Dien ace and cardio?

[chaz]

Does anyone with experience with dien ace -oil- experience the cardio crippling effects that one would get with tren ace or even high dosed trenavar? I've ran a number of cycles with TD dien and dont remember having an issue with cardio, i wonder if the oil would be any different. I'm getting ready for an aggressive mini cut and am running a number of things to include: trt test, cardarine, t3/t4, cjc/ipam, possibly low dose jintropin, and epistane @ 60mg.

I was wanting to originally run some trenavar at 120-150 per day but I'm trying to get my actual conditioning performance back up. After the mini cut I plan on going into a conditioning phase just working on overall cardio and conditioning. I have some dien oil that I was going to run in lieu of the tren. Or considering my goals, would there be a better option? DTA possibly? Thanks!

 

[chaz]

Oh, and has anyone ran AICAR? Was interested in this on both the fat loss and conditioning/endurance aspect.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

hey Chaz I am going out side the box here. Apex actually makes TD dien and I have a lot of experience with it.. not oil. however, I dont see those problems as with tren. (topically anyhow).. our new product Ursamajor is an ursolic acid product you use topically. People across the board have mentioned the profound effects it has on endurance and cardio performance and fatloss. perhaps you should check out some of the logs, here on the AM.
another thing worth mentioning, is AET-50 which has a strong effect on fatloss, and improves immunity.

my line of thinking, would be to use the Dien at a low dose, to utterly capitalize on its unique fatloss and muscle sparing effects.
introduce the AET & Ursa to further your fatloss and cardio needs.

 

[chaz]

Thanks ripp3r yes I have some of that same brand, old product line, synergy with dien and 6 bromo. I was going to run that as well. I'm very interested in the AET, I've always wanted to run it but havent done so yet. Would that be better used in the pure conditioning cycle or ran throughout both phases?

 

[Hyde]

Using dien e oil at 500/wk along with 210 test e/wk the last 8 weeks.

No loss in cardiovascular performance. I do use 10mg Cardarine pretraining the last few weeks but it wasn’t an issue before using it either; the GW was just to allow intensification of total volume in training.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

do to the fact it helps you loose fat and boost your immune system... it seems like a no brainer. even during a bulking cycle it would be a good idea.

 

[UNX]

I've use TD dienolone for cutting (can't get oils where I live) and had no issues with cardio. In fact, I find dienolone more side-free than even nandrolone.

 

[Hyde]

I've use TD dienolone for cutting (can't get oils where I live) and had no issues with cardio. In fact, I find dienolone more side-free than even nandrolone.

I’m on half a gram a week and it’s been a peach. My hair isn’t shedding at all, acne is very minimal for me (I get some any cycle and in PCT), no obvious lethargy beyond what my diet would cause. Honestly besides needing Caber about every 5 days to keep my prolactin & bp healthy it’s basically no effort.

 

[UNX]

I’m on half a gram a week and it’s been a peach. My hair isn’t shedding at all, acne is very minimal for me (I get some any cycle and in PCT), no obvious lethargy beyond what my diet would cause. Honestly besides needing Caber about every 5 days to keep my prolactin & bp healthy it’s basically no effort.

If I could, I'll get some oil and try it for cutting. I know tren will hit me hard.

 

[Hyde]

If I could, I'll get some oil and try it for cutting. I know tren will hit me hard.

I took Tvar for 8 weeks at 120-180mg (210mg the final week) and it was super harsh on cardio. I would get out of breath getting into bed by the end of it, tren breathing like a hog. It was just awful for capacity, and incredible for maximal strength.

 

[chaz]

Hyde how are you splitting that up? Daily or eod? I was originally going to run tvar like you did in the past but like I said im looking to improve conditioning and athleticism in addition to the fat loss, muscle preservation/gain. I was thinking 75mg per day, bit i thought about 100. Also this will be relatively short, an aggressive mini cut. I've maintained my bodyweight and fat for the most part since last cut and have gotten a little out of the zone. I'd like to push it a little past where my last cut ended.

I've usually ran TD from 100-150 a day with great results and no I'll effects on my cardio as compared to tren and tvar. I'll be running other things as well so maybe no need to bump it that high. I may give ursolic acid a try as well, but has anyone tried AICAR. I'm interested in this. Theres a brand that Carrie's a product that is aicar, GW, and sr9009. Kind if expensive and I've seen aicar available at a few diff pep vendors. I've seen some articles calling the trio the new EPO and what elite endurance athletes are using.

 

[Hyde]

Hyde how are you splitting that up? Daily or eod? I was originally going to run tvar like you did in the past but like I said im looking to improve conditioning and athleticism in addition to the fat loss, muscle preservation/gain. I was thinking 75mg per day, bit i thought about 100. Also this will be relatively short, an aggressive mini cut. I've maintained my bodyweight and fat for the most part since last cut and have gotten a little out of the zone. I'd like to push it a little past where my last cut ended.

I've usually ran TD from 100-150 a day with great results and no I'll effects on my cardio as compared to tren and tvar. I'll be running other things as well so maybe no need to bump it that high. I may give ursolic acid a try as well, but has anyone tried AICAR. I'm interested in this. Theres a brand that Carrie's a product that is aicar, GW, and sr9009. Kind if expensive and I've seen aicar available at a few diff pep vendors. I've seen some articles calling the trio the new EPO and what elite endurance athletes are using.

Since my dien oil is enanthate I pin it twice a week with my test e base. If I had ace I would be doing eod shots max, although probably daily to minimize sides/rollercoaster ride.

I use 10mg GW pretraining or cardio daily right now the last 8 weeks of this cut. I am not really comfortable taking more or for much longer at a time. It absolutely helps endurance and is dirt cheap at that dose.

Apex Alchemy’s Ursa Major at 2ML per day 100% helped increase my work output/conditioning getting ready for a strongman show earlier this fall. Obviously I was trying to raise conditioning but it really seemed to help, and it’s good for your health actually. It’s on BOGO right now at Apex for a couple more days.

Increasing RBC with something like EQ or Anadrol will directly improve blood oxygenation (and risk of stroke, same as EPO). Anadrol will probably hinder immediate cardio performance, but could set you up for the next conditioning block after you stop it. EQ takes forever so that’s only an option if you cruise basically. I mean you could pin it for a few weeks and let it clear the next 5 before PCT I suppose, but the buildup of the RBC takes time that you’re probably not getting to any significant degree doing that.

So if you were considering any kind of oral, a little bit of Anadrol (50mg maybe 4-5 days a week) could make sense with your periodization. It will keep actual lbs on the scale for the moment, but you’d still be losing fat, and that water weight would come off after. And it may curb hunger, and keep strength up. I’ve never used it; I am just spitballing ideas here lol.