Dienogen - DIENOLONE TD (50mg per ml) by Apex-Alchemy
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sinewave3
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Awesome! How are people dosing/running this?
xR1pp3Rx
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I would say starting at 50 mgs per day you can reap its rewards especially if your looking to use it for cutting.. If you want the mass and the strength you got to up your game. That said, i get really high bP on high doses of this stuff. you will want to make sure and take all the proper ancilleries should you decide to run it high.. and yes it most certainly can be magical~
Rad83
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Whats the likelihood of gyno symptoms from this baybay ?
nostrum420
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The Dienolone-acetate is more soluble and doesn't require the more expensive carrier. Glad you liked it, though. It was a PITA to develop.
nostrum420
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This what I was thinking. Lipids too.
Punyguy
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Yes, that’s one of the big concerns. I think I saw you said your bp goes up when you get to 100mg. I’m thinking of starting at 75mg until I finish the oral then upping it as long as my bp is in check.
Punyguy
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Oh yeah, I expect hdl to tank and ldl to spike. I plan to get them checked at the 6 week mark. Then when I’m done as well. They know me by name at LabCorp since I go so often, a little obsessive monitoring bloodwork.
nostrum420
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Hawthorne berry and cialis are both great for BP control. HB every day and cialis to prevent or treat BP spikes and/or headaches.
Punyguy
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I already take low dose daily cialis for the health benefits. How much Hawthorne berry would you recommend?
nostrum420
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Punyguy
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You're probably fine, then. And me too, bro... for the "health benefits."
Right, I wondered if anyone would pickup on that LMAO. Sounds good then thanks
nostrum420
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Last few days of BOGO!
nostrum420
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I don't know if it's just because you guys are too polite to say anything but I've never had a Canadian customer tell me their package didn't get to them, so far. That being said, a mountie's gonna do what a mountie's gonna do nomsayin'?
xR1pp3Rx
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Last day to capitalize !! make it happen capin!
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Bummer was looking at Liquidien on Predator and looking for a TD dienolone alternative...when this go on sale next?
xR1pp3Rx
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im not sure but i will totally keep you posted!
xR1pp3Rx
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i like the upper body usual suspects... shoulders, inner upper arms, upper chest. but i have also used top of feet, inner thigh, armpit, and bawls(don't).
dacookiemonster
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It's interesting. Dienolone is sort of cousins to my second favorite compound ever in Dienazone. I'm not sure how different they are.
I'd imagine Ripper is right and 100-150 it's a nice compound. I generally ran Dienazone beteween 2-2.5 ml a day for my sweet spot that felt awful damn close to taking actual Tren.
Running Dien at 100-150 didn't have that same kind of kick to me but I believe it would have at 2-2.5ml depending on the mg/ml dosage.
I'd imagine Ripper is right and 100-150 it's a nice compound. I generally ran Dienazone beteween 2-2.5 ml a day for my sweet spot that felt awful damn close to taking actual Tren.
Running Dien at 100-150 didn't have that same kind of kick to me but I believe it would have at 2-2.5ml depending on the mg/ml dosage.
dacookiemonster
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Just to add onto this I found the MG/ML dosage of Dienazone it was 75mg/ml.
Running it at around 2-2.5 (I think 2.5 is when I went full alpha) you'd be talking about 187.5g a day. Multiple that by 7 days a week and you're talking 1.312.5mg a week. Let's assume the ol' 30-35% absorption and you're around 426mg a week of Dien which isn't completely far off from a Tren cycle.
Moving on this I think it could be fairly similar. The biggest issue for me was it only holds 50mg/ml. So I'd be pushing nearly 4ml a day of this to get to the 187g a day of it. 4ml is feasible but a pain.. But if you're running another TD with it? Not really so much anymore.
I'm sure both would hold up to 100mg/ml (I've made about 6 transdermals that all did). But there was some thought that even if it held you could oversaturate the skin surface so 75 seems like a nice middle point. I thought I didn't see declining results from pushing to 100 but it's not like I have bloods to prove that.
I know price point is a big issue with many but I'm personally just about getting bang for the buck and having a "prohormone" out there that provide some of the extra punch some old school ones did. I'd rather see the price just get raised to offset the difference in the amount of powder used.
I'd think this would actually decrease overhead too. Less transdermal liquid per MG, less labels, less droppers, less bottles.
Having run both TrenE/Ace and Dienazone at the dosage I mentioned I enjoyed Dienazone more and the leaning effects for me were just as impressive. Another friend felt the same way who has sampled all 3 (Dienazone back in its day then later both types of Tren).
I still had alpha/edge but mainly in the gym and no night sweats an insomnia.
Running it at around 2-2.5 (I think 2.5 is when I went full alpha) you'd be talking about 187.5g a day. Multiple that by 7 days a week and you're talking 1.312.5mg a week. Let's assume the ol' 30-35% absorption and you're around 426mg a week of Dien which isn't completely far off from a Tren cycle.
Moving on this I think it could be fairly similar. The biggest issue for me was it only holds 50mg/ml. So I'd be pushing nearly 4ml a day of this to get to the 187g a day of it. 4ml is feasible but a pain.. But if you're running another TD with it? Not really so much anymore.
I'm sure both would hold up to 100mg/ml (I've made about 6 transdermals that all did). But there was some thought that even if it held you could oversaturate the skin surface so 75 seems like a nice middle point. I thought I didn't see declining results from pushing to 100 but it's not like I have bloods to prove that.
I know price point is a big issue with many but I'm personally just about getting bang for the buck and having a "prohormone" out there that provide some of the extra punch some old school ones did. I'd rather see the price just get raised to offset the difference in the amount of powder used.
I'd think this would actually decrease overhead too. Less transdermal liquid per MG, less labels, less droppers, less bottles.
Having run both TrenE/Ace and Dienazone at the dosage I mentioned I enjoyed Dienazone more and the leaning effects for me were just as impressive. Another friend felt the same way who has sampled all 3 (Dienazone back in its day then later both types of Tren).
I still had alpha/edge but mainly in the gym and no night sweats an insomnia.
nostrum420
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Unfortunately, you're in the minority; for most people, a $90 price point is a deal breaker. The raws are the lions share of the overhead so 1.5x the dose is gonna be about 1.5x the price...
Also, wasn't Dienazone the PH to dien? If so, 50mg of Dien may be comparable or even more effective than 75 mg of the PH.
CasperKValentine
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Same compound bro. Dienazone was just their trademark name for their Dienolone compound. Actually started as Trenazone but then they changed name to Deinazone. I think when they called in Trenazone people were getting in confused with the Trenevar product. Are you running the Apex prodcut called Dienogen. That could be the reason you probably had better results with Deinazone at 2-2.5 ml. The Dienazone was 75mg/ml and the Dienogen is 50ml/mg.
In my opinion, Dienolone is the best widely available compound still out there. I buy more to add to my stock everytime Apex has a BOGO!
dacookiemonster
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I don't believe you're right here. It used to be easier to find the chemical nomenclatures but I don't believe Dienazone is actually the same compound as Nostrum's and it might be actually one step further away.
dacookiemonster
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Unfortunately, you're in the minority; for most people, a $90 price point is a deal breaker. The raws are the lions share of the overhead so 1.5x the dose is gonna be about 1.5x the price...
Also, wasn't Dienazone the PH to dien? If so, 50mg of Dien may be comparable or even more effective than 75 mg of the PH.
Your BOGO sales seems to be where your product flies off the table. BOGO $90 of Dienolone (two bottles for $45 apiece) and I'd be picking up a lot. I've gotten quite a few raws priced (god knows which company actually has the real ones that's fun) and I realize you produce your own TD solutions in bulk by yourself (instead of relying on somebody like me) and you likely purchase in bulk on bottles/droppers/labels and have all that figured out but for me raws was about half the equation in my cost.
And if a .75mg increase to a bottle equates to a $30 increase you are apparently paying more than for trest raws.
Like I said just my 2 cents on what could be one of the most powerful compounds on the market today but most people won't exceed 2 ml of just about anything on their body anymore. My opinion matters little.
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CasperKValentine
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Google 'Dienolone'. There is no conversion needed. Maybe wise not to talk about it anymore. LOL! Good luck with you cycle brother!
dacookiemonster
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I've watched chemists disagree in threads for a couple years on this so I'll pass on the "just google it the interwebz gets everything right" take.
"Estra-4,9-diene-17b-ol-3-one is commonly referred to as dienolone. It's precursor is estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, commonly (if incorrectly) referred to as "tren".
Dienazone is the precursor to Dienolone. They aren't the same.
CasperKValentine
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Oh I totally agree with where you are coming from by the "web gets everything right" comment. And the Dienazone isn't available anymore so it a moot point anyway. However, the Apex Alchemy Dienogen literally says on the label that it's 50mg of Dienolone. I'm by no means trying to aruge just really curious to have it straight. Maybe one of the Apex reps can chime in to clarify.
CasperKValentine
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Ahhh just a couple of us meatheads trying to get our info straight. It's all good man.
dacookiemonster
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The last post in the topic was in August. I think any conversation about it is better than zero conversation.
dacookiemonster
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Damn straight. Lol. Like I said it's either the pre or it's the same compound either/or it's a hell of a compound if dosed high enough on par with Tren itself. I actually sold Dienazone (and mithras and... the 3rd escapes me) back when Antaeus Labs first split off to Iron Legion before those reps sold it.
When a guy sees you before and after running one compound with those kind of gains it was pretty easy to flip it for a margin and while I was getting bulk margins I certainly wasn't getting wholesale.
The only reason I chimed in on this is I think it has the potential to be one of the few remaining hardcore game changers but I don't see most people dosing it for that. Maybe most people aren't looking for that? I have no idea. But I'd like to see someone run this at around the 190mg a day dose and see what they think.
Another interesting tidbit about Dienazone (and likely Dienolone) and Trenbolone.. Of the mechanisms in which it leaned people out was because upon ingesting carbs the body heats itself up and burns them up. Interestingly when a friend of mine with diabetes ran a Dienazone cycle he much MUCH more seldom had to do an insulin shot. "the more you know".
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