DMZ pills/powder taken sublingually?

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I've purchased some true DMZ (Dymethazine - 15mg) and I'm interested in the sublingual method to potentially avoid some of the liver stress. I've heard taht this could be a more effective way to take oral steroids and prohormones.

I've also read that the two superdrol molecules that make up DMZ are separated in the gut by stomach acid and that this is how it becomes active in the body.

Would that mean the sublingual route would not work or would heavily reduce the effectiveness as it would mostly avoid being exposed to stomach acid?

Or have I got this completely wrong? Not a chemist!
 
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I've purchased some true DMZ (Dymethazine - 15mg) and I'm interested in the sublingual method to potentially avoid some of the liver stress. I've heard taht this could be a more effective way to take oral steroids and prohormones.

I've also read that the two superdrol molecules that make up DMZ are separated in the gut by stomach acid and that this is how it becomes active in the body.

Would that mean the sublingual route would not work or would heavily reduce the effectiveness as it would mostly avoid being exposed to stomach acid?

Or have I got this completely wrong? Not a chemist!
Honestly man, the best thing you can do IMO, is forget about the SD connection.
DMZ is it's own steroid, and most of us that have used both would tell you they're just definitely different compounds with different effects (the good and bad effects).
Honestly, I always advise guys to just treat DMZ like what it is: "DMZ the steroid".
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Cheers, thanks for the advice.

I'm mainly concerned that the entire DMZ steroid may be inactive without reaching the stomach acid - making sublingual administration ineffective.

Is it your understanding that the DMZ only becomes an active steroid (of any type) once it is processed in the gut by stomach acid? Or will it absorb under the tongue and be immediately active without ever reaching the gut?
 
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Cheers, thanks for the advice.

I'm mainly concerned that the entire DMZ steroid may be inactive without reaching the stomach acid - making sublingual administration ineffective.

Is it your understanding that the DMZ only becomes an active steroid (of any type) once it is processed in the gut by stomach acid? Or will it absorb under the tongue and be immediately active without ever reaching the gut?
Dude, your overthinking the crap out of this. Weather you eat it, take it sublingually, or stick the capsule up your ass it's going to work similarly all 3 ways and the differences will be so miniscule you would never notice. Except for the pill up your ass you would definitely notice that. But I'm not joking stop overthinking it just take the stuff it doesn't matter how you take it, it only matters that you take it
 
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Cheers, thanks for the advice.

I'm mainly concerned that the entire DMZ steroid may be inactive without reaching the stomach acid - making sublingual administration ineffective.

Is it your understanding that the DMZ only becomes an active steroid (of any type) once it is processed in the gut by stomach acid? Or will it absorb under the tongue and be immediately active without ever reaching the gut?
If some of the compound is absorbed sublingually, certainly most Won't be.
Most will end up in the stomach.
 
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I've taken orals broken up throughout the day, all in one shot pre-workout, sublingual throughout the day, sublingual in one shot pre-workout, all in one shot pre-workout training days only, sublingual training days only, two days on two days off. Every way works, the more you take the more it works the less you take the less it works. Same for the side effects the more you take the more chance for side effects the less you take the less chance for side effects
 

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I've taken orals broken up throughout the day, all in one shot pre-workout, sublingual throughout the day, sublingual in one shot pre-workout, all in one shot pre-workout training days only, sublingual training days only, two days on two days off. Every way works, the more you take the more it works the less you take the less it works. Same for the side effects the more you take the more chance for side effects the less you take the less chance for side effects
Thanks, that's a helpful experienced-based conclusion!

What is your opinion on the importance of building up blood serum levels of these oral compounds?

I'm considering multiple short cycles of the DMZ - 5 days on 5 off or similar.

As you have tried so many strategies, do you think this is a sound plan or not as optimal as far as results and similar levels of damage as just doing a straight 4-week cycle? What was the most successful protocol you've tried with the best balance of results vs sides?

I'm also trying to avoid the lethargy that can appear after a few weeks of everyday use of these methylated compounds. I have 4-andro as a weak 'test base' if necessary as well. I also have TUDCA, NAC, and Clomid for during and after.
 
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Thanks, that's a helpful experienced-based conclusion!

What is your opinion on the importance of building up blood serum levels of these oral compounds?

I'm considering multiple short cycles of the DMZ - 5 days on 5 off or similar.

As you have tried so many strategies, do you think this is a sound plan or not as optimal as far as results and similar levels of damage as just doing a straight 4-week cycle? What was the most successful protocol you've tried with the best balance of results vs sides?

I'm also trying to avoid the lethargy that can appear after a few weeks of everyday use of these methylated compounds. I have 4-andro as a weak 'test base' if necessary as well. I also have TUDCA, NAC, and Clomid for during and after.
If your only taking orals then you need to take the dmz every day, pulsing or randomly taking them is not wise at all, your hormones will spike all over the place, you won't have enough steady drug in you to make progress and so on. I would aim for 6 weeks. The main reason oral only cycles suck is because there too short. You can't build much muscle in 4-6 weeks. Even if you took every steroid in existence you are not putting on more then a lb of muscle per week. In fact 10-12lbs of muscle per year on steroids is a amazing rate. When guys gain 20lbs in a month it's water and glycogen, not gains. If steroids worked that good then 3-4 oral cycles would make someone as big as a professional bodybuilder.


Now, if your on testosterone then you can get away with scattered dosing because your basically getting a pre-workout androgen boost.

But in general, daily dosing is always best. Especially when oral only cycles.

Don't over think it, don't think your gonna have some fancy method to beat the system. Just take it daily.

Oral only cycle to make the most out of it, I would take my whole dose with a high carb pre-workout meal on training days and on rest days take it whenever.
 
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Lathergic, loss of appetite and pretty much every side effect is going to be user-dependent. But taking 330mg of 4 Andro daily alongside the dmz is a wise choice, it would also be wise to have some exemastane on hand.
 

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If your only taking orals then you need to take the dmz every day, pulsing or randomly taking them is not wise at all, your hormones will spike all over the place, you won't have enough steady drug in you to make progress and so on. I would aim for 6 weeks. The main reason oral only cycles suck is because there too short. You can't build much muscle in 4-6 weeks. Even if you took every steroid in existence you are not putting on more then a lb of muscle per week. In fact 10-12lbs of muscle per year on steroids is a amazing rate. When guys gain 20lbs in a month it's water and glycogen, not gains. If steroids worked that good then 3-4 oral cycles would make someone as big as a professional bodybuilder.


Now, if your on testosterone then you can get away with scattered dosing because your basically getting a pre-workout androgen boost.

But in general, daily dosing is always best. Especially when oral only cycles.

Don't over think it, don't think your gonna have some fancy method to beat the system. Just take it daily.

Oral only cycle to make the most out of it, I would take my whole dose with a high carb pre-workout meal on training days and on rest days take it whenever.
Great advice!
 
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Great advice!
Ultimately, you got to just try it for yourself. We can all give you guidelines and those are good to go by, but at the end of the day you're not going to know how something works until you've tried it first hand. Good luck bro. Eat accordingly to your goals and bust your ass in the gym and everything's going to work out fine. If you start getting weird side effects don't be afraid to pull the plug early you can always start over with something else
 
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