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Just some thoughts. Feel free to chime in on what you plan to do after you finish cycling. Do you plan on being on HRT for the next 20-60 years? Are you hopeful that you will fully recover when you decide that cycling is no longer for you? How do you want to feel, and live, many years after your cycling days are over? Are you cognisant of how your current cycling will affect your health going forward? Do you get bloodwork? Do you really believe that cycling 2 or 3 times per year is "safe"? Would you be okay with self-perscribed or doctor-monitored HRT for decades to come? In the end, will it be worth it to you, all for just a few years of enhanced physicality........and personality?

In recent times I've been a proponent of "time on + PCT = time off" as a minimum amount of time off. In reality it's an arbitrary statement that sounds nice but is irrelevant as far as guaranteeing recovery. It guarantees you nothing and really only serves as a way of helping to mitigate or temporarily stave off some of the compounded damage that takes place from continual cycling. It does this by keeping you off-cycle longer than most people want. The feeling of being "on" is a drug in and of itself. I'd be thrilled if the new "saying" going forward was "time on + PCT x 2 = time off". It's not just important enough to recover your baselines values, it is more important to maintain those values again for extended peiods of time. The body is incredibly adept at learning what we teach it. When we constantly tell it to shut-down it's own production of hormones, eventully it will listen to this "advice". Off-season is better than on-season! Try promoting that statement on AM! :]

I hope people understand that hormone manipulation goes so incredibly far beyond just muscle growth/loss and HPTA suppression and recovery. I know a few OGs who, after many years of steroid use/abuse, realize that they are a completely different person than they could ever have imagined they would become. All of them that I've spoken to on this topic attribute these personality changes to many years of androgen abuse. Certainly exogenous hormones will affect everyone to a different degree but these hormones absolutely do activate cellular changes far beyond just muscle/bone growth. Eventually we all become what we live...

I realize that as time goes on I have become far more conservative in my approach to hormone manipulation. This philosophy comes from years of experimenting and seeing the results of those experiments. As time marches on, my health is becoming far more important than the feeling of being "on" at the expense of other areas of my life. This rationality and ultimate reality will vary greatly from person to person, and for many reasons. Some people use cycling as an adjunct to their life while others use it as a crutch to overcome those negative perceptions that they choose to allow to define them.

For those that are building towards something, like competing in various bodybuilding or strength competitions, there are real reasons to observe the risks of continual cycling. For those that make a living off of their physique, there is an easy justification that can be made for that as well. For those who just use anabolics solely as a way of "looking better", I hope health always outweighs the feeling of being "on". For me, as my goals have changed, so to now will my methodology for reaching those goals. Constant adjustment from gained knowledge means continuous improvement in areas beyond the "total number".

If there's one thing I know it's that people will ultimately cycle as they please, almost inspite of recommenations from more experienced users. Grown folks need to decide for themselves how they wish to live their life. Hopefully they do that with the foresight of how they wish to live their life after they decide to stop cycling, assuming they don't get stuck cycling TRT for many years to come. If you are one of those people who only desires to use steroids for occassional recreational pruposes, keep it that way. Try and keep cycling to once per year as a way of enhancing what you have been maintaining or modifying all year long. Hopefully that serves as a healthier way of messing with mother nature.

So, what are you plans going forward? How do you wish to live in your eldery years? Some guys are "balls to the walls" and "live life now and worry about it later", and that's okay! There is no judgement here! Other guys/gals are more conservative and really do worry about how these hormones will affect their long-term health and the lifestyle they wish to have later in life. Where do you fit in?

Feel free to discuss. No judgement here. We are all different and that's what makes a discussion like this possible.
 
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And if you read through all of my above post, thanks and congratulations!
 
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Very interesting and thought provoking. I'm 36 and only a year into anabolics. I see how easy it is to become dependant on these drugs. I'm cycling now but plan a nice long break after this is over... Hopefully o have the will power to stick to that long break
 

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Yeah I feel like the 12-20 week cycles are done for me. The recovery has gotten to hard for my body. Short oral cycles or maybe sarms for 8 weeks. Getting away from injectables. I am not getting paid to look great so currently over the counter stuff is fun and I still look great, lol. I will say some of worst moments have been while "on." Don't have time for that anymore. End of the day I have no interest in trt for the next 40-50 years, unless necessary. The testboosters work great for me for the libido and feel good results, of course not increased test. Currently trying to enjoy mk677, so I guess on to the next issue. Lol
 
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I’m young and just starting out but I’m conservative about this. I don’t wanna jump in head first. Longevity is more important than looking good on cycle.

And I want it to be an adjunct to my life. It should allow you to live your life more fully, but the drugs themselves should not become your life.
 

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Just some thoughts. Feel free to chime in on what you plan to do after you finish cycling. Do you plan on being on HRT for the next 20-60 years? Are you hopeful that you will fully recover when you decide that cycling is no longer for you? How do you want to feel, and live, many years after your cycling days are over? Are you cognisant of how your current cycling will affect your health going forward? Do you get bloodwork? Do you really believe that cycling 2 or 3 times per year is "safe"? Would you be okay with self-perscribed or doctor-monitored HRT for decades to come? In the end, will it be worth it to you, all for just a few years of enhanced physicality........and personality?

In recent times I've been a proponent of "time on + PCT = time off" as a minimum amount of time off. In reality it's an arbitrary statement that sounds nice but is irrelevant as far as guaranteeing recovery. It guarantees you nothing and really only serves as a way of helping to mitigate or temporarily stave off some of the compounded damage that takes place from continual cycling. It does this by keeping you off-cycle longer than most people want. The feeling of being "on" is a drug in and of itself. I'd be thrilled if the new "saying" going forward was "time on + PCT x 2 = time off". It's not just important enough to recover your baselines values, it is more important to maintain those values again for extended peiods of time. The body is incredibly adept at learning what we teach it. When we constantly tell it to shut-down it's own production of hormones, eventully it will listen to this "advice". Off-season is better than on-season! Try promoting that statement on AM! :]

I hope people understand that hormone manipulation goes so incredibly far beyond just muscle growth/loss and HPTA suppression and recovery. I know a few OGs who, after many years of steroid use/abuse, realize that they are a completely different person than they could ever have imagined they would become. All of them that I've spoken to on this topic attribute these personality changes to many years of androgen abuse. Certainly exogenous hormones will affect everyone to a different degree but these hormones absolutely do activate cellular changes far beyond just muscle/bone growth. Eventually we all become what we live...

I realize that as time goes on I have become far more conservative in my approach to hormone manipulation. This philosophy comes from years of experimenting and seeing the results of those experiments. As time marches on, my health is becoming far more important than the feeling of being "on" at the expense of other areas of my life. This rationality and ultimate reality will vary greatly from person to person, and for many reasons. Some people use cycling as an adjunct to their life while others use it as a crutch to overcome those negative perceptions that they choose to allow to define them.

For those that are building towards something, like competing in various bodybuilding or strength competitions, there are real reasons to observe the risks of continual cycling. For those that make a living off of their physique, there is an easy justification that can be made for that as well. For those who just use anabolics solely as a way of "looking better", I hope health always outweighs the feeling of being "on". For me, as my goals have changed, so to now will my methodology for reaching those goals. Constant adjustment from gained knowledge means continuous improvement in areas beyond the "total number".

If there's one thing I know it's that people will ultimately cycle as they please, almost inspite of recommenations from more experienced users. Grown folks need to decide for themselves how they wish to live their life. Hopefully they do that with the foresight of how they wish to live their life after they decide to stop cycling, assuming they don't get stuck cycling TRT for many years to come. If you are one of those people who only desires to use steroids for occassional recreational pruposes, keep it that way. Try and keep cycling to once per year as a way of enhancing what you have been maintaining or modifying all year long. Hopefully that serves as a healthier way of messing with mother nature.

So, what are you plans going forward? How do you wish to live in your eldery years? Some guys are "balls to the walls" and "live life now and worry about it later", and that's okay! There is no judgement here! Other guys/gals are more conservative and really do worry about how these hormones will affect their long-term health and the lifestyle they wish to have later in life. Where do you fit in?

Feel free to discuss. No judgement here. We are all different and that's what makes a discussion like this possible.
Nice post! I am currently a college football player with opportunity to go to the next level. I have been cycling for 2 years now.

However, once football is over I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I do plan on staying off for a while after football and focus on building a family and stuff.

I have thought about maybe just cruising test when I'm older. However that's many years down the road and might not run gear ever again after football! Haven't decided yet.
 

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I love the way I look on cycle. I don't need the libido or feel good that a proper cycle brings. Luckily I always have those things. With the improvement in natural supplements it is getting a little closer, with dialed in diet, to have fullness and vascularity comparable to steroids. If course not quite their but in the ballpark. Granted cycling for that look costs pennies compared to buying natural products.
 
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Yeah I feel like the 12-20 week cycles are done for me. The recovery has gotten to hard for my body. Short oral cycles or maybe sarms for 8 weeks. Getting away from injectables. I am not getting paid to look great so currently over the counter stuff is fun and I still look great, lol. I will say some of worst moments have been while "on." Don't have time for that anymore. End of the day I have no interest in trt for the next 40-50 years, unless necessary. The testboosters work great for me for the libido and feel good results, of course not increased test. Currently trying to enjoy mk677, so I guess on to the next issue. Lol
I'm not very experienced with injectables but I can't imagine ever cycling with injectables again. It's just not for me. I don't enjoy long cycles and to be honest, I don't like having pins around the house, even when they're hidden away.

We're in agreement on possible future cycling. This summer I'm on a mild SARM cycle (4-8mg LGD) and it will be my only cycle for this year. Next year, if I decide to cycle again, will also be a mild SARM or Halo/Tbol cycle. At this point I'm just looking for an "edge" heading into the summer. Honesly though, I'm actually excited about the prospect of training naturally (year 'round) once again. I miss those natty gains...

I’m young and just starting out but I’m conservative about this. I don’t wanna jump in head first. Longevity is more important than looking good on cycle.

And I want it to be an adjunct to my life. It should allow you to live your life more fully, but the drugs themselves should not become your life.
It's a very slippery slope. At the end of the day, it really is about the bigger picture, whether one wants to see it or not. Of course, that picture is different for everybody.

Balance is key...

One's priorities in life help to define who they become. If it comes down to deciding whether or not to buy a bottle of gear or groceries, or if the decision is between gear or paying bills, or gear or family, one might need to re-evaluate their priorities. Freedom to decide. That's what makes life interesting.

Balance is LIFE...

I know this because finding balance has always been difficult for me, as it likely is for most people. The journey....
 
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Nice post! I am currently a college football player with opportunity to go to the next level. I have been cycling for 2 years now.

However, once football is over I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I do plan on staying off for a while after football and focus on building a family and stuff.

I have thought about maybe just cruising test when I'm older. However that's many years down the road and might not run gear ever again after football! Haven't decided yet.
What will the next level look like for you? Will you be able to use gear still?

Being off is great for perspective. The "gains" are certainly different but we either accept that....or we stay on and accept the potential consequences.

Choices.

I love the way I look on cycle. I don't need the libido or feel good that a proper cycle brings. Luckily I always have those things. With the improvement in natural supplements it is getting a little closer, with dialed in diet, to have fullness and vascularity comparable to steroids. If course not quite their but in the ballpark. Granted cycling for that look costs pennies compared to buying natural products.
Hard to beat being full and vascular but once you get to a particular age - which is different for everyone - the people around you don't care nearly as much about they way you look as you do! Steroids and that life-style is certainly a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I've mostly shied away from natty anabolics in recent times. They're obviously not as effective as gear and they can be costly for the reward you get. The cost is understandable though, novelty items and all. I really wonder though if some of these random "natural" anabolics really are as safe as we'd like to believe. Steroids, SARMs, new-to-the-market natural anabolics, we're still guinea pigs running around the wheel looking for gains. I may have to look at experimenting a bit in this area going forward.

Maybe I'm turning into a hippy who's only going to eat raw, whole foods......somewhere down the line anyway. Lol.
 
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Calling out some of the OG's on the board. You're perspective would be great in here.

How is life after many years/decades of cycling? Are you done with cycling or do you still blast and cruise? Are you on TRT? Do you have any regrets, advice, or even some thoughts when you look back and analyze your decision to make gear a big part of your life?
 

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Really interesting post.

I started using anabolics because I left it too late (36) to take advantage of a natural good hormonal balance. As a former fatty I regain fat extremely easily which meant trying to get stronger was really tough (I’m a qualified pt and train with pt’s who have loads of experience so I know I was doing all the right things).

I work really hard in the gym and anabolics enable me to get a return on that work.

Personally my family was complete (and I’d had the snip) before I started so that wasn’t a concern. I was also very clear in my own head about why I was doing it - I don’t want to be the biggest guy or the strongest guy out there. I want to be damn healthy though (my motivation to lose the 140lbs I did 5 years back was to be healthy for my family) and more lean mass with less fat is a healthy way to be.

I do everything I can to minimise potential issues and get bloods, do bp readings regularly etc. First sign of issues and I’ll stop as it’s no longer conducive to my goals.

Do I enjoy the feeling of being on - hell yeah of course I do but as a former drug and alcohol addict I know when I feel powerless to something and anabolics aren’t like that at the moment for me, gambling was the same, I enjoyed it but could control it.

Where do I see the future, short and medium term I plan on getting to my desired lean mass and then running 1 long or 2 short cycles a year to keep slow progress and make sure I’m enjoying my time in the gym (I part own alongside a full time job so keeping things interesting helps)

I get why people often don’t take long spells off - I like to keep variety in my training and cycling won’t be beneficial to all of it (running for example) - I’ll have spells off where I focus on other fitness things (learning a martial art or oly lifting - I’ll have enough strength but will make progress through technique).

I’d like to think I won’t need hrt prematurely but I’m a big boy and came into this with my eyes open - I’ve made many many mistakes in my life but that’s part and parcel of life, I’ll give a wry smile and carry on.

Everything in life carries risk, my last drink was over 5 years ago, I almost lost everything for nothing (didn’t even enjoy drinking by that stage), said to myself at the time that any thing in the future which had any risk had to have benefits that outweighed the negatives. Anabolics fit that bill for me, when they don’t I’ll walk away and take up golf lol
 

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I laugh because you could be at the beach with friends and see some juiced up moose and unless you have been working out no one else notices or even cares. The cult for that size is still very small so if that is anyone's goal it is definitely for self. Which is how it should be.
I agree with taking things around summer. I have some IM trest and DTA and I really have no interest in using them. Sometimes you get to that point of still motivated but injectables just not there. I will say building muscle is a whole new challenge minus steroids. But it is fun and worth the effort. I am married with 3 boys so that is my passion.
 
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Calling out some of the OG's on the board. You're perspective would be great in here.

How is life after many years/decades of cycling? Are you done with cycling or do you still blast and cruise? Are you on TRT? Do you have any regrets, advice, or even some thoughts when you look back and analyze your decision to make gear a big part of your life?
I think it’s all about the age when you start, the older you start the less problems/doubts you have ....
 
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I injected my 1st anabolic (Test-E) at age 50 after 38 years of only Natty stuff,and my 1st pro-hormone in 2009. (31 years really natty).
I actually need it now as my test naturally is now low without it. (298). I only do 62.5 mg every 5 days, so (375 mg a month) so very little is needed to get me in "high end of normal). Now Ill throw in a small Var or Dbol (30 day thing) on occasion just for a bump. At 52, I really feel great...
 

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Calling out some of the OG's on the board. You're perspective would be great in here.

How is life after many years/decades of cycling? Are you done with cycling or do you still blast and cruise? Are you on TRT? Do you have any regrets, advice, or even some thoughts when you look back and analyze your decision to make gear a big part of your life?
Hey guys. I'm 44 and have over 15 years of cycling experience. Im 6'6 weigh about 350, and can bench in the low 500s raw. Currently, I blast and cruise. I've been doing this for about 5 years. Bloods, bp, are fine. However, in Dec I'm going to cut to under 300. I will continue to blast and cruise until I switch to a trt dose. I feel good, look good, and I'm strong as a tank. It's my choice, not for everyone.
 

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What will the next level look like for you? Will you be able to use gear still?

Being off is great for perspective. The "gains" are certainly different but we either accept that....or we stay on and accept the potential consequences.

Choices.



Hard to beat being full and vascular but once you get to a particular age - which is different for everyone - the people around you don't care nearly as much about they way you look as you do! Steroids and that life-style is certainly a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I've mostly shied away from natty anabolics in recent times. They're obviously not as effective as gear and they can be costly for the reward you get. The cost is understandable though, novelty items and all. I really wonder though if some of these random "natural" anabolics really are as safe as we'd like to believe. Steroids, SARMs, new-to-the-market natural anabolics, we're still guinea pigs running around the wheel looking for gains. I may have to look at experimenting a bit in this area going forward.

Maybe I'm turning into a hippy who's only going to eat raw, whole foods......somewhere down the line anyway. Lol.
Yes I will still be able to use gear! 98% of the NFL is on PEDs. So yes it's not an issue. They give you an 8 month notice before your tested too!

And yeah I know the gains will be different but like you said! Is the risk really worth it to look good? Idk in some way yes becsuse that "on" feeling is amazing! But then again are the potential health issues worth it in the long run? I would say no.
 
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Yes I will still be able to use gear! 98% of the NFL is on PEDs. So yes it's not an issue. They give you an 8 month notice before your tested too!

And yeah I know the gains will be different but like you said! Is the risk really worth it to look good? Idk in some way yes becsuse that "on" feeling is amazing! But then again are the potential health issues worth it in the long run? I would say no.
2% of the NFL isn’t on PED’s?!?!? That number seems high.
 
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Lifting has been a passion of mine since 14 when i went from a chubby little wuss to a varsity wrestler and football player. I held records for squat and deadlift for my weightclass in high school all natural. My life took a different path and got addicted to drugs but i still found my peace in lifting. Ive trained mma, jiujitsu, muay thai and ive done crossfit and i just loved all of it but still the drugs remained. I got sober and i started cycling cause when i got sober training sucked, i had no energy, no libido, gains came slow and i just didnt feel good and i thought it might help. I always did a proper pct and everything. But come to find out theres a connection between opiates and low testosterone and i was on opiates (lots of opiates) for years and years. Once i stopped using the opiates they werent masking the symptoms anymore. The opiates were where i got my energy and drive from while on them. So im on trt now and feel much better. I havent done a ton of cycles and ive been pretty careful about using supports and ancillaries. Im going to continue to cycle for quite a while i imagine. Well i guess its more of a blast and cruise situation bc im on trt. But im going to keep going with it and get huge and see what happens. Maybe ill compete in the years to come idk. Thats my story. Theres always a risk to it. But theres always a risk to everything. Life is a risk. But i do what i can to stay safe and healthy and i know ill reach an age where i wont want to blast anymore so i wont. But im on trt for good i imagine and im ok with that
 

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Calling out some of the OG's on the board. You're perspective would be great in here.

How is life after many years/decades of cycling? Are you done with cycling or do you still blast and cruise? Are you on TRT? Do you have any regrets, advice, or even some thoughts when you look back and analyze your decision to make gear a big part of your life?
I have been on anabolics since 1997. I was powerlifting back then and my cycle was pretty simple, test cyp, winny and every so often I would dissolve finaplex pellets in DMSO a couple of weeks before a meet.

Now in my late 40s I'm on trt with the occasional blast. I feel good and do not regret any of it.
 

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I have been on anabolics since 1997. I was powerlifting back then and my cycle was pretty simple, test cyp, winny and every so often I would dissolve finaplex pellets in DMSO a couple of weeks before a meet.

Now in my late 40s I'm on trt with the occasional blast. I feel good and do not regret any of it.
I forgot to mention that I stayed natty until the age of 28 and I had a pretty good total as a natty powerlifter. I powerlifted until the age of 33 and turned my focus to bodybuilding. I still have the love for the iron after all these years.

Here is some advice for the younger folks, 1) find a good doctor and have bloods done once per quarter.
2) dial back when you feel the need and rest.
3) don't do too much juice at once.

Live your life and try to help as many people in our sport as you can.
 

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2% of the NFL isn’t on PED’s?!?!? That number seems high.
My mentor who mentored me since middle school played as an NFL D-Lineman who played for Dallas and the Jets. He has told me many things about how the NFL handles PEDs and how easy they make it to go around testing etc.

There's more pro athletes on PEDs than you think!
 
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My mentor who mentored me since middle school played as an NFL D-Lineman who played for Dallas and the Jets. He has told me many things about how the NFL handles PEDs and how easy they make it to go around testing etc.

There's more pro athletes on PEDs than you think!
Ever since training natty and then venturing into the world of PED's i figured the amount of natural pro athletes has to be way less than athletes on PED's. I tried so hard to gain the performance and physique i wanted naturally and just mever could. Then i did a cycle and was like "Oh so thats how they do it." Lol
 

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It's kind of when every sprinter tests positive and still get smoked by Bolt, who mysteriously has not been caught. Pre Armstrong getting caught, all guys get caught doping and he is still flying by them like they are non-existent. PEDs are the difference from good and professional. Remember the baseball era, quite a few middle guys became stars and then disappeared once steroids were banned.
 
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Calling out some of the OG's on the board. You're perspective would be great in here.

How is life after many years/decades of cycling? Are you done with cycling or do you still blast and cruise? Are you on TRT? Do you have any regrets, advice, or even some thoughts when you look back and analyze your decision to make gear a big part of your life?
I can tell you after 10 years of aas usage, with the first 5 being heavy oral usage, and the last 3 out of 5 normal injectable cycles I’ve now come to a point over the last two years where I use what I’d consider therapeutic/athlete dosages for performance enhancement.
As far as blood work goes I’m just as healthy as I was 10 years ago after my first stacked methylated cycle.
I think this like everything else has to do with genetics. My total cholesterol was/is in the 130’s, my hdl normal/high, and ldl low.
Triglycerides are low/normal, unfasted glucose was in the 80’s.... you get the point.
Everything looks excellent compared to the normal American population that doesn’t use steroids.
But also my bp has never been above pre hypertension levels, even on some monster compounds/cycles.

Being big isn’t my thing as well. I’ve gotten up to 195, and didn’t like how I felt or what I had to do to be there. So now I just hover around 178-182.

My wife is pregnant with our second child and if it’s a boy I’ll get my balls tied up and start the process for legal trt.
Currently running 100mg test cyp, 100mg primo e each week for an idea of the dosages I use now.
I’ll be on this probably for 6-8 months.

If I had anything advice I’d tell everyone what I always tell them, my opinion on ass usage is they should only be used by health adult men with no pre existing medical conditions known or unknown.
If you ignore this warning then you are playing with fire and there’s a chance of getting burned.
 
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Hey guys. I'm 44 and have over 15 years of cycling experience. Im 6'6 weigh about 350, and can bench in the low 500s raw. Currently, I blast and cruise. I've been doing this for about 5 years. Bloods, bp, are fine. However, in Dec I'm going to cut to under 300. I will continue to blast and cruise until I switch to a trt dose. I feel good, look good, and I'm strong as a tank. It's my choice, not for everyone.
Yep. We all make our choices...and frequently, our choices change, or morph over time.
I noticed that a lot of times, when our stance or opinions on something stay the same.....the current climate around us changes the way people view us. For instance, your post here.... normally it would be much more popular anywhere else on this board than it was in this thread. But the content wouldn't have changed, only our perspective of it.

I have respect for people that seem to have a good understanding of what they're doing, and it's effects on themselves, and decided..."this is what I want". It's good to be honest with ourselves.

This is a good thread.
 
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I can tell you after 10 years of aas usage, with the first 5 being heavy oral usage, and the last 3 out of 5 normal injectable cycles I’ve now come to a point over the last two years where I use what I’d consider therapeutic/athlete dosages for performance enhancement.
As far as blood work goes I’m just as healthy as I was 10 years ago after my first stacked methylated cycle.
I think this like everything else has to do with genetics. My total cholesterol was/is in the 130’s, my hdl normal/high, and ldl low.
Triglycerides are low/normal, unfasted glucose was in the 80’s.... you get the point.
Everything looks excellent compared to the normal American population that doesn’t use steroids.
But also my bp has never been above pre hypertension levels, even on some monster compounds/cycles.

Being big isn’t my thing as well. I’ve gotten up to 195, and didn’t like how I felt or what I had to do to be there. So now I just hover around 178-182.

My wife is pregnant with our second child and if it’s a boy I’ll get my balls tied up and start the process for legal trt.
Currently running 100mg test cyp, 100mg primo e each week for an idea of the dosages I use now.
I’ll be on this probably for 6-8 months.

If I had anything advice I’d tell everyone what I always tell them, my opinion on ass usage is they should only be used by health adult men with no pre existing medical conditions known or unknown.
If you ignore this warning then you are playing with fire and there’s a chance of getting burned.
Good post. I’ve heard an expert on the subject claim that the steroid users who get their body weight into an unnatural range are the ones that often die from heart attacks. So let’s say a guy who’s 6’0 juiced up to 255lbs and stays around that weight for a decade, he’s putting himself at a much higher risk then the 6’0 guys who juice but stay closer to an acceptable body weight, like 190-200 lbs. I forget who said this but I found it interesting. So try to use juice to look more like Brad Pitt from “Troy” rather than using them to look like Ronnie Coleman.

And my last post on pro athletes was a joke. I suspect nearly all of them use PED’s.
 
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Plenty of great responses in here. I'll take a better look at them tomorrow. Hoping to keep the discussion going and for some others to chime in as well.
 

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