DMZ and test cycle questions

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Recently ive been thinking of upping the game to injectables and using test with the dmz i have sitting around. Being fairly new to injectables i had a few questions.

1. which ester to use for the test? i know i have access to t400 which i know is a mix, as well as prop, and maybe sust. My main concern is PIP as i have a physical job and i cant really afford any time off. now i know its person specific, but i know ester can play a large role as well. I plan to do as much as i can to lessen the pain as it is (hot water, heating pad, massage/foam roll, slow injection time, 25g pin) but still curious what more may hellp. I also would ideally run the cycle 10-12 weeks and i think i read shorter esters shouldnt be ran as long.

2. what dosage of test should it be? again i know ester plays a role but id like to see some suggestions. Dmz will be ran at 45mg to start, and bumped to 60 if sides are low for 8 weeks. The test should help keep lethargy down and libido up so unless other major sides pop up i *think* i should be ok.

3. I have some OL dermatr3st kicking around as well, just one bottles worth - would it be worth adding into the stack?

all opinions welcomed. i've done plenty of research around dmz and trest but unsure what else to consider when you add test to the mix
 
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If you run test with 45 mg DMZ sounds like gains are coming !
 
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Recently ive been thinking of upping the game to injectables and using test with the dmz i have sitting around. Being fairly new to injectables i had a few questions.

1. which ester to use for the test? i know i have access to t400 which i know is a mix, as well as prop, and maybe sust. My main concern is PIP as i have a physical job and i cant really afford any time off. now i know its person specific, but i know ester can play a large role as well. I plan to do as much as i can to lessen the pain as it is (hot water, heating pad, massage/foam roll, slow injection time, 25g pin) but still curious what more may hellp. I also would ideally run the cycle 10-12 weeks and i think i read shorter esters shouldnt be ran as long.

2. what dosage of test should it be? again i know ester plays a role but id like to see some suggestions. Dmz will be ran at 45mg to start, and bumped to 60 if sides are low for 8 weeks. The test should help keep lethargy down and libido up so unless other major sides pop up i *think* i should be ok.

3. I have some OL dermatr3st kicking around as well, just one bottles worth - would it be worth adding into the stack?

all opinions welcomed. i've done plenty of research around dmz and trest but unsure what else to consider when you add test to the mix
If your main concern is PIP, then get Test 400 out of your head as a first injectable cycle. In my experience, 400 is not a blend but just a higher concentration of Test per ml. It's usually Test E 400. E holds better at higher concentrations than Cyp. But that higher concentration is notorious for bad PIP. For a fist time I recommend getting Cyp or E 250. Start at 500mg/week, run your DMZ as a kicker for the first 4-6 weeks. If Sust is your only other option than the 400, go with that. Just calls for more frequent injections and probably adjusting the dose to get the proper amount since it's usually Sust 250, and 3 1ml injections per week equals 750mg. Don't give PIP too much credit, all this rubbing, massaging, heating pad, etc. Dude pin slow with warmed oil and a steady hand and go. All that other shiit is not going to help you. A heating pad cannot save your ass if you wiggled a needle around in your muscle. Be cool calm and steady and all that PIP scare is out the window.
 

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If your main concern is PIP, then get Test 400 out of your head as a first injectable cycle. In my experience, 400 is not a blend but just a higher concentration of Test per ml. It's usually Test E 400. E holds better at higher concentrations than Cyp. But that higher concentration is notorious for bad PIP. For a fist time I recommend getting Cyp or E 250. Start at 500mg/week, run your DMZ as a kicker for the first 4-6 weeks. If Sust is your only other option than the 400, go with that. Just calls for more frequent injections and probably adjusting the dose to get the proper amount since it's usually Sust 250, and 3 1ml injections per week equals 750mg. Don't give PIP too much credit, all this rubbing, massaging, heating pad, etc. Dude pin slow with warmed oil and a steady hand and go. All that other shiit is not going to help you. A heating pad cannot save your ass if you wiggled a needle around in your muscle. Be cool calm and steady and all that PIP scare is out the window.
Thanks man for the advice! I'm pretty sure I can get Cyp as well so I'll go with that, is 10-12 weeks doable on that? Other than that sounds like a good plan but:

-does dmz dosage soutdoor good? I have two full OL dmz bottles and don't foresee being able to get more so I'd like to use just enough so I can do another cycle in the future or use it all (I think I have enough for 3 weeks at 45 and 5 at 60, 8 weeks total). I'll also leave the dermatrest out for now. Thanks for the tips!
 
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Yeah I forgot to say that I would leave the Trest out of this cycle. So good thinking. I know some people have combined test and Trest and did fine, but I just tried it and it lit my gyno up pretty bad. Finally under control over a month later!

OL DMZ is 20mg caps so it's either 40 or 60, not 45. But I would run at least 4 weeks at 40. Forgot the count per bottle but I would go 40/40/60/60 as your kicker. Possibly a 5th week at 60 if all is going well.
 

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Yeah I forgot to say that I would leave the Trest out of this cycle. So good thinking. I know some people have combined test and Trest and did fine, but I just tried it and it lit my gyno up pretty bad. Finally under control over a month later!

OL DMZ is 20mg caps so it's either 40 or 60, not 45. But I would run at least 4 weeks at 40. Forgot the count per bottle but I would go 40/40/60/60 as your kicker. Possibly a 5th week at 60 if all is going well.
Cool man thanks a lot! If I keep to 4-5 weeks I'll have enough dmz to last another cycle easy
 
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Cool man thanks a lot! If I keep to 4-5 weeks I'll have enough dmz to last another cycle easy
Good luck man. DMZ is a good kicker for a test cycle. Have used it myself. If you have any questions once it gets going feel free to shoot me a pm
 

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Good luck man. DMZ is a good kicker for a test cycle. Have used it myself. If you have any questions once it gets going feel free to shoot me a pm
will do! i'll probably start a log on it when the time comes (hopefully in the next week or two). i ran a tbol/var cycle into my last show and ended up on stage at 5'8/167 for physique and placed 3rd. need some extra size before the next one and it'll be a really goood recomp. thanks again!
 
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I'm doing exactly what you are wanting to do. Only difference is I'm using TNE and not pinning.
100mg Tne ED 8 weeks
100mg trest ED 6 weeks caps/TD
48mg dmz ED 6 weeks.
Putting on alot of size it is definitely a very wet cycle but exem is doing just fine at 12.5 mg E3D.
 
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Zero reason to combine ment and test.

Dzine will be great with either, but best with the test.
 
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I'm using the test to keep the ment from completely crashing my test also why I'm running it for 2 weeks past ment to make recovery super easy.
 
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I think he trolling.
 
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Zero reason to combine ment and test.

Dzine will be great with either, but best with the test.
All serious now though, you think the test is just 100% negating the ment? Or vice Versa?
 
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Some ppl will run test no matter what, but it's not really necessary on ment. Ment don't convert to dht but other then that it has all of tests benefits with some extra estrogen conversion (methyl estrogen)
 
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Some ppl will run test no matter what, but it's not really necessary on ment. Ment don't convert to dht but other then that it has all of tests benefits with some extra estrogen conversion (methyl estrogen)
Ok that makes perfect sense then. Yea I literally run test with everything figured why not with ment. That makes sense though.
 

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