DMZ or SARM cycle?

Borashi

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This will be my 2nd cycle beginning late November,early December. Which would you run? DMZ, epiandro stack or S23 LGD epiandro stack? This will be a winter bulk. DMZ would be a shorter cycle length of 4-6 weeks, SARM cycle would be 8 weeks. I have all on hand except Epiandro. If I don't use epiandro as a test base, could I use dermacrine instead?
 
Honestly man, if you are going to compromise your hormones, just go with DMZ. Sarms may be even more suppressive than some other PED compounds. And from my exprerience, you'll probably have better gains and cycle with DMZ than with Ldg
 
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The LGD stack is equivalent to a dude revving his V6 Mustang. The DMZ is equivalent to a dude revving his ZR1. The choice is yours! Maybe some hyperbole but I just think DMZ would be nearly twice as good
 
Lgd is a very strong Sarm but its a Sarm. It can compete with some oral aas but not dmz that's one of the stronger aas. I would really consider msten instead.

1. You seem new to this and msten has very few reported sides.
2. Msten is also very strong and pretty much on pair with dmz.
3. I just think the gains are more pleasant with msten than most orals. You'll get big and it also gives a lot of vascularity and grainy look if you're in decent shape before the cycle. Dmz will hold more water.
 
Ok thats what i was wondering. I found quite a few products with msten on strong supp. I might have to look more into this to add to test + tbol cycle.
 
Vicious Labs makes MSten. Buy from a reputable source. I have Geozine on hand, so Im leaning towards running that.
 
Chados said:
Lgd is a very strong Sarm but its a Sarm. It can compete with some oral aas but not dmz that's one of the stronger aas. I would really consider msten instead.

1. You seem new to this and msten has very few reported sides.
2. Msten is also very strong and pretty much on pair with dmz.
3. I just think the gains are more pleasant with msten than most orals. You'll get big and it also gives a lot of vascularity and grainy look if you're in decent shape before the cycle. Dmz will hold more water.
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Msten aromatize?
 
DMZ. It's much stronger by far for gaining size quickly. The problem with it is it's hard to keep that on (for me) unless you're using it as part of a longer cycle. Still my results have always been at very least I was stronger after I stopped taking it than before I started.

That s23 is probably more toxic, actually. That's another reason DMZ is a wiser choice.
 
Chados said:
Lgd is a very strong Sarm but its a Sarm. It can compete with some oral aas but not dmz that's one of the stronger aas. I would really consider msten instead.

1. You seem new to this and msten has very few reported sides.
2. Msten is also very strong and pretty much on pair with dmz.
3. I just think the gains are more pleasant with msten than most orals. You'll get big and it also gives a lot of vascularity and grainy look if you're in decent shape before the cycle. Dmz will hold more water.
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I agree with all of this. Msten is going to be the better compound for results compared to DMZ.

It's also a little more toxic, and a lot more suppressive. But suppression is happening regardless of what you choose so that's probably not much concern.
 
Old Witch said:
I agree with all of this. Msten is going to be the better compound for results compared to DMZ.

It's also a little more toxic, and a lot more suppressive. But suppression is happening regardless of what you choose so that's probably not much concern.
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Totally agree
 
Old Witch said:
I agree with all of this. Msten is going to be the better compound for results compared to DMZ.

It's also a little more toxic, and a lot more suppressive. But suppression is happening regardless of what you choose so that's probably not much concern.
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I don't think it is. The gains from msten shouldn't be as good but nicer, more definition.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Sounds good! Will need to look into this compound. It isn’t explicitly listed as schedule 3 controlled substance yet either?
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Nope. It's fair game still.

Also, dmz vs msten for KEEPABLE gains... That's a real toss up. They're both orals you run for less than two months. It's hard to keep gains you get in less than two months of you come off right away.

I would vote Msten, just because less of what you gain will be fat, in fact you may lean out a bit. Dmz will not lean you out unless you are very gifted genetically. If you eat real dirty you'll still get fat.

Also, Chados what I mean is on dmz a guy might gain 20 lbs on 1500 calorie surplus with 5lbs of fat, 10lbs of water in the muscle, and 5lbs of dry protein. Whereas the same athlete and diet on msten it's more like 10lbs of dry protein, 10lbs of water in the muscle, and you've actually LOST 5-10lbs of visceral and subcutaneous fat or more. So the weight at the end of the cycle on msten would be less, because you leaned out more. But you gained more muscular weight than on dmz.

Either way, that water losses out the day you stop taking it. Seriously you'll piss out ten lbs the day after your dmz cycle ends. I sure did this last time.
 
I'd say Msten is the next best thing to M1T, and dmz is the next best thing to superdrol. EXCEPT that Superdrol was much much much more powerful than dmz, and Msten is almost equal. M1T (for me) was much more powerful than Superdrol, but Superdrol had worse sides. M1T was like the idea of steroids you had as a kid, take these pills, and in a month to eight weeks (if you're lucky enough to make it that long) you'll be jacked as **** even if you started off as a wimp. Crazy stuff. The problem was afterwards you bloat up and any cuts you have will go away, and then the water in the muscle(excess glycogen storage) comes off right away, so you flatten out badly and look like a retired.football player.

That's the deal with a lot of strong orals.on a solo run with no bridging or anything. It does sound worse than it is, too. If you look at it like you have to control cortisol and other hormones rigidly, you can keep almost everything. But that's bridging.
 
Old Witch said:
Nope. It's fair game still.

Also, dmz vs msten for KEEPABLE gains... That's a real toss up. They're both orals you run for less than two months. It's hard to keep gains you get in less than two months of you come off right away. .
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This may be a stupid question, but since you are more prone to lose so much muscle on methlayted designer steroids during pct due to rapidly gaining so much muscle in a short 4 week cycle, do you think you could possibly have equal net pounds of muscle gain AFTER pct from an 8 week andro cycle since in theory though you wouldn’t gain as much during the 8 week andro run as compared to the 4 week methylated run you should lose less of a percentage of your gains during PCT since they were acquired slower over a longer 8 week period?
 
Old Witch said:
Nope. It's fair game still.

Also, dmz vs msten for KEEPABLE gains... That's a real toss up. They're both orals you run for less than two months. It's hard to keep gains you get in less than two months of you come off right away.

I would vote Msten, just because less of what you gain will be fat, in fact you may lean out a bit. Dmz will not lean you out unless you are very gifted genetically. If you eat real dirty you'll still get fat.

Also, Chados what I mean is on dmz a guy might gain 20 lbs on 1500 calorie surplus with 5lbs of fat, 10lbs of water in the muscle, and 5lbs of dry protein. Whereas the same athlete and diet on msten it's more like 10lbs of dry protein, 10lbs of water in the muscle, and you've actually LOST 5-10lbs of visceral and subcutaneous fat or more. So the weight at the end of the cycle on msten would be less, because you leaned out more. But you gained more muscular weight than on dmz.

Either way, that water losses out the day you stop taking it. Seriously you'll piss out ten lbs the day after your dmz cycle ends. I sure did this last time.
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It's true that dmz adds weight more so than msten. While I assume you are speaking correctly I can't tell by your post but I guess you don't mean that muscles will get lost faster with one compound but that the weight you loose will be water and fat and that's correct.
I don't know if msten is more toxic. I highly doubt it but I can't swear on it.
 
JoePaul39 said:
This may be a stupid question, but since you are more prone to lose so much muscle on methlayted designer steroids during pct due to rapidly gaining so much muscle in a short 4 week cycle, do you think you could possibly have equal net pounds of muscle gain AFTER pct from an 8 week andro cycle since in theory though you wouldn’t gain as much during the 8 week andro run as compared to the 4 week methylated run you should lose less of a percentage of your gains during PCT since they were acquired slower over a longer 8 week period?
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You'd be better off using an injectable for 10-15 weeks and using the orals on the first month of it.
 
JoePaul39 said:
This may be a stupid question, but since you are more prone to lose so much muscle on methlayted designer steroids during pct due to rapidly gaining so much muscle in a short 4 week cycle, do you think you could possibly have equal net pounds of muscle gain AFTER pct from an 8 week andro cycle since in theory though you wouldn’t gain as much during the 8 week andro run as compared to the 4 week methylated run you should lose less of a percentage of your gains during PCT since they were acquired slower over a longer 8 week period?
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Listen.. You have fat water and muscle that will increase with weight gain. No steroid will make you lose more muscle than the other. You'd definitely gain more on say msten compared to andro.. It's not even comparable, not to mention strength. I'd say the step from andro to msten is as big as going from natural to andro
 
JoePaul39 said:
Thanks for useful info.
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It's a myth you know. The thing is that the more weight you'll gain you could arguably expect to look worse. Its easier to maintain a physique thats dry so the less bloat the easier to stay lean. There are exeptions to this such as winstrol and tren where you'd gain weight and still lose fat and water. Msten is a little of everything that's why I like it.
 
Chados said:
It's a myth you know. The thing is that the more weight you'll gain you could arguably expect to look worse. Its easier to maintain a physique thats dry so the less bloat the easier to stay lean. There are exeptions to this such as winstrol and tren where you'd gain weight and still lose fat and water. Msten is a little of everything that's why I like it.
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Does it raise blood pressure as much as DMZ? What was your bp readings while on it? What would be the max weeks you would run it, 6?
 
JoePaul39 said:
Does it raise blood pressure as much as DMZ? What was your bp readings while on it? What would be the max weeks you would run it, 6?
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Oh man I can't remember that.. I tell you this. For some reason I never get high bp.. It can go up a little but very little. I think dbol gave me some BP.

DMZ should be worse for your BP.. I don't know this for sure but I base it on people's reviews. I've seen very few reported sides with msten. It's a weaker steroid.. I like it more but dmz should surpass it in muscle building potency
 
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