Differences between estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione(tren)vs estra-4,9,11-diene-3,17-dione

[freakstar]

Differences between estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione(tren)vs estra-4,9,11-diene-3,17-dione(trenavar) .whats the differences between the 2 products trenavar and tren of company BRAWN ?

 

[procore]

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[Bunshichi]

The 4,9 converts to Dienolone. The 4,9,11 to Trenbolone.
Both work pretty similar however.

 

[yates84]

Pretty much the same thing only dienolone is slightly stronger.

 

[Bunshichi]

Pretty much the same thing only dienolone is slightly stronger.

But not mg to mg.

But really. Thats new to me. Always thought trenbolon was stronger. Although I read at some points that Dienolone is markedly weaker.

Interested in more information.

 

[yates84]

But not mg to mg.

But really. Thats new to me. Always thought trenbolon was stronger. Although I read at some points that Dienolone is markedly weaker.

Interested in more information.

I've always heard the opposite but it's definitely a trivial difference for sure

 

[freakstar]

ok guys i have 1 bottle of trenavar and 1 bottle of tren could i stack half mg of tren and other half of trenavar?

 

[freakstar]

or should i run 4 weeks one of them and other 2 weeks the other one ?

 

[Bunshichi]

I would try to stack but what would the doses look like?

 

[GettinSwolen]

Crap, just noticed I did the same thing for my next cycle...

 

[freakstar]

i will go tren 30 trenavar 30 for 2 weeks +epistane 30 and next 4 weeks i will rise 45 -45-45 tren trenaavar epistane repsectively

 

[Bunshichi]

Well I guess 30 of the dienolone pro wont do much. Thats a one cap dose

 

[brofessorx]

Op your nomenclature is incorrect.

Dienedione is a di-ene trenadione is a tri-ene, hence why one has 4,9 and the other 4,9,11

 

[coltonwalker]

So, whats the true difference here as far as sides and gains?

 

[brofessorx]

It's going to be a matter of preference.

I personally notice no significant difference between the two.

Dosages of the two are pretty much the same. 90-120 mg with some going higher

 

[Mraesthetic12]

Why not just go with the tren? It has 90 caps at 30mg while trena v has 90 caps at 15mg. If dosage is the same the tren would be much cheaper

 

[Bunshichi]

But Tren is the PH to Dienolone and TrenaV the PH to Trenbolone. Trenbolone is usually prefered.

 

[brofessorx]

Both should be dosed at least at 90mg ed or more

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I've always heard the opposite but it's definitely a trivial difference for sure

the problem lies in the bioavaiblilty.. the dien version doesn't absorb well .. but I think you are right compared IM dienolone would be stronger on paper. the other problem I see is the huge side effects curve associated with diens, luckily they are active with out conversion. the trenavar needs to be ran high to get the benefits on conversion to tren.... diens are more active as is so that's what made it so popular back in the day...

all that said, neither of these compare to OG trenadrol which I think was real tren Or methyltren..