Diesel Test while on TRT?

Spartacus717

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Im curious if anyone has experience or thoughts about combining Diesel Test Hardcore (or other variants) while on TRT? I dont need to raise my total test, but am trying to increase my free T. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
 
I have used it combined with HRT, I don't know that is raised my T Levels but it did raise my Libido !!
Chuck Diesel your thoughts ??
 
Increasing Free T usually involves doing something to SHBG. But SHBG also binds Estrogen, which I consider a good thing. Just "Moar T!" has an SHBG lowering effect. Are your Free T levels within range? Are you on an Rx AI to handle any excess E that may come about when messing with SHBG? Why not try some cheaper Stinging Nettle or bulk Long Jack first? Both have shown SHBG lowering potential (although you'd have to scour the data to see if it was in human male athletes).
 
Hey Rocket, thank you for the response. Higher libido sounds like a nice effect. As long as its not like the uncontrollable desire like what you get while going superman mode with the t lol. Although that is still pretty cool too even then. I feel like if libido is going up, drive in general is going up. Sounds good to me
 
Old_Guy thanks for taking an interest in trying to help me out. I really appreciate it. I need to get more labs done and get a closer look at a whole slew of things that the doc doesnt usually check for. One of them definitely being SHGB. Wondering if its going up as I get older. Free T is within range but half of what it was 5 years ago on a dose that would put total at 1000 consistently. I dont use an AI as I seem to not be as prone as some to estrogen sides. Thankfully, I havent had to deal with that too much. However, you bring up an interesting thought that has occurred to me before. I will have to do some more reseach on ai's and free t. I may just take you up on your suggestion of trying a single supp like stinging nettle root first and see what happens. It would be sweet if procycle could get a little natty test flowing more. I dont believe I am completely shut down oddly enough. No shrinkage and still have some LH and FSH production.
 
Spartacus717 said:
Hey Rocket, thank you for the response. Higher libido sounds like a nice effect. As long as its not like the uncontrollable desire like what you get while going superman mode with the t lol. Although that is still pretty cool too even then. I feel like if libido is going up, drive in general is going up. Sounds good to me
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You will want "It" everyday !!
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Increasing Free T usually involves doing something to SHBG. But SHBG also binds Estrogen, which I consider a good thing. Just "Moar T!" has an SHBG lowering effect. Are your Free T levels within range? Are you on an Rx AI to handle any excess E that may come about when messing with SHBG? Why not try some cheaper Stinging Nettle or bulk Long Jack first? Both have shown SHBG lowering potential (although you'd have to scour the data to see if it was in human male athletes).
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Doesnt have to just be in athletes. Its not really specific to performance, just lowered SHBG
 
Rocket, I should have clarified that question a bit. I was thinking motivation that isn't just sexual based lol. I have to talk a lot and fast while keeping my mental game super sharp to do what I do. Persuasion is a huge asset that I have to keep honed for my job. Sometimes its kind of exhausting and just have to remind myself that I have to
 
I am a pretty self motivated person, I would not say it was any better or worse
 
I appreciate your input. May just give the Diesel Test Pro a shot and see if it will bring free test up. It seems like I recall reading a thread about a guy who did something similar and his doc about crapped his pants when they drew blood haha we shall see
 
Spartacus717 said:
I appreciate your input. May just give the Diesel Test Pro a shot and see if it will bring free test up. It seems like I recall reading a thread about a guy who did something similar and his doc about crapped his pants when they drew blood haha we shall see
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I believe that was thebigt
 
Rocket3015 said:
I believe that was thebigt
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you rang?

I've ran diesel test pro several times..2-3 times while I was on trt and twice since I was taken off trt. I have good things to say about all of my runs of diesel test pro and definitely recommend it.
 
Spartacus717 said:
Im curious if anyone has experience or thoughts about combining Diesel Test Hardcore (or other variants) while on TRT? I dont need to raise my total test, but am trying to increase my free T. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
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I didnt read the rest of these but this is what I would do on TRT:

- E2X for sure.
- Hardcore or Procycle at very low doses. They will jack up ur test pretty high at regular dose on TRT.
- Something like Sunami for on cycle HTPA support, but this would work similar to DTH and DTP
except DTH and DTP has things for estrogen.
 
I'm on trt and have been taking 2-4 caps a day of dtv3. not sure on bloods but damn sure I get wood when I do and don't want lol
 
fame126 said:
I'm on trt and have been taking 2-4 caps a day of dtv3. not sure on bloods but damn sure I get wood when I do and don't want lol
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I been on 2am 2mid 3 preworkout. Wood def out of control but so is loads. Today was first workout but no upset stomach or anxiety with over 3 pills like v2.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
I been on 2am 2mid 3 preworkout. Wood def out of control but so is loads. Today was first workout but no upset stomach or anxiety with over 3 pills like v2.
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I never went over 5 of version 2, wow 7 pills!!!
 
thebigt said:
I never went over 5 of version 2, wow 7 pills!!!
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5 of v2 was a lot. Rem this one is 204 tabs a bottle. So its not pill for pill as strong as v2 but its a dif formula more like the 160 tab v1 formula. I think 7 of these would be on the "destroying the spouse" level for most. The nitric oxide pumps are very very good also. DTP V3 is going 2 do well
 
Chuck Diesel said:
5 of v2 was a lot. Rem this one is 204 tabs a bottle. So its not pill for pill as strong as v2 but its a dif formula more like the 160 tab v1 formula. I think 7 of these would be on the "destroying the spouse" level for most. The nitric oxide pumps are very very good also. DTP V3 is going 2 do well
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very nice!!!
 
UPDATE BLOOD WORK DONE...DOUBLED LEVELS!!!

So at 200mg test c per week my levels were 800ish ng/dl 2 days post injection and pre diesel test hardcore. I didnt change my test dose and only took 3 capsules of hardcore per day. After 1 month my Total test was <1500ng/dl and free test was elevated back into the anabolic range. This product works!
 
Seriously?
 
I actually don't believe I am shut down. Balls never shrunk on trt. In fact they have gotten bigger on diesel test. I believe this product definitely enhances efficacy of trt doses and could be good for preventing shut down. Ive been on 200mg/wk for 8 years. I didn't get FSH or LH tested but I truly believe my natty production got a bit of an awakening
 
doubling my test levels means that something made consistent 800 ng/dl levels at 200mg test per week increase to above 1500 ng/dl levels at 200mg test per week. Natty production kick I believe.
 
Spartacus717 said:
So at 200mg test c per week my levels were 800ish ng/dl 2 days post injection and pre diesel test hardcore. I didnt change my test dose and only took 3 capsules of hardcore per day. After 1 month my Total test was <1500ng/dl and free test was elevated back into the anabolic range. This product works!
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Is that 800 2days after first shot?
 
Spartacus717 said:
doubling my test levels means that something made consistent 800 ng/dl levels at 200mg test per week increase to above 1500 ng/dl levels at 200mg test per week. Natty production kick I believe.
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Ermmm
 
I could see Free T levels rising on Hardcore (with longjack and such in it) but why Total T?? I don't get it.
 
Ive only done one cycle, and that was when I first started trt roughly 8 years ago. For the remaining time, Ive never gone above 250mg per week and generally stay at 200mg even.
 
Hyde said:
I could see Free T levels rising on Hardcore (with longjack and such in it) but why Total T?? I don't get it.
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I really think that it is a matter of the boys getting some rattling around. I honestly dont think shutdown occurs completely until around the 300mg/wk range. Of course, individual differences are free to vary as many a research methods student knows
 
Chuck Diesel said:
I didnt read the rest of these but this is what I would do on TRT:

- E2X for sure.
- Hardcore or Procycle at very low doses. They will jack up ur test pretty high at regular dose on TRT.
- Something like Sunami for on cycle HTPA support, but this would work similar to DTH and DTP
except DTH and DTP has things for estrogen.
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Your e2x write up is wrong which means you didn't read the references you even quoted. Can't say I'd trust anything from a company that can't even read it's own resources. Then all the other stuff going on in here. Yikes.
 
Spartacus717 said:
I really think that it is a matter of the boys getting some rattling around. I honestly dont think shutdown occurs completely until around the 300mg/wk range. Of course, individual differences are free to vary as many a research methods student knows
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There could some truth to that. Fellow on here was taking very mild amounts of some 4andro and epiandro orals and after 7-8 weeks his test levels had actually risen from 400s to 600s (and epiandro converts to DHT only really so that wouldn't be showing in the total test levels) but LH was still humming along at something like 3.3. The minor amount of andro prohormones was increasing his levels but not really shutting him down. Furthermore estrogen wasn't rising. He had at least 3 blood draws to track trends if I recall.

That scenario is a far cry from 800 to 1500 though.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Why not? What lab did the testing? Got a .pdf or .jpg of the results?
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It would have cost more I believe. Im sure I can get the actual document and take a picture. The doc just called me and said they were extremely high lol. I asked him and he said <1500 and that labcorp doesnt measure above that.
 
thebigt said:
I never went over 5 of version 2, wow 7 pills!!!
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I think i was talking about v3 on here. Not sure. If so that was when I first started using it. I cut waaaay back to 2 a day of V2

V3 i think I started at 4/day and cut back to 1 dtp v3 AM with 2 dth. Same mid-day. Both doses w 2 nos precursor tabs.
 
Spartacus717 said:
I actually don't believe I am shut down. Balls never shrunk on trt. In fact they have gotten bigger on diesel test. I believe this product definitely enhances efficacy of trt doses and could be good for preventing shut down. Ive been on 200mg/wk for 8 years. I didn't get FSH or LH tested but I truly believe my natty production got a bit of an awakening
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You've been on exogenous test for 8 years, you are beyond shutdown. This product is not going to awaken natural production or do anything for test while you are on 200mg/wk testosterone- sorry, that just isn't happening.

How the hell is this not being called out? I know there are people on here that have even the smallest understanding of how the HPTA works.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Your e2x write up is wrong which means you didn't read the references you even quoted. Can't say I'd trust anything from a company that can't even read it's own resources. Then all the other stuff going on in here. Yikes.
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Man, thank you. I have always felt this way about Chuck's comments. It's mad scientist stuff.
 
kisaj said:
You've been on exogenous test for 8 years, you are beyond shutdown. This product is not going to awaken natural production or do anything for test while you are on 200mg/wk testosterone- sorry, that just isn't happening.

How the hell is this not being called out? I know there are people on here that have even the smallest understanding of how the HPTA works.
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Should I toss my new "diplomatic" track? :D I'm so with you my friend!
 
kisaj said:
You've been on exogenous test for 8 years, you are beyond shutdown. This product is not going to awaken natural production or do anything for test while you are on 200mg/wk testosterone- sorry, that just isn't happening.

How the hell is this not being called out? I know there are people on here that have even the smallest understanding of how the HPTA works.
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I actually wrote a long reply calling it out but my experience in this kind of threads is science and facts are irrelevant so
 
kisaj said:
You've been on exogenous test for 8 years, you are beyond shutdown. This product is not going to awaken natural production or do anything for test while you are on 200mg/wk testosterone- sorry, that just isn't happening.

How the hell is this not being called out? I know there are people on here that have even the smallest understanding of how the HPTA works.
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I think the issue is no one wants to put their teachers cap on and type a short essay to explain what is wrong with this picture. At least that's my reason for not going into it.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Your e2x write up is wrong which means you didn't read the references you even quoted. Can't say I'd trust anything from a company that can't even read it's own resources. Then all the other stuff going on in here. Yikes.
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Since you by passed this. I want to expand upon it. "The group that received the testosterone and the anti-aromatase showed significantly higher reductions in body fat, significantly less erectile dysfunction and higher sex drive (1)."

This is a direct quote from the e2x write up.

Now if you view the study. (Not the study but this was his reference, idk if anyone else thinks it's odd he choose to use the NBC write up on a study instead of the abstract is available)

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It clear states the opposite.

Also that write up is not dshea friendly but oh well.
 
Spartacus717 said:
I appreciate your input. May just give the Diesel Test Pro a shot and see if it will bring free test up. It seems like I recall reading a thread about a guy who did something similar and his doc about crapped his pants when they drew blood haha we shall see
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Thoight this was to do with a different product (an AI) if we're talking about the same guy? Or maybe this guy just likes to make his doc crap his pants!
 
SweetLou321 said:
Since you by passed this. I want to expand upon it. "The group that received the testosterone and the anti-aromatase showed significantly higher reductions in body fat, significantly less erectile dysfunction and higher sex drive (1)."

This is a direct quote from the e2x write up.

Now if you view the study. (Not the study but this was his reference, idk if anyone else thinks it's odd he choose to use the NBC write up on a study instead of the abstract is available)

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It clear states the opposite.

Also that write up is not dshea friendly but oh well.
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LOL, right on man... I literally just mentioned that study in another thread before reading your post. Great minds... :D BTW, I just heard it from Carl Lanore on Super Human Radio, so I didn't actually read the whole thing, so thanks for the link.
 
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