Diet, supplements before trt

burbage

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Is it possible to increase tesosterone with good diet, solid sleep, supplements before resorting to trt? I'm 37 and don't like the idea of pinning for life.
 
What is your current testosterone level? Was your bloodwork taken early in the morning?
 
Testosterone is really low at 4.8 and the range is 9.9 - 30. It was taken around 8.30 am. I also have high e2 and shbg.
 
Smart man looking to correct things naturally first. Yes, diet and sleep are huge with test levels, but the question is how you are feeling and what brought you in to get labs? You can't tell much with only testosterone labs, you need a full hormone panel and need to make sure thyroid is checked. Before chasing anything with OTC supplements, you should get a baseline lab done to see where everything is at.
 
kisaj said:
Smart man looking to correct things naturally first. Yes, diet and sleep are huge with test levels, but the question is how you are feeling and what brought you in to get labs? You can't tell much with only testosterone labs, you need a full hormone panel and need to make sure thyroid is checked. Before chasing anything with OTC supplements, you should get a baseline lab done to see where everything is at.
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I definitely agree with this. Full panel bloods would be much more helpful. Also, there are other types of TRT...there's gel and also pellets
 
nosnmiveins said:
I definitely agree with this. Full panel bloods would be much more helpful. Also, there are other types of TRT...there's gel and also pellets
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Just FYI....IF and only IF you end up on TRT, pellets and gels suck. Too many issues with totally balancing your hormones. It's a lot easier with injections.
 
Depends on the person, gels are a daily application that more closely follows the natural T-production curve than the other forms, being more prone to ups and downs, and dragging ass as you near your next injection

Plus needing to do the injects, or going to a clinic.

Gels work beautifully for me but this is definitely not a one size fits all situation.




But for the initial question, yes it is possible assuming no underlying issues. I would talk to your doctor for a diet recommendation to try, lead an active lifestyle, get your 8 hours sleep daily,...
 
Driven2lift said:
Depends on the person, gels are a daily application that more closely follows the natural T-production curve than the other forms, being more prone to ups and downs, and dragging ass as you near your next injection

Plus needing to do the injects, or going to a clinic.

Gels work beautifully for me but this is definitely not a one size fits all situation.




But for the initial question, yes it is possible assuming no underlying issues. I would talk to your doctor for a diet recommendation to try, lead an active lifestyle, get your 8 hours sleep daily,...
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Most guys self inject. Proper protocol with injections means there's no dragging ass. I was on gel for a year and it sucked. Absorption is hindered after repeated use. That's what most guys have experienced on this forum.

If it works for you, that's great but most guys do better with weekly or twice a week injections.
 
I think OP is hoping to not need TRT at all, anyways.
But good that people know a needle isn't the only way, some of us hate needles lol

Plenty to try first
 
I'm all about someone trying every avenue before getting on TRT. I've seen guys on here in their early 20's wanting to get on TRT. I wish I could reach through the computer and choke them!
 
Def get proper blood work done before you do ANYTHING. You can't measure change if you don't know where you started. In answer to your question, speaking as someone with feck all natural T you can do a lot with the right diet, supps and life routine
 
I'm 28 and had a full hormone panel done. Total T is around 480 highest free T is around 280 which is low normal and E2 is fairly high at 39. Pretty much have the levels of a 60 year old. Thyroid normal, LH and FSH a little low but normal. Perfect diet, sleep really well for a long time. Had symptoms of no libido, fatigue, depression and anxiety for years. Was hesitant to go on TRT even thought it was recommended by my doctor. I've been on cream only for 3 weeks now, been feeling the effects energy wise for sure. Still waiting for libido to kick back in but feel like my E2 is still up there. If my labs come back good in a few weeks I'm going to continue using test cream indefinitely.
 
drejb said:
I'm 28 and had a full hormone panel done. Total T is around 480 highest free T is around 280 which is low normal and E2 is fairly high at 32. Pretty much have the levels of a 60 year old. Thyroid normal, LH and FSH a little low but normal. Perfect diet, sleep really well for a long time. Had symptoms of no libido, fatigue, depression and anxiety for years. Was hesitant to go on TRT even thought it was recommended by my doctor. I've been on cream only for 3 weeks now, been feeling the effects energy wise for sure. Still waiting for libido to kick back in but feel like my E2 is still up there. If my labs come back good in a few weeks I'm going to continue using test cream indefinitely.
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32 isn't that high. What matters more is your testosterone to estrogen ratio. Ideally, you want this ratio to be between 14 and 20. People say the ideal E2 value is between 20-30, but I felt terrible with my T at 800 and my E at 25. I backed off the AI dose and I'm starting to feel better. I get my lab results back tomorrow actually, so it will be interesting to see where I'm at.

The T and E levels that will have you feeling your best cannot be found in a book or on an internet forum post. You will have to figure them out for yourself as you tweak your protocol. It is likely though that if the cream is effective at raising your test, your E2 will slowly start to creep up as well. Some guys can get away with not using an AI on TRT, but many need at least a low dose of Arimidex to adequately control their E2. It might be as low as 0.25mg once or twice a week, but that tiny dose will make a huge difference in how you feel.
 
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mike33511 said:
32 isn't that high. What matters more is your testosterone to estrogen ratio. Ideally, you want this ratio to be between 14 and 20. People say the ideal E2 value is between 20-30, but I felt terrible with my T at 800 and my E at 25. I backed off the AI dose and I'm starting to feel better. I get my lab results back tomorrow actually, so it will be interesting to see where I'm at.

The T and E levels that will have you feeling your best cannot be found in a book or on an internet forum post. You will have to figure them out for yourself as you tweak your protocol. It is likely though that if the cream is effective at raising your test, your E2 will slowly start to creep up as well. Some guys can get away with not using an AI on TRT, but many need at least a low dose of Arimidex to adequately control their E2. It might be as low as 0.25mg once or twice a week, but that tiny dose will make a huge difference in how you feel.
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Sorry, i meant 39 not 32. I mentioned an AI to my doc and she said let's see how the next labs come back, but try to do it without it.

I think it would be a game changer if I just took .25 a week. If my doc won't prescribe it I'll probably just source it somewhere else
 
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