Diesel Test while on TRT?

Iam not stirring the pot here but I have a valid question . Even with blood work posted on the quality of Diesel products , Why would people still argue about the products legitimacy ? countless logs dating back to 2003 IIRC ... Either way I have always supported Chucks products . I actually ran this with no serm after my last cycle . I should grab the blood work reports from the docs when I go on Wednesday and post full results not just write in the numbers ?
 
mmorso said:
I have seen bloods from other guys that show DT is legit... Brandinooooo for one just got labs back and it increased his test...
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It may be good stuff. I have never said Diesel products are useless but we need to get it down to a honest level. It will NOT boost your T levels high etc. If you are lucky, a good T booster will increase just couple of 100s and thats it.
Sure you may get nice libido, energy, mood etc but extreme size and strength gains due to this small T increase will not happen
 
Danes said:
It may be good stuff. I have never said Diesel products are useless but we need to get it down to a honest level. It will NOT boost your T levels high etc. If you are lucky, a good T booster will increase just couple of 100s and thats it.
Sure you may get nice libido, energy, mood etc but extreme size and strength gains due to this small T increase will not happen
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Agreed. But getting that slight increase is not without value
 
Danes said:
It may be good stuff. I have never said Diesel products are useless but we need to get it down to a honest level. It will NOT boost your T levels high etc. If you are lucky, a good T booster will increase just couple of 100s and thats it.
Sure you may get nice libido, energy, mood etc but extreme size and strength gains due to this small T increase will not happen
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Yeah it was an increase of about 130. The best test booster I've tried hands down though.
 
ucheoma said:
What matters most are results. Arguments about ingredients, dosages are largely hypothetical in my view without measurable oucomes.Diesel test does have more in the way of bloodwork results suggesting it works than other 'test booster' products from what i see
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How can a dose be hypothetical when they are in research that do measure for them? Moreover, how do we even know that certain ingredients increase certain measures without these very same studies? Because someone selling them tells me they do, or because some objective measure assessed it for those outcomes?

The way chuck worded his post was made to seem as though his product works because it has 30 ingredients, and not because of the dosages used and that other products weren't as good as his because if this flaw. This doesn't make sense as many ingredients have been assessed at certain dosages and with certain extracts to improve these objective measures.
 
bighulksmash said:
Iam not stirring the pot here but I have a valid question . Even with blood work posted on the quality of Diesel products , Why would people still argue about the products legitimacy ? countless logs dating back to 2003 IIRC ... Either way I have always supported Chucks products . I actually ran this with no serm after my last cycle . I should grab the blood work reports from the docs when I go on Wednesday and post full results not just write in the numbers ?
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Do you have test levels pre PCT? Your levels would increase naturally in PCT, anyway.
 
Danes said:
And who is OP? I can bet my thick Viking sausage it is fake account made for hyping products
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I wish I had a thick Viking sausage...not like I like dudes, like I wish women would think, "Oh my, his sausage does smack of Viking savagery!"
 
I believe 130, thank you. For me, 130 would do nothing, for someone else, it may be boner city - only the individual can decide if the money they spent, was worth it each month.

As far as PCT talk - your body will (usually) recover normally, so saying you took "X" product and got back to 500, isn't really saying much. As an example (that I alllllllways use) UncleSARM started at 557, went down to 236 after 8 weeks of Ostarine, and recovered to only 467 using a natty PCT product (numbers approximate). That ain't good BTW.

And unfortunately, unless coming from a long time skeptic, you really can't trust impressive increases posted on forums - it's too easy to take 12.5mg of Clomid along with your natty booster. If you really want to know, just pay $66x2 one time, and do the Female Hormone Panel before and after - it's cheaper than months and months of product.
 
mmorso said:
Agreed. But getting that slight increase is not without value
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Agree. I have not taken Get Diesel's test boosters yet (I have a bottle of the red label one not sure which one bc he has so many versions lol) but, test boosters have brought my TT from 245 (around forget exact number) to 405 and believe me the difference was night and day on how I felt. This has happened multiple times for me before and now after TRT.
 
My test levels were normally a little low. On average around 360-400. The blood results had my total test at 500. I had started it towards the end of my pct.

I felt it work. I felt amazing while on it and after. Its something I will buy and use every time I do pct.

As for it increasing test whole on trt, I have no idea.
 
ELROCK said:
Agree. I have not taken Get Diesel's test boosters yet (I have a bottle of the red label one not sure which one bc he has so many versions lol) but, test boosters have brought my TT from 245 (around forget exact number) to 405 and believe me the difference was night and day on how I felt. This has happened multiple times for me before and now after TRT.
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with such test boosters exactly did you have these effects?
 
storm 011 said:
with such test boosters exactly did you have these effects?
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Actually those were from the first time testing some years back it was with HCGenerate. I have had very similar number increased since then with varies test booster stacks though. Rebirth/Viron and Tripinol XP/Reversitol V2 combos come to mind.

Also Both Viron and HcGenerate increased my free T numbers while on TRT.
 
ELROCK said:
Actually those were from the first time testing some years back it was with HCGenerate. I have had very similar number increased since then with varies test booster stacks though. Rebirth/Viron and Tripinol XP/Reversitol V2 combos come to mind.

Also Both Viron and HcGenerate increased my free T numbers while on TRT.
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just as I assumed ... that among these was the HCGenerate I was sure ...
 
storm 011 said:
just as I assumed ... that among these was the HCGenerate I was sure ...
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It's over priced and I don't buy it anymore, but I have to say it really helped me in the past. I bought a bunch of bottles of it some years back when it was 50% off or on bogo. I just can't justify to recommend it to people because of its ridiculous price tag.
 
ELROCK said:
It's over priced and I don't buy it anymore, but I have to say it really helped me in the past. I bought a bunch of bottles of it some years back when it was 50% off or on bogo. I just can't justify to recommend it to people because of its ridiculous price tag.
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Also I've used in the past, and a little later the ES version, even better !!
but I agree is very expensive !!!!
Now I can not wait to get my hands on the new DTH 128 tabs.
 
storm 011 said:
Also I've used in the past, and a little later the ES version, even better !!
but I agree is very expensive !!!!
Now I can not wait to get my hands on the new DTH 128 tabs.
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I have used the ES version a couple of times too. I didn't run bloods with it though, but I definitely felt all the positive effects.
 
For those that are stating that ~100 point increase is great for a test booster, it's understood that you can fluctuate this much in a day, right? And a good night or two of sleep can provide the same.

So, in my opinion, increases of 100-150pt of total test doesn't mean ****.
 
kisaj said:
For those that are stating that ~100 point increase is great for a test booster, it's understood that you can fluctuate this much in a day, right? And a good night or two of sleep can provide the same.

So, in my opinion, increases of 100-150pt of total test doesn't mean ****.
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Totaly agree
 
kisaj said:
For those that are stating that ~100 point increase is great for a test booster, it's understood that you can fluctuate this much in a day, right? And a good night or two of sleep can provide the same.

So, in my opinion, increases of 100-150pt of total test doesn't mean ****.
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Oh I agree with you on that. 50 to maybe even 100 points in TT is normal fluctuation in levels. It's just when your levels are sub par to begin with and you get a push of 150-250 points into "normal" levels their can be a big difference. Now for the majority of members here that small push will do really nothing for them because they are likely already in normal ranges. Another thing to not is when increasing free T can also make you feel infinitely better as I have seen increases of almost 50%. So, if I product came slightly improve your TT and free up you T at the same time then it can have value and actually can be called a "test booster".
 
rascal14 said:
Cheaper and more effective to Just run clomid for a month or two.
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Absolutely, if you can handle the emotional sides or if you are one of the lucky ones that don't get sides from Clomid. I have always felt like poop on Clomid even doses as low as 12.5 mg! Sucks because like you said its cheap and effective.
 
Yes, I would much prefer a boost in free test for mood, libido, and muscle building purposes over a small increase in total test. Keeping in mind that moving test levels into normal ranges and managing e2 levels is important to overall health.
 
ELROCK said:
Absolutely, if you can handle the emotional sides or if you are one of the lucky ones that don't get sides from Clomid. I have always felt like poop on Clomid even doses as low as 12.5 mg! Sucks because like you said its cheap and effective.
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I get terrible headaches from Clomid so it's no longer an option for me. Lol
 
SweetLou321 said:
You realize that depending on time of day that could have been a normal fluctuation? Same time of day would need to be have been done.
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Definitely, testing at the same time of day is key (morning would be best). I have seen a decent reduction in my test levels when I tested after work around 5 pm vs testing in the morning.
 
Brandinooooo said:
10am both times. Fasted all night, done by same doctor.

I get my blood tests done by my actual doctor. Not an internet one.
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My primary care doc does mine as well. She basically just asks me what I want tested on the bloodwork. She doesn't care how often I want them done or what I want tested.
 
ELROCK said:
My primary care doc does mine as well. She basically just asks me what I want tested on the bloodwork. She doesn't care how often I want them done or what I want tested.
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Shouldn't matter if you go to a good lab. LabCorp is used by a ton of doctors. They just happen to use a direct cash "buy what you like" business model where a lot of the other major labs out there just do business with doctors and every blood work done needs a prescription. The methods and lab being the same you are only missing out on the doc analysis on the numbers.

Which, to be honest, if it's inside of the range you don't really need them. If it's fubar then make an appointment.
 
ELROCK said:
My primary care doc does mine as well. She basically just asks me what I want tested on the bloodwork. She doesn't care how often I want them done or what I want tested.
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Nice. A lot of docs won't do them without a good reason nowadays. Which is dumb if you ask me.
 
Brandinooooo said:
Nice. A lot of docs won't do them without a good reason nowadays. Which is dumb if you ask me.
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Yep agreed. I feel like they go home, they look at their student loans, the malpractice rates going up, the dog pissed the carpet again and BLAM they just lose it. Next day they're in the office playing super brain and pretending they're the only ones that can have any knowledge about medicine, and the only ones that can have an opinion about your body! I try to stay away from that type of doctor but they're more and more common. I think now in medical school and continuing education they get drilled about self diagnosis (which is a problem for sure) and they take the attitude that says "I'll be the one suggesting treatments or tests OK thanks".
 
I see a lot of Could Be This, Could Be That, how about, It Could Just Plain Work !!!!
 
anyone else been fooled by blood test? I was on trt for over 7 years and had test level checked often...there were times when I felt really good and libido was kranking expecting test level to be really high0only to find out it was much lower than I had expected....on the other hand there were times when I felt really sluggish and libido was just not very high, only to find out that test level was much higher than I was expecting.

diesel products always make me feel good and I get motivated in both the gym and bedroom. if I get a verified increase in test level that is icing on the cake-what is more important to me at least is how I always seem to feel great when taking diesel stuff.
 
ELROCK said:
test boosters have brought my TT from 245 (around forget exact number) to 405
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160 points. Another honest (IMO) assessment. This is all bearing out what has been seen in the rare studies on the stuff that actually can help (ingredients, not name brand products) in actual people: A couple hundred points, and the deeper into hypogonadism you are, the better.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
160 points. Another honest (IMO) assessment. This is all bearing out what has been seen in the rare studies on the stuff that actually can help (ingredients, not name brand products) in actual people: A couple hundred points, and the deeper into hypogonadism you are, the better.
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Exactly! Those are honest levels and thats exactly what to expect of a test Booster when it comes to Testosterone elevation.

When it comes to "feel" there are many factors such as Stimulants, Adaptogens etc. Those ingredients will work thru different pathway and will bring energy,mood etc pretty fast. But it has nothing to do with increased T levels :)
 
Danes said:
Exactly! Those are honest levels and thats exactly what to expect of a test Booster when it comes to Testosterone elevation.

When it comes to "feel" there are many factors such as Stimulants, Adaptogens etc. Those ingredients will work thru different pathway and will bring energy,mood etc pretty fast. But it has nothing to do with increased T levels :)
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I'm going to make one with Beta-Alanine, Niacin, High Dose GABA, and DMAA - and direct them to take it on an empty stomach :D

"Can you feeeeeeel the Testosterone pumping! :D
 
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