Different OCT AI:s and their effects?

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xo0ox

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So i been looking around on different OCT AI:s and how they work but som questions remains that i hope some of you can answer.

Here is what i have found out.

- Triazole - Competitive AI? Good on libido, mild AI (better for mild control during lean bulk or Recomp). Good strength gains and mood boost.
- Arimistane - Suicidal AI. Good drying effect, good for a mild PCT as i interakt on cortisol as well.
- Erase Pro/Plus (Abieta-8) - Competitive AI? - Good for recomp and mood boost, Mild AI but good drying effect out over time.
- 6-Bromo - Competitive AI/Suicidal AI. Good AI but could be suppressive in higher doses, good as an on cycle AI.
- ATD - Suicidal AI. Strong AI but kills libido due to it's anti androgenic activity.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

How does Arimistane and ATD compare? Does Arimistane has anti androgenic activity like ATD or do they work completely different?
Seen product combining Arimistane 50mg and Abieta-8 100mg (Ar1macare Pro). Something to consider during PCT maybe?
 
Some other good options include:

Formestane if you can still get it due to it being banned,

Exotherm which is a transdermal AI by Black Lion Research

Letrone which is an oral AI by Black Lion Research which is stronger as an ai when compared to exotherm and more suited to gaining muscle mass and bulking whilst exotherm is best due to it also working as a fatburner.

I have no experience using Arimistane, but have used 6-bromo in the past and found it effective when run at a dosage of 200mg per day.

But for PCT i would go with Letrone, and a test boosting product such as Alphamax XT,

Sup3r PCT by Olympus Labs is also a good product for PCT combined with LJ100 or Viron again to promote more improved recovery, also what serm do you have on hand for PCT.
 
paul56778 said:
Some other good options include:

Formestane if you can still get it due to it being banned,

Exotherm which is a transdermal AI by Black Lion Research

Letrone which is an oral AI by Black Lion Research which is stronger as an ai when compared to exotherm and more suited to gaining muscle mass and bulking whilst exotherm is best due to it also working as a fatburner.

I have no experience using Arimistane, but have used 6-bromo in the past and found it effective when run at a dosage of 200mg per day.

But for PCT i would go with Letrone, and a test boosting product such as Alphamax XT,

Sup3r PCT by Olympus Labs is also a good product for PCT combined with LJ100 or Viron again to promote more improved recovery, also what serm do you have on hand for PCT.
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Will try Rebirth as a SERM (2tab/day) 8 Weeks for an 8 week low dosed 1-Andro and Epi-Andro.
Will have Clomid as a backup just in case.
Want to try out rebirth as an legal SERM on mild run mainly because i feel like **** on Clomid, but it works.
 
Clomid messes with my mood especially on the 1st week where i run 100mg per day

I usually use clomid 100,50,50,25.
 
paul56778 said:
Clomid messes with my mood especially on the 1st week where i run 100mg per day

I usually use clomid 100,50,50,25.
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I'm a sensitive bastad though :)
I only run 50/50/25/25 on a mild run but still feel like crap even at 25mg (don't want to think how i would feel at 100mg). But we are all different in how we react to substances.

Will be interesting to see how Rebirth works.
 
xo0ox said:
I'm a sensitive bastad though :)
I only run 50/50/25/25 on a mild run but still feel like crap even at 25mg (don't want to think how i would feel at 100mg). But we are all different in how we react to substances.

Will be interesting to see how Rebirth works.
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Does it effect your vision?

100mg is usually good but does make me have mood swings and feel down and depressed then happy the other minute.

Feeling down is the only side i get from it.
 
Anybody got info about Arimistane (androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-dione) and if it shares the same anti androgenic activity as ATD (1,4,6-Androstatriene-3,17-dione)?
 
paul56778 said:
Does it effect your vision?

100mg is usually good but does make me have mood swings and feel down and depressed then happy the other minute.

Feeling down is the only side i get from it.
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I get the mood swings and depressed felling even at lower doses.
 
I would like to know about arimistane as well. I haven't heard much about it lately.

I am wondering if there is a possibility of estrogen rebound with it?
 
Your all running Clomid at excessive ammounts. There is a point of deminishing returns and i creased side effects. Cl9mid should be run no more than 25mg a day, and more so at 12.5mg ED or 25mg EOD.

Sustain Alpha os a great A.I./Test booster.
 
Hockeyaus33 said:
I would like to know about arimistane as well. I haven't heard much about it lately.

I am wondering if there is a possibility of estrogen rebound with it?
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You don't hear about it because it was useless as an AI and proven time after time by people that had labs done. It seems like a decent cortisol product, but there are better options.
 
kisaj said:
You don't hear about it because it was useless as an AI and proven time after time by people that had labs done. It seems like a decent cortisol product, but there are better options.
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You dont hear about it because the industry goes through trends.
 
kisaj said:
You don't hear about it because it was useless as an AI and proven time after time by people that had labs done. It seems like a decent cortisol product, but there are better options.
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You dont hear about it because the industry goes through trends.
 
kisaj said:
Things that work aren't subject to trends. If form were still available, nothing else would matter.
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Learn your history. See how popular ATD was in 2008-2010. 6-oxo around the same time or even before that.

Natty anabolics and test boosters go through trends too.

Pharmaceuticals stand the test of time.
 
kisaj said:
Son, don't try to come at me.
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Hahaha.

Im not arguing wether Arimidex is effective as an A.I., just that it went out of popularity as companies moved onto other ingredients.
 
How about stacking abieta-8 as an AI and Arimistane as an mild cortisol control?
Any info about how effective abieta-8 is as an AI?
 
Nolvadren XT is a decent product, arimistane dries you out but makes you feel flat like carb depleted or maybe its just me.
formestane FTW
 
I wouldn't use ATD, you can get good results from Arimistane. It's cheap, I think I saw it on NP as Muscle Addiction Eradicate E for $13-14 for 120 caps @25mg/cap.

Triazole is also good, fan of that product personally.

We, SNS, also have an inhibit-E product that's pretty great.

These are some of the best OTC options if you don't feel like getting into clomid etc
 
Daycrawler said:
I wouldn't use ATD, you can get good results from Arimistane. It's cheap, I think I saw it on NP as Muscle Addiction Eradicate E for $13-14 for 120 caps @25mg/cap.

Triazole is also good, fan of that product personally.

We, SNS, also have an inhibit-E product that's pretty great.

These are some of the best OTC options if you don't feel like getting into clomid etc
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What about risk of estro rebound from arimistane?
 
How about running Arimistane as an very mild AI/cortisol control during a mild 1-andro/4andro cycle.

Considering many advice not to use ATD during cycle due to it's anti andogenic effects (not seeing why anybody want to use it at all due to this) how does Arimistane (that i have seen many use in their products) compare?

So in short, does Arimistane share the same anti andogenic activity as ATD?
 
xo0ox said:
How about running Arimistane as an very mild AI/cortisol control during a mild 1-andro/4andro cycle.

Considering many advice not to use ATD during cycle due to it's anti andogenic effects (not seeing why anybody want to use it at all due to this) how does Arimistane (that i have seen many use in their products) compare?

So in short, does Arimistane share the same anti andogenic activity as ATD?
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I have never read anything stating arimistane has anti androgenic properties
 
Hockeyaus33 said:
I have never read anything stating arimistane has anti androgenic properties
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Read on a site (Invalid Link Removed) that stated that:

"It acts as a suicide inhibitor to decrease the amount of androgens in the body that can change to estrogen, efficiently tying the aromatase enzyme and producing a permanent reaction."

That is why i asked, never read is anywhere else so this seems lika a typo/misinformation.


From what i understand Arimistane increases androgens through negative feedback (body think that i has to lite estrogen) so it ramps up testosteron production (androgens) so that it can convert into estrogen, But as that enzyme i blocked by Arimistane the androgen level rises insteed.
 
Armistane is not an AI! That was miss markteing, look at blood work of people who used it. In some cases it increased estrogen.
 
rtmilburn said:
Armistane is not an AI! That was miss markteing, look at blood work of people who used it. In some cases it increased estrogen.
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Hmmm a rise in estrogen was probably due to confounding factors. Mechanistically how could arimistane possibly raise estrogen
 
Hockeyaus33 said:
Hmmm a rise in estrogen was probably due to confounding factors. Mechanistically how could arimistane possibly raise estrogen
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Don't know how but it has in quite a few. I've never seen it lower it though. I really don't think it's an AI. I think it works great for cortisol but I haven't seen to much evidence on that good or bad, all anecdotal.
 
rtmilburn said:
Armistane is not an AI! That was miss markteing, look at blood work of people who used it. In some cases it increased estrogen.
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Can you show some bloods? I've heard this a few times (as said earlier in the thread) but never seen someone post or link bloods.
 
Daycrawler said:
Can you show some bloods? I've heard this a few times (as said earlier in the thread) but never seen someone post or link bloods.
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It's a pain to quote for me, as I'm on mobile but check out the thread tittled products blood work. There is a few in there but that thread has other blood work in it to plus alot of chatting
 
So could I stack 25mg arimistane with Sustain Alpha and not worry about crushing estrogen tol much?
 
So a stack containing 25-50mg Arimistane and 75-100mg abieta-8 is not that dumb then. If the fact stands that Arimistane only affects cortisol and little if any estrogen.

How effective is abieta-8 as an anti estrogen?
 
I hardly doubt any OTC AI can crush estrogen unless you're mega-dosing and even then the side effects would probably be related to other things rather than estrogen. Formeron is the only one i think could crush estrogen and maybe iron legions AI but i havent tried it. Ive stacked Inhibit-E Sustain Alpha, and Alphamaxt XT and my E2 was 22.
 
JMark said:
Have you tried nolva?
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Yes, but I just finished a trenavar & halodrol pro hormones run so opted for clomid this time, normally I would run Nolva @ 20,20,10,10, before I have run both the nolva and clomid but now only feel the need to use one or the other.

Mood is much better this week at 50mg per day.
 
Read what I have written many times on clomid.


No need to run two serms. That is rwdundant as they are acheiving the same effect.
 
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