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DMZ or Superdrol?

Borashi said:
Judge me if you want but it wasn't until I started lifting for hours till real gains were made. I'm up 18lbs in 6 months. I must be doing something right? When I lifted for 45 mins, 4 days a week, 3 years ago, I couldn't break thru 170. Now I'm 185. Lifting doesn't affect everyone the same, but keep questioning my work ethic, I'd smoke most anyone in the gym.
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I won't question your work ethic bro.
I respect that.

When I first started, I overtrained (at least in relation to rest/nutrition/ cortisol control.)

Keep up the hard work bro.
 
I wasn't calling you out... I was referring to the bro that feels more progress can be made in 45 mins vs hours. My Sunday lifting session was 3 hrs btw, I hit 2 new prs. Tell me again my plan isn't working. lol
 
Borashi said:
I wasn't calling you out... I was referring to the bro that feels more progress can be made in 45 mins vs hours. My Sunday lifting session was 3 hrs btw, I hit 2 new prs. Tell me again my plan isn't working. lol
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Oh no, I understood.
I just wanted you to know that I appreciated your willingness to go hard at it.
 
Well, you're never stronger than the moment before you do your first rep of the session. So there's that. I vary my training. Usually I'm cooked after an hour. Sometimes though, that's not enough. And when it's not I hit it as hard as I can.
 
I think there are 2 way more fundamental principles here than "optimum training duration".

1) as long as you are progressing, 10mins or 4hrs who cares

2) as long as you are aware of accumulated fatigue and overreaching, and then the need to deload, 10mins or 4hrs who cares
 
Nac said:
I think there are 2 way more fundamental principles here than "optimum training duration".

1) as long as you are progressing, 10mins or 4hrs who cares

2) as long as you are aware of accumulated fatigue and overreaching, and then the need to deload, 10mins or 4hrs who cares
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I wish I could spend four hours in the gym and have it all count positively toward my goals. That would be amazing. I'd hate to have to spend that long in order to progress, though. That's what I thought it took when I was a teen, hours and hours to get that Arnold body.
 
Just tonight my training partner goes "Jesus dude we've been at this for an hour and a half." I shot him a dirty look, he replies "An hour and ten minutes?" To which I respond "In exactly five minutes it will have been one hour since we got out of the locker room. Rows are next."
 
mikeymike85 said:
Is 2 hours and 20 mins supposed to make it better than 45 mins? I see a ton of chodes that are in the gym for long periods of time, and I'm pretty sure I outwork them in the 35 minutes I'm there for. Nobody needs to workout for 2 hours and 20 minutes.
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The only way out would make sense to train that long would be if you're training for strength resting ten minutes between sets. Otherwise most people would only be able to sustain that by doing a lot of junk volume and redundant isolation exercises.

For instance 5 sets of 10 for barbell curls is pretty much going to max out the potential for growth for biceps. The guy who does barbell curls, then preacher curls, then hammer curls then drop set bayesian cable curls then rest pause concentration curls is just wasting time.
 
BarryScott said:
The only way out would make sense to train that long would be if you're training for strength resting ten minutes between sets. Otherwise most people would only be able to sustain that by doing a lot of junk volume and redundant isolation exercises.

For instance 5 sets of 10 for barbell curls is pretty much going to max out the potential for growth for biceps. The guy who does barbell curls, then preacher curls, then hammer curls then drop set bayesian cable curls then rest pause concentration curls is just wasting time.
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Exactly. 4 hours makes sense only if you are trying to keep the same RPE at a given weight throughout you working seets on a particular exercise. But even then, 4 hours would imply a lot of volume.

Then on the other side 45m means you are basically doing metabolic work all the time, that or extremly low volume.
 
I train 6 days a week a push pulling split.Mon Thursday is chest bis, tue fri is back triceps, wed sat is delts legs. I do 24 working sets each session in less than 60 minutes. After 60 minutes I'm totally exhausted muscle failure
 
dvw said:
I train 6 days a week a push pulling split.Mon Thursday is chest bis, tue fri is back triceps, wed sat is delts legs. I do 24 working sets each session in less than 60 minutes. After 60 minutes I'm totally exhausted muscle failure
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I do a similar number of heavy sets in a similar amount of time, but only 4 days a week, and I do full body every training day. M/W is Deadlift, Flat Press, Cable Cross, Cable Row, Cable Flye, Pulldown; T/Th is Leg Press, Incline Press, One Handed Pulldown, One Handed Cable Row, Pressdown, Calf Curl. Saturday I walk ten miles uphill. I can’t squat, because of a previous neck injury. And it sucks because I love squats.
 
I do full body every training day as well. Love doing deadlifts last. I start out at 4x15 reps then switch to 5x8 reps repeat set. 4x15 lighter sets, 5x8 heavy sets. I feel like lighter sets warm my muscles up for a greater (heavy) load capacity.
 
Borashi said:
I wasn't calling you out... I was referring to the bro that feels more progress can be made in 45 mins vs hours. My Sunday lifting session was 3 hrs btw, I hit 2 new prs. Tell me again my plan isn't working. lol
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Okay, BRO. Your cocky attitude that 2 hours and 20 mins is superior to someone not working out that long is why I made my statement. Pipe down Nancy, show us pics of your "smoking everyone in the gym". Chode.
 
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Inb4 pics of borashi looking like John cena’s twin
 
"What we look like can sometimes be despite what we do"

Jason Blaha, interwebz fitness guru
 
Borashi said:
Okay. Appreciate the feedback. I'm not going to abuse SD. 10mgs for 3 weeks is all I want to do with 700 mg tudca, 2000 mg nac, and amiricarepro for cycle support.
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Yeah 10mg of SD is probably as liver toxic as one 10th of a paracetamol pill. Even if you don't take liver protection and take 60mg nothing will happen to you. It's absolutely reckless to do so but if you take the same level of paracetamol you're dead. It's great that you chose to use support and that you're going low on the sd not just for the liver but cholesterol, blood pressure etc etc..
 
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