I'll keep it in mind. Little concerned about high dosing trest however. Estro/prolactin sides hit me hard.

Everyone knows the claims comparing the anabolic:androgenic ratios of laxogenin and anavar. I'm not here to feed those lines, but with its potential to increase muscle protein synthesis up to 200% as well as anecdotal reports of the "on" feeling of a cycle, it sure seems like it would make a perfect addition to your PCT.

Studies are great but I'm looking for first-hand experiences of people in normal settings similar to mine, not a controlled lab environment

 

[frankz2]

Thats why I didn't harp on the ratios. Can't study the "on" feeling and anecdotal reports have shown some strength gains as well.

 

[Nitro41]

Is your treat oral or transdermal. I didnt feel like the trest was a big player for me. I just did the same run.

I would reccomend you hit 60 on dmz for sure, but anything over is just a waste of product.

I did 50mg oral trest preworkout and 50mg dermatrest at night before bed. It kept my joimts nice and wet, but i feel like the pumps and all the "on" symptoms came from the dmz.

I did as recommended by Gohard..... Dropped dmz at 6wks amd ran the trest heavy til it ran out. I could really feel when the dmz was outta my system. The trest is just like a nice background.

 

[Loneyboy]

Is your treat oral or transdermal. I didnt feel like the trest was a big player for me. I just did the same run.

I would reccomend you hit 60 on dmz for sure, but anything over is just a waste of product.

I did 50mg oral trest preworkout and 50mg dermatrest at night before bed. It kept my joimts nice and wet, but i feel like the pumps and all the "on" symptoms came from the dmz.

I did as recommended by Gohard..... Dropped dmz at 6wks amd ran the trest heavy til it ran out. I could really feel when the dmz was outta my system. The trest is just like a nice background.

Transdermal trest. Looks like I'll run 40 for 2, then 60 for 4, and then depending on how I feel, I'll either drop everything or maybe add another week or 2 of 60. Won't go up to 80. Really wanting to stick with a low dose of trest, 75mg a day of oral had my nips all kinds of messed last cycle. Ralox and letro currently to get them back down.

 

[goodvibes]

Is your treat oral or transdermal. I didnt feel like the trest was a big player for me. I just did the same run.

I would reccomend you hit 60 on dmz for sure, but anything over is just a waste of product.

I did 50mg oral trest preworkout and 50mg dermatrest at night before bed. It kept my joimts nice and wet, but i feel like the pumps and all the "on" symptoms came from the dmz.

I did as recommended by Gohard..... Dropped dmz at 6wks amd ran the trest heavy til it ran out. I could really feel when the dmz was outta my system. The trest is just like a nice background.

Same here, I feel like trest runs well on the background of dmz/Msten. When trest is ran standalone you can tell a huge difference. The only reason I knw it does work is because I did feel increased e2 sides and I didn't lose libido at all during my dmz cycle.

The only disappointment is expecting trest to be a stronger compound given it was my first real run on true anabolics.

 

[Hazard5150]

Is your treat oral or transdermal. I didnt feel like the trest was a big player for me. I just did the same run.

I would reccomend you hit 60 on dmz for sure, but anything over is just a waste of product.

I did 50mg oral trest preworkout and 50mg dermatrest at night before bed. It kept my joimts nice and wet, but i feel like the pumps and all the "on" symptoms came from the dmz.

I did as recommended by Gohard..... Dropped dmz at 6wks amd ran the trest heavy til it ran out. I could really feel when the dmz was outta my system. The trest is just like a nice background.

what kind of gains did you make?

 

[mixedup]

Same here, I feel like trest runs well on the background of dmz/Msten. When trest is ran standalone you can tell a huge difference. The only reason I knw it does work is because I did feel increased e2 sides and I didn't lose libido at all during my dmz cycle.

The only disappointment is expecting trest to be a stronger compound given it was my first real run on true anabolics.

Trest is a stronger compound you didnt run it the way alot of us suggested. What dose were you running transdermal

 

[goodvibes]

Trest is a stronger compound you didnt run it the way alot of us suggested. What dose were you running transdermal

Wtf do you mean "a lot of us suggested"? You dnt even know me and you dnt even know how much I ran... You're funny man

 

[mixedup]

[/U]s;4782360]Wtf do you mean "a lot of us suggested"? You dnt even know me and you dnt even know how much I ran... You're funny man

Hey I'm not trying to come at you wrong you were in a thread and alot of people told you myself included pinning would be much stronger you said you were going to go transdermal becuz pinning every day would be a hassle

 

[goodvibes]

Hey I'm not trying to come at you wrong you were in a thread and alot of people told you myself included pinning would be much stronger you said you were going to go transdermal becuz pinning every day would be a hassle

My bad I have a massive headache and probably just roid raging. But yes I remember a convo in one of the thread regarding IM trest application. I'm sure the effectiveness is a lot better using that route.

I'm still just a bit disappointed with the oral/td trest that I used even with the high reviews on the AM forum. My dose to answer your question though is:

50mg oral trest preworkout
50mg td trest post workout/shower
25mg td trest 9hrs after last application

I'm still working on testing the products I used but I'm jst really busy lately and studying/testing the SERMs are at a higher priority for me right now.

Sorry for derailing this thread

 

[mixedup]

My bad I have a massive headache and probably just roid raging. But yes I remember a convo in one of the thread regarding IM trest application. I'm sure the effectiveness is a lot better using that route.

I'm still just a bit disappointed with the oral/td trest that I used even with the high reviews on the AM forum. My dose to answer your question though is:

50mg oral trest preworkout
50mg td trest post workout/shower
25mg td trest 9hrs after last application

I'm still working on testing the products I used but I'm jst really busy lately and studying/testing the SERMs are at a higher priority for me right now.

Sorry for derailing this thread

Np understand completely

 

[Nitro41]

what kind of gains did you make?

Full inch on my arms, 1.5inches on legs, abs coming through better, chest notably bigger, forearms and calves over half an inch bigger.

At my peak i put on 14lbs, readjustedmy diet end ended the cycle at a leaner 10 of gains. Im coasting on osta and maintaing all my size. All measurements taken with no pump